The Star is shit thread

[Reesh]

11 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

Whilst i didn't agree with a lot of what was posted on this site, i did tbf think it was ok and that the majority of posters were sound but honestly the more you read the more utter tribe like the above you see

You know you don't have to read it don't you, you won't be missed!

[Reesh]

5 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

Was interested in how that would be perceived on here actually

In fairness to the star they are reporting direct quotes and I dont see any issue; as the matter regarding future plans is clearly important to how we move forward as a club. Could the topic wait until the end of the season, perhaps. My own view is that it would make sense for owner and manager to be regular dialogue regarding these sort of things and that there should be consistent active engagement, to some level at least. DR has now repeatedly said and implied that he doesn't like a lot of what happens off the field and would like to change various things moving forwards. It will certainly be interesting to see how that's perceived by the owner as he's not taken well to that way of thinking in the past. 

Talking of tripe.....

[bazapeps]

Just now, Reesh said:

Talking of tripe.....

go on ...

he's made direct quotes regarding this, so what's the issue?

it will be really interesting to see how the conversations go IMO and what the nitty gritty is that DR is really after

[Reesh]

Just now, bazapeps said:

go on ...

he's made direct quotes regarding this, so what's the issue?

it will be really interesting to see how the conversations go IMO and what the nitty gritty is that DR is really after

He has said he wants to change certain things yet you've made out he's almost at war with DC, fuck off back to stalk.

[bazapeps]

1 minute ago, Reesh said:

He has said he wants to change certain things yet you've made out he's almost at war with DC, fuck off back to stalk.

I've literally never said that

[BraddersTim]

10 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

Was interested in how that would be perceived on here actually

In fairness to the star they are reporting direct quotes and I dont see any issue; as the matter regarding future plans is clearly important to how we move forward as a club. Could the topic wait until the end of the season, perhaps. My own view is that it would make sense for owner and manager to be regular dialogue regarding these sort of things and that there should be consistent active engagement, to some level at least. DR has now repeatedly said and implied that he doesn't like a lot of what happens off the field and would like to change various things moving forwards. It will certainly be interesting to see how that's perceived by the owner as he's not taken well to that way of thinking in the past. 

If you'd read Tylluan's posts about what DR wants re the first team's training facilities and the conversations that are already taking place with other parties, you'd get the impression that positive steps are already being taken & the manager is very likely to get what he wants.

But, that wouldn't fit the narrative would it?

[Tewksbury]

18 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

Whilst i didn't agree with a lot of what was posted on this site, i did tbf think it was ok and that the majority of posters were sound but honestly the more you read the more utter tribe like the above you see

Did this subject not get quoted numerous times in the run up and during the January window as an attack on Chansiri?

It was the basis of the 'failed window' narrative, as everyone was built up to a signature striker signing.

Luckily Chansiri didn't listen and got Ugbo in.

[Tewksbury]

18 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

Whilst i didn't agree with a lot of what was posted on this site, i did tbf think it was ok and that the majority of posters were sound but honestly the more you read the more utter tribe like the above you see

Did this subject not get quoted numerous times in the run up and during the January window as an attack on Chansiri?

It was the basis of the 'failed window' narrative, as everyone was built up to a signature striker signing.

Luckily Chansiri didn't listen and got Ugbo in.

[Tewksbury]

18 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

Whilst i didn't agree with a lot of what was posted on this site, i did tbf think it was ok and that the majority of posters were sound but honestly the more you read the more utter tribe like the above you see

Did this subject not get quoted numerous times in the run up and during the January window as an attack on Chansiri?

It was the basis of the 'failed window' narrative, as everyone was built up to a signature striker signing.

Luckily Chansiri didn't listen and got Ugbo in.

[Reesh]

7 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

I've literally never said that

You imply it is a strained relationship............... fuck off

[bazapeps]

7 minutes ago, BraddersTim said:

If you'd read Tylluan's posts about what DR wants re the first team's training facilities and the conversations that are already taking place with other parties, you'd get the impression that positive steps are already being taken & the manager is very likely to get what he wants.

But, that wouldn't fit the narrative would it?

Is it not possible to leave the constant childish comments and needless digs and instead have a decent conversation?

 

If that's true and the case then that's great. Do you mind pointing me in the direction of where I can see that? Those positive steps what we all want, so if that's the case then great. 

[Tewksbury]

29 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

Whilst i didn't agree with a lot of what was posted on this site, i did tbf think it was ok and that the majority of posters were sound but honestly the more you read the more utter tribe like the above you see

The Nixon stuff was the basis of the 'failed window' campaign and the attempted season ticket boycott.

"Only got loans in when he had all the season ticket money to spend, Where's the 30k striker, blah, blah, blah, did it on the cheap again"

Had Nixon not done that, it would have been seen as a reasonable window as he set the expectation of a marquee striker signing which didn't materialise. 

