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Tylluan
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Let me be clear Nev, I also think it's time that Chansiri cut his losses and got out. But banners aren't going to make him sell. Signatures on an online form aren't going to make him sell. Hashtags ar

Andyben
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Tylluan Andrew Wilson

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He hasn't said in his self arsed statement with the Hillsborough back drop. 

Probably rock up as the pigs new press officer 

Or Hargreaves publicist and ghost writer

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Hirstys 12th Pint David Hirst

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3 minutes ago, Alan Finney said:

Well, is there no end to the good news coming out of Hillsborough. What with the recent news of the training facilities being upgraded we now have word of DC trying already to extend DR's contract.

https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/new-danny-rohl-contract-part-of-sheffield-wednesdays-future-plans-4620144

As far as further investment in the club infrastructure and team goes, maybe DC has some funds and wiggle room, could it be he was just waiting for the right manager to come along pripor to splashing anymore cash.

I have seen SM posts where some pigs are praying somebody comes and snatches DR away and that is testament to how our future is looking under the partnership of DC and DR. Slowly but surely the critics will evaporate.

Hopefully this will put Rob Staton and his little snippets of unsettling sound bites back in their box.

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Reesh Andrew Wilson

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4 minutes ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said:

Hopefully this will put Rob Staton and his little snippets of unsettling sound bites back in their box.

He's been at it again today.

bradowl John Sheridan

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8 minutes ago, JBO said:

Some ridiculous shit stirring from Staton on RS right now. The club is in "chaos" again apparently 

I listened to phone in a couple of times last week and some of stuff they were coming out with was pathetic, all they wanted to do was read out via emails and messages everything negative about club, I'm certain that some of stuff sent in is not from Wednesday fans, I think Staton and his gang know this but still make out its from Wednesday fans to stir things, they are hitching for Rohl to leave so they can have hours of calls from unhappy supporters slagging Chansiri off. 

I think Chansiri is there problem because he won't entertain any of them with interviews. 

 

Now when it comes down to Wilder they make out he's some hero and every thing is going to be fine at S2, they keep going on about him taking them up last time from league one to Premier league but they hardly mention his failures at Boro and Watford and how crap Utd have been this season under him. 

 

Next love is going to be Steve Evans because he's always up for interviews with them and loves a good joke, they ignore what he got up too at previous clubs he's managed. 

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bradowl John Sheridan

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2 minutes ago, Andyben said:

Donny Rovers?

I wanted them to win other night but I did find it quite funny when they lost. Fans were making out after 2-0 win at Crewe as though it was all done and they were a league one team, they sounded as though they had watched a Real Madrid performance at Crewe. 

JBO John Sheridan

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13 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

Eh.  How is it in chaos?

Rohl didn't sign a 37 year contract within 25 seconds of the final whistle at Sunderland.  A clear sign he's leaving 

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bradowl John Sheridan

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Rohl is taking his time on announcement of retained list of players who's being offered deals and those who can leave.

He will want to speak to the players first. 

RUFC announced there's straight away last week with lot of em leaving who were out of contract, Evans probably told players straight away after final whistle v Cardiff. 

I'm sure Star and radio Sheffield would prefer to be told first before players. 

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Tewksbury Ron Springett

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Rohl said in an interview at some point that who got released was based on who he could get in to replace them.

The funny thing is, they'll be ecstatic if we retain loads of players, but retaining too many will be a sign for concern because Röhl doesn't think he can replace them.

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bazapeps John Harkes

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15 hours ago, Tewksbury said:

Rohl said in an interview at some point that who got released was based on who he could get in to replace them.

The funny thing is, they'll be ecstatic if we retain loads of players, but retaining too many will be a sign for concern because Röhl doesn't think he can replace them.

the usual telling people what they think 

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Teddy Nickelarse Chris Waddle

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My guesses - Likely that Bakinson, Fletcher, Hendrick, Dawson, Brennan, Momo, Pederson, Gregory and Byers will be the definite leavers with their contracts/loans expiring. Smith might attract interest and be allowed to leave. Maybe even Ihekwei too. James might be easier to move on as I doubt that his wages will be as big an obstacle as the other two.