Funny thing is, Nixon was shopping Hogan around for Birmingham because they needed the Hogan money to get Poveda in.

 

Edit, thought the other one didn't post.

Edited May 1 by Tewksbury

[bazapeps]

6 minutes ago, Tewksbury said:

Did this subject not get quoted numerous times in the run up and during the January window as an attack on Chansiri?

It was the basis of the 'failed window' narrative, as everyone was built up to a signature striker signing.

Luckily Chansiri didn't listen and got Ugbo in.

Quoted by who? You've literally said about how a news story about Hogan got the group going, fired up etc. That's just utter nonsense; the frustrations of fans, the group etc, have in the main appeared genuine and reasonable and certainly didn't need an Alan Nixon story. 

 

I'll be entirely honest about what I said about the transfer window - I thought it was a farce and that DR got left hung out to dry. DR was also clearly frustrated by the lack of recruitment. I absolutely did not think we got what we needed and didn't think we'd have any chance of staying up (I was wrong - hopefully). I didn't expect cash to be splashed or a mountain of transfers but hoped for more, to at least give us a fighting chance. The fact is that the 3 loan signings have been great - I had zero hope in them tbh, and I based that on their past records. DR is clearly a manager that is able to get the very best out of players and credit to him for that. 

[BraddersTim]

6 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

Is it not possible to leave the constant childish comments and needless digs and instead have a decent conversation?

 

If that's true and the case then that's great. Do you mind pointing me in the direction of where I can see that? Those positive steps what we all want, so if that's the case then great. 

Nothing childish about what I put, it literally doesn't suit your narrative and the innuendo's in your posts demonstrates that.

I did think that I knew where Ty's post was, but I didnt locate it so you'll have to look for yourself, probably the Attention Seekers Thread, or maybe DR Appreciation, but it's only a few days old so you will be able to find it, if you want to. 

[Reesh]

1 minute ago, BraddersTim said:

Nothing childish about what I put, it literally doesn't suit your narrative and the innuendo's in your posts demonstrates that.

I did think that I knew where Ty's post was, but I didnt locate it so you'll have to look for yourself, probably the Attention Seekers Thread, or maybe DR Appreciation, but it's only a few days old so you will be able to find it, if you want to. 

It was to do with linking up with the Uni's Sport Science departments wasn't it?

[bazapeps]

9 minutes ago, Tewksbury said:

The Nixon stuff was the basis of the 'failed window' campaign and the attempted season ticket boycott.

"Only got loans in when he had all the season ticket money to spend, Where's the 30k striker, blah, blah, blah, did it on the cheap again"

Had Nixon not done that, it would have been seen as a reasonable window as he set the expectation of a marquee striker signing which didn't materialise. 

Funny thing is, Nixon was shopping Hogan around for Birmingham because they needed the Hogan money to get Poveda in.

 

Edit, thought the other one didn't post.

What was the attempted season ticket boycott? I don't remember seeing that? Obviously I can't have seen or noticed every single comment that goes round but me personally i've never said people shouldn't buy season tickets.

On Nixon; again can't comment on all but I don't need an Alan Nixon story to form my own personal opinions. I'd be utterly shocked if anyone did. My opinions had zero to do with what the papers had or hadn't said.

[bazapeps]

3 minutes ago, BraddersTim said:

Nothing childish about what I put, it literally doesn't suit your narrative and the innuendo's in your posts demonstrates that.

I did think that I knew where Ty's post was, but I didnt locate it so you'll have to look for yourself, probably the Attention Seekers Thread, or maybe DR Appreciation, but it's only a few days old so you will be able to find it, if you want to. 

cheers i'll try and find it

just re the narrative thing though that keeps cropping up - i think you're searching. It's a common theme on here and I think has started to prevent any proper decent discussion as it literally clouds your judgment about anything that's written.

i'm certainly not wanting a tit for tat but it does feel ironic for folk to discuss agendas / narrative, when someone literally posts and associates a video showing the actions of 1 little twirp, with the whole of the 1867 group / fans that would like DC to leave

[BraddersTim]

11 minutes ago, Reesh said:

It was to do with linking up with the Uni's Sport Science departments wasn't it?

Yep

[Tewksbury]

2 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

Quoted by who? You've literally said about how a news story about Hogan got the group going, fired up etc. That's just utter nonsense; the frustrations of fans, the group etc, have in the main appeared genuine and reasonable and certainly didn't need an Alan Nixon story. 

 

I'll be entirely honest about what I said about the transfer window - I thought it was a farce and that DR got left hung out to dry. DR was also clearly frustrated by the lack of recruitment. I absolutely did not think we got what we needed and didn't think we'd have any chance of staying up (I was wrong - hopefully). I didn't expect cash to be splashed or a mountain of transfers but hoped for more, to at least give us a fighting chance. The fact is that the 3 loan signings have been great - I had zero hope in them tbh, and I based that on their past records. DR is clearly a manager that is able to get the very best out of players and credit to him for that. 

The Nixon rumour absolutely dominated social media at the time and had people wound up massively.

DR wasn't frustrated, he was fucked. He was going round giving presentations to every player while having 2 games a week. The bloke was shattered. He said he was working to the early hours every morning.

Players didn't sign because we were a lost cause and not a good place to showcase their talents.

Not a lack of money.

This was evidenced by Poveda only wanting a loan and interviews with failed signings, like the Arsenal striker we tried to get.

There was money for McGuire, or do you think that was an act to keep the fans quiet?

So evidence says the support was there, with no evidence at all to the contrary, bar 'he looked a bit frustrated'. He did mention frustration that players were waiting on other offers, so he didn't know.

He got players he wanted in all 4 positions he needed. He got Ugbo and Beadle at the very start, which implies that everything was food to go at the start of the window. He presented to Poveda early in the window too, but Poveda waited to see. Pederson worked with Pederson before and was a known quantity.

The needed a midfielder myth.

DR said in an interview in January that he let Byers go because he wanted a 2 man midfield and there was roo much competition, so let Byers go as he had 5 players for 2 spots.

We also hired a recruitment bloke in just ro do the negotiations. You don't do that if you aren't going to negotiate.

So, overall, we had a good window, especially in regard to our league position as nobody wants to sign for a relegation favourite.

[BraddersTim]

6 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

cheers i'll try and find it

just re the narrative thing though that keeps cropping up - i think you're searching. It's a common theme on here and I think has started to prevent any proper decent discussion as it literally clouds your judgment about anything that's written.

i'm certainly not wanting a tit for tat but it does feel ironic for folk to discuss agendas / narrative, when someone literally posts and associates a video showing the actions of 1 little twirp, with the whole of the 1867 group / fans that would like DC to leave

Full marks for the irony, zero for the accuracy.

[Tewksbury]

11 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

What was the attempted season ticket boycott? I don't remember seeing that? Obviously I can't have seen or noticed every single comment that goes round but me personally i've never said people shouldn't buy season tickets.

On Nixon; again can't comment on all but I don't need an Alan Nixon story to form my own personal opinions. I'd be utterly shocked if anyone did. My opinions had zero to do with what the papers had or hadn't said.

Maybe not you personally.

 

There was a campaign on OT and X, where they were trying to get everyone to deny Chansiri money by not renewing season tickets. I honestly can't see how you didn't see this, ot was everywhere. "If you renew, you're killing the club".

People who did renew were apologising on social media.

[Owling_Wolf]

52 minutes ago, Tewksbury said:

Maybe not you personally.

 

There was a campaign on OT and X, where they were trying to get everyone to deny Chansiri money by not renewing season tickets. I honestly can't see how you didn't see this, ot was everywhere. "If you renew, you're killing the club".

People who did renew were apologising on social media.

My mate who reads OT got angry specifically about "having people telling me not to renew my season ticket."   He actually did renew when he did because of it.

[mkowl]

The one thing that is relevant is Rohl has identified what many of us have long stated, that the Club needs long term investment, strategy, planning to stop, or at least attempt to stop the cycle of yo yo ing between the Leagues. 

Chansiri is on record in the past saying "you can't plan in football" I totally accept there is a logic to that. There is no guarantee that if you spend £x - Y will happen. Far too many variables, too many others doing similar and frankly a lot of luck 

But Clubs have shown, Brentford being one that was questioned by Chansiri, that getting this in place will ultimately be a positive thing 

If Chansiri is not of this mindset, then what 

[Tylluan]

On 08/04/2024 at 17:37, Tylluan said:

He wants the first team to move away from Middlewood. I've been told we've already sounded out a partnership with Sheffield Uni's sport science department and the National Centre for Sport and Exercise Medicine (Sheffield) but we're looking for other training facilities or land to build on. 

He also wants the pre-season in Germany and not the usual warm weather jolly in Portugal. 

@bazapeps posted this almost a month ago. Same source told me about the tie in with Sheffield University and the pre season in Germany and, according to the interview, they got the Germany bit right. 

 

[HoylandOwl]

3 hours ago, bazapeps said:

Quoted by who? You've literally said about how a news story about Hogan got the group going, fired up etc. That's just utter nonsense; the frustrations of fans, the group etc, have in the main appeared genuine and reasonable and certainly didn't need an Alan Nixon story. 

 

I'll be entirely honest about what I said about the transfer window - I thought it was a farce and that DR got left hung out to dry. DR was also clearly frustrated by the lack of recruitment. I absolutely did not think we got what we needed and didn't think we'd have any chance of staying up (I was wrong - hopefully). I didn't expect cash to be splashed or a mountain of transfers but hoped for more, to at least give us a fighting chance. The fact is that the 3 loan signings have been great - I had zero hope in them tbh, and I based that on their past records. DR is clearly a manager that is able to get the very best out of players and credit to him for that. 