Iorfa, Palmer, Bannan, Windass, Vaulks and Bernard I reckon will be offered new deals though how many agree to stay on the terms offered will be interesting. Proven solid Championship performers.   As with Luongo a couple if season's ago I expect that there will be deadlines to facilitate  finding replacements where required. 

I think the club has a one year option on Paterson, whether it's taken up may depend on how high the wages obligation is. 

It's going to be a busy summer!

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Tewksbury Ron Springett

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5 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

the usual telling people what they think 

This is about the Star.

Who are banging on like mad about the amount of players leaving, so to assume that they'll be ecstatic if a lot of them stay, especially the likes of Windass, Bannan and Palmer, isn't much of a stretch.

So where, again, am I telling anyone what to think?

I am making a point that a big clear out, based on Röhl's comments, will indicate that Röhl has the confidence to replace them with upgrades, a big retained list indicates the opposite. 

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Teddy Nickelarse Chris Waddle

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18 minutes ago, Tewksbury said:

This is about the Star.

Who are banging on like mad about the amount of players leaving, so to assume that they'll be ecstatic if a lot of them stay, especially the likes of Windass, Bannan and Palmer, isn't much of a stretch.

So where, again, am I telling anyone what to think?

I am making a point that a big clear out, based on Röhl's comments, will indicate that Röhl has the confidence to replace them with upgrades, a big retained list indicates the opposite. 

Personally thank that this is simplistic - apologies.

Just with players that we pretty much know will be leaving at the end of their agreements there'll be a need to recruit 9 or 10 - a big task already.  In reality there may be a couple more with contracted players- on big wages - not getting much game time under Röhl who he'd  likely prefer to move on.

Offering fresh terms to players that Röhl  clearly values would IMO just indicate a prudent evolution.

 

 

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Tewksbury Ron Springett

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3 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said:

Personally thank that this is simplistic - apologies.

Just with players that we pretty much know will be leaving at the end of their agreements there'll be a need to recruit 9 or 10 - a big task already.  In reality there may be a couple more with contracted players not getting much game time under Röhl who he'd  likely prefer to move on.

Offering fresh terms to players that Röhl  clearly values would IMO just indicate a prudent evolution.

 

 

Is it?

 

Does Röhl clearly value, or is he making do? We're playing the way our squad dictates.

He's on record as saying he wants to play with 2 x 6s.

He wants to play a back 4.

When we've tried it, it's been a disaster, due to not having the players to fit it.

Bannan stops the midfield 2 working, it's why we have Baz and Vaulks, with Palmer floating between defence and mid. Half of our setup is covering for Bannan. But he doesn't warrant it anymore.

We have no decent LB, so wingbacks it is. If Pederson had been fit, James better, or we had signed Schultz, we'd be playing a back 4 and Johnson wouldn't get a look in.

Chansiri seems to have a very "got one at home" type of man.

So if we already have players for these positions, is he going to fund more or tell Röhl to work with what we have?

Everybody bangs on about Ipswich, but their system is based on having a system, then recruiting to fill it.

We do the opposite and if we want to move forward and see what Röhl can really do, then we need to cut nearly all the long standing players loose.

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Andyben Andrew Wilson

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This transfer window / closed season period  will be very illuminating and bring a few surprises regarding the new squad.

I'd be signing Schulz if it was me and that will be the only thing the Nevs will be able to moan about.

Watch this space

Teddy Nickelarse Chris Waddle

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1 minute ago, Tewksbury said:

Is it?

 

Does Röhl clearly value, or is he making do? We're playing the way our squad dictates.

He's on record as saying he wants to play with 2 x 6s.

He wants to play a back 4.

When we've tried it, it's been a disaster, due to not having the players to fit it.

Bannan stops the midfield 2 working, it's why we have Baz and Vaulks, with Palmer floating between defence and mid. Half of our setup is covering for Bannan. But he doesn't warrant it anymore.

We have no decent LB, so wingbacks it is. If Pederson had been fit, James better, or we had signed Schultz, we'd be playing a back 4 and Johnson wouldn't get a look in.

Chansiri seems to have a very "got one at home" type of man.

So if we already have players for these positions, is he going to fund more or tell Röhl to work with what we have?

Everybody bangs on about Ipswich, but their system is based on having a system, then recruiting to fill it.

We do the opposite and if we want to move forward and see what Röhl can really do, then we need to cut nearly all the long standing players loose.

It will evolve dramatically over the next two summers with tweaks in January. With the raft of new players that we already know will need to come in we'll need solid players like Bannan, Vaulks, Palmer etc to help with the evolution though they may not be automatic first choices. I suspect that Röhl values them more than you do which is why I am co fident that they'll  be offered fresh terms - commensurate with their ages and value. We'll  know soon enough.

 

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Tewksbury Ron Springett

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21 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said:

It will evolve dramatically over the next two summers with tweaks in January. With the raft of new players that we already know will need to come in we'll need solid players like Bannan, Vaulks, Palmer etc to help with the evolution though they may not be automatic first choices. I suspect that Röhl values them more than you do which is why I am co fident that they'll  be offered fresh terms - commensurate with their ages and value. We'll  know soon enough.

 

See, I'm not sure how much influence Röhl has on Barry staying.

BB has said that Chansiri has said that as long as he has legs, he has a contract. Barry also believes that he's too good for L1, so I can't see him accepting a supporting role, and he has enough influence in the dressing room and at the club to fuck us if he throws his teddy out.

Look at the Boro game. "It's hard to captain when you don't know if you have a contract". The only players really affected in that game were the ones mentioned above.

Also, on a personal note, the fact that he would leave if we went down, means all loyalty is now gone, offer him a contract, but offer him a low one and see how much interest he gets. I'll bet it's nowhere near what he thinks.

We're where we are due to keeping overpaid players well past time, and now it's time for the current crop.

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Teddy Nickelarse Chris Waddle

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26 minutes ago, Tewksbury said:

See, I'm not sure how much influence Röhl has on Barry staying.

BB has said that Chansiri has said that as long as he has legs, he has a contract. Barry also believes that he's too good for L1, so I can't see him accepting a supporting role, and he has enough influence in the dressing room and at the club to fuck us if he throws his teddy out.

Look at the Boro game. "It's hard to captain when you don't know if you have a contract". The only players really affected in that game were the ones mentioned above.

Also, on a personal note, the fact that he would leave if we went down, means all loyalty is now gone, offer him a contract, but offer him a low one and see how much interest he gets. I'll bet it's nowhere near what he thinks.

We're where we are due to keeping overpaid players well past time, and now it's time for the current crop.

I think it fair to say that our opinions on Bannan are irreconcilably different.

I agree with the bit in bold and have stated that whilst I expect contracts to be offered to Bannan, Palmer, Vaulks and Windass the length of term and remuneration must be appropriate. The way the wage bill has contracted in the last couple of years suggests that lessons have been learned.  They may decline terms offered. I suspect that Danny is pragmatic as well as being a very talented manager/coach and that we'll see that evidenced when the retained list is announced. 

On a tangent I think that we'll  soon hear confirmation that DR will be the one leading us forward. 

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Tewksbury Ron Springett

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8 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said:

I think it fair to say that our opinions on Bannan are irreconcilably different.

I agree with the bit in bold and have stated that whilst I expect contracts to be offered to Bannan, Palmer, Vaulks and Windass the length of term and remuneration must be appropriate. The way the wage bill has contracted in the last couple of years suggests that lessons have been learned.  They may decline terms offered. I suspect that Danny is pragmatic as well as being a very talented manager/coach and that we'll see that evidenced when the retained list is announced. 

On a tangent I think that we'll  soon hear confirmation that DR will be the one leading us forward. 

Bannan is living off the past.

It's a different game where teamwork, physicality and discipline win games.

Yes, he can find a pass, but these days so can most midfielders, he's nothing special anymore. Definitely not special enough to have your whole team based on him, which is the only reason he's still relevant.

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Teddy Nickelarse Chris Waddle

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1 minute ago, Tewksbury said:

Bannan is living off the past.

It's a different game where teamwork, physicality and discipline win games.

Yes, he can find a pass, but these days so can most midfielders, he's nothing special anymore. Definitely not special enough to have your whole team based on him, which is the only reason he's still relevant.

I expect him to be offered terms. I don’t  for one nano second expect Danny to base the whole team around him. 

EastCraigsOwl John Sheridan

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34 minutes ago, Tewksbury said:

BB has said that Chansiri has said that as long as he has legs, he has a contract. Barry also believes that he's too good for L1, so I can't see him accepting a supporting role, and he has enough influence in the dressing room and at the club to fuck us if he throws his teddy out.

Look at the Boro game. "It's hard to captain when you don't know if you have a contract". The only players really affected in that game were the ones mentioned above.

Scenario:

Bannan gets informed he's not getting a new contract. Let's say he then storms into a Teams chat saying, "aw tae fuck, man, that Gerry **** hasnae offered me a new deal. Whey the fuck diz he think he is? Ahm no happy. Efter ivrythin ah've done for this club. Fuckin' erse. Am fuckin' gutted, so ah am. Time tae cause some bother lads. Are ye all in?"

If you're a current player who DR has offered a new deal, what do you do?

a - sign the contract, join forces with Bazza and disrupt for a couple of weeks before being shown the door for gross misconduct (or, more likely, left to rot in the reserves for 2 / 3 years); or

b - appreciate that your manager rates you enough and wants you to be part of his plans. Tough shit Baz, that's football mate.

9 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said:

On a tangent I think that we'll  soon hear confirmation that DR will be the one leading us forward. 

Why would we require to have that confirmed if he's under contract?

He's pretty much here until he leaves. There's nothing to confirm.

Tewksbury Ron Springett

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6 minutes ago, EastCraigsOwl said:

Scenario:

Bannan gets informed he's not getting a new contract. Let's say he then storms into a Teams chat saying, "aw tae fuck, man, that Gerry **** hasnae offered me a new deal. Whey the fuck diz he think he is? Ahm no happy. Efter ivrythin ah've done for this club. Fuckin' erse. Am fuckin' gutted, so ah am. Time tae cause some bother lads. Are ye all in?"

If you're a current player who DR has offered a new deal, what do you do?

a - sign the contract, join forces with Bazza and disrupt for a couple of weeks before being shown the door for gross misconduct (or, more likely, left to rot in the reserves for 2 / 3 years); or

b - appreciate that your manager rates you enough and wants you to be part of his plans. Tough shit Baz, that's football mate.

Why would we require to have that confirmed if he's under contract?

He's pretty much here until he leaves. There's nothing to confirm.

Has anyone thought that the reason they haven't offered contracts is to avoid this exact situation?

Teddy Nickelarse Chris Waddle

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2 minutes ago, EastCraigsOwl said:

Scenario:

Bannan gets informed he's not getting a new contract. Let's say he then storms into a Teams chat saying, "aw tae fuck, man, that Gerry **** hasnae offered me a new deal. Whey the fuck diz he think he is? Ahm no happy. Efter ivrythin ah've done for this club. Fuckin' erse. Am fuckin' gutted, so ah am. Time tae cause some bother lads. Are ye all in?"

If you're a current player who DR has offered a new deal, what do you do?

a - sign the contract, join forces with Bazza and disrupt for a couple of weeks before being shown the door for gross misconduct (or, more likely, left to rot in the reserves for 2 / 3 years); or

b - appreciate that your manager rates you enough and wants you to be part of his plans. Tough shit Baz, that's football mate.

Why would we require to have that confirmed if he's under contract?

He's pretty much here until he leaves. There's nothing to confirm.

I don't require confirmation. Some evidently do especially the anti DC brigade. Just thought I'd add a bit of a positive that's all. Just something I heard from a good source. Any confirmation would likely be in the form of extended contract announcement or merely him returning from his break and getting stuck into next season's preparations 

 

Tewksbury Ron Springett

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23 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said:

I expect him to be offered terms. I don’t  for one nano second expect Danny to base the whole team around him. 

Of Bannan starts, Röhl will have to.

Tewksbury Ron Springett

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36 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said:

Don't agree but what I've learned is that once opinions on players has been formed no persuasion to the contrary is ever effective. Agree to differ. 

Do you believe that Bannan can play in a standard 2 man midfield?

Otto_Man David Hirst

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58 minutes ago, Tewksbury said:

Bannan is living off the past.

It's a different game where teamwork, physicality and discipline win games.

Yes, he can find a pass, but these days so can most midfielders, he's nothing special anymore. Definitely not special enough to have your whole team based on him, which is the only reason he's still relevant.

Whilst I wholeheartedly agree, there's large sections of our support clearly don't. Bannan has won numerous player of the season awards from various subsections of the fanbase (London Owls, "Wise" Old Owls etc.)

Teddy Nickelarse Chris Waddle

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11 minutes ago, Tewksbury said:

Do you believe that Bannan can play in a standard 2 man midfield?

For Danny to decide how to employ him; in the team, the squad, off the bench or whatever.

We're  heading for a circular argument  though. Agree to differ on what he offers.

Tewksbury Ron Springett

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5 minutes ago, Alan Finney said:

I agree with you  Teddy. Way too big a job to do all at once. What is it? Around 20 players contracted or loans that could potentially leave? Massive task to do at one hit with possibly catastrophic consequences, just too many new arrivals that just don't know each other and have to be inducted. Got Xisco written all over it.

Makes sense to retain a nucleus of some of the players that are coming out of contract.

Just hope we avoid what seemed to be panic signings just to fill holes like we appear to have done previously.

 

The loans have to go back anyway.

Most of the others aren't regulars and those that are are over 30.

Get rid, clean slate. There are enough players still under contract to provide continuity and those are the players we should be building round, not artificially extending the careers of a few players due to misplaced loyalty.

Teddy Nickelarse Chris Waddle

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22 minutes ago, Alan Finney said:

I agree with you  Teddy. Way too big a job to do all at once. What is it? Around 20 players contracted or loans that could potentially leave? Massive task to do at one hit with possibly catastrophic consequences, just too many new arrivals that just don't know each other and have to be inducted. Got Xisco written all over it.

Makes sense to retain a nucleus of some of the players that are coming out of contract.

Just hope we avoid what seemed to be panic signings just to fill holes like we appear to have done previously.

 

Yep. Most reaching end of terms will leave. Makes absolute sense though to keep good players with good attitudes to help, as you say, integrate the many newcomers that will be incoming anyway.

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Owling_Wolf Andrew Wilson

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9 hours ago, Tewksbury said:

Of Bannan starts, Röhl will have to.

 

9 hours ago, Andyben said:

I've never seen him.moss so.many passes as this season 

 

9 hours ago, Tewksbury said:

Of Bannan starts, Röhl will have to.

We're turning into 'allo  'allo on here!   👀

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Owling_Wolf Andrew Wilson

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One of the worst 'own goals' of my Wednesday supporting life, in my opinion, lead to the best football playing era - the early 1990s team - being ended unneccesarily early. Simply put, half of the promotion, L.C. winning, Europe, 4 x Wembley side needed replacing for reasons of advancing age, taking manager / coaching roles elsewhere, etc.  Unfortunately, Trev somehow managed to lose us virtually all of the then first team, not just the necessary ones.  Whilst he then brought in a couple of good players, this action ultimately lead to him losing his job and - later - us being on the slippery slope to losing our status.  Too many changes, too soon.   (Big hints of similar from Xisco too: tons of new, unfamiliar players brought in whilst all of the established players were destabilised at the same time by changing the type of football to an unfamiliar one. Needed the former, probably didn't need the latter at the same time. Baby / bathwater syndrome.)

So, to avoid that happening again now, whilst multiple players are released and others potentially sold or loaned out, multiple others are welcomed to the fold by whatever means, lets not make the same mistakes again.  Retain at least SOME of the older, reliable players as foundations to slot the newcomers around and amongst. Then, when the newbies are (hopefully) successful, they can become the foundations to slot more newcomers around whilst the 'old faithfulls' fade away or ride off into the sunset.  Evolution not revolution. With our current manager and his team of advisors deciding and judging the pace of change.

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