While it could have been better, if we’re talking literally, For me the only ‘farce’ to use your turn of phrase IMO was holding onto LG, who should have been allowed to leave.

The players we brought in have had a direct impact on our survival chances. Without Ugbo’s goals for example, we’re already relegated.  
So I wouldn’t say January was a farce in general. 

[Reesh]

7 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

While it could have been better, if we’re talking literally, For me the only ‘farce’ to use your turn of phrase IMO was holding onto LG, who should have been allowed to leave.

The players we brought in have had a direct impact on our survival chances. Without Ugbo’s goals for example, we’re already relegated.  
So I wouldn’t say January was a farce in general. 

Typical of that group to chuck out damning comments without an ounce of evidence.

[Tewksbury]

5 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

While it could have been better, if we’re talking literally, For me the only ‘farce’ to use your turn of phrase IMO was holding onto LG, who should have been allowed to leave.

The players we brought in have had a direct impact on our survival chances. Without Ugbo’s goals for example, we’re already relegated.  
So I wouldn’t say January was a farce in general. 

There's a @Tylluan post on LG too.

Rohl kept him on as backup when the McGuire deal fell through after Derby fucked about.

[Tank_Owl2,0]

There’s some good sport to be had on stalk at the moment winding up clusterfuccs on there about how DC is doing a great job or how sell-outs don’t to seem to fit there narrative. I suppose I’ll get bored of it soon enough, like I normally do.

Edited May 1 by Tank_Owl2,0

[Supercockle]

4 hours ago, Tewksbury said:

There's a @Tylluan post on LG too.

Rohl kept him on as backup when the McGuire deal fell through after Derby fucked about.

I recall. The time when Chansiri; dressed as a cowboy, rode in on an imaginary horse… 

 

[Billysboy]

1 hour ago, Tank_Owl2,0 said:

There’s some good sport to be had on stalk at the moment winding up clusterfuccs on there about how DC is doing a great job or how sell-outs don’t to seem to fit there narrative. I suppose I’ll get bored of it soon enough, like I normally do.

Seems their in panic mode, if we don't fuck up on saturday then their whole fucking hate infested agenda is dead, I'm sure of this, vile site.

[HoylandOwl]

14 hours ago, Tewksbury said:

There's a @Tylluan post on LG too.

Rohl kept him on as backup when the McGuire deal fell through after Derby fucked about.

I still think he should have been allowed to leave. His fall from ‘grace’ if you want to call it that, was a shame. While he’s not a club legend, his contribution to the last few seasons can’t be ignored. 

[Tewksbury]

2 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

I still think he should have been allowed to leave. His fall from ‘grace’ if you want to call it that, was a shame. While he’s not a club legend, his contribution to the last few seasons can’t be ignored. 

Have you read the post?

LG and Derby were as much to blame as anyone.

[bazapeps]

11 hours ago, Billysboy said:

Seems their in panic mode, if we don't fuck up on saturday then their whole fucking hate infested agenda is dead, I'm sure of this, vile site.

Comments like that are always so frustrating to read.

Obviously not you Billy but it's like when you read comments from people saying such as "they'll all be gutted we might stay up as they want us to go down so there's something else to bash DC with". It's just utter drivel.

A common frustration on here i've noticed is that of when people post stuff without facts or evidence etc. And on some occasions i do get and respect that. But then there's so many posts on her telling me what I think and why (or telling the 1867 group or anyone so called anti-chansiri) - which is unbelievably frustrating when it just isn't true. I get many people's frustrations with owlstalk but on here now it feels like it's just becoming the same, but just the opposite away round. 

[Reesh]

6 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

Comments like that are always so frustrating to read.

Obviously not you Billy but it's like when you read comments from people saying such as "they'll all be gutted we might stay up as they want us to go down so there's something else to bash DC with". It's just utter drivel.

A common frustration on here i've noticed is that of when people post stuff without facts or evidence etc. And on some occasions i do get and respect that. But then there's so many posts on her telling me what I think and why (or telling the 1867 group or anyone so called anti-chansiri) - which is unbelievably frustrating when it just isn't true. I get many people's frustrations with owlstalk but on here now it feels like it's just becoming the same, but just the opposite away round. 

 

Bye then......

[Alan Finney]

27 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

Comments like that are always so frustrating to read.

Obviously not you Billy but it's like when you read comments from people saying such as "they'll all be gutted we might stay up as they want us to go down so there's something else to bash DC with". It's just utter drivel.

A common frustration on here i've noticed is that of when people post stuff without facts or evidence etc. And on some occasions i do get and respect that. But then there's so many posts on her telling me what I think and why (or telling the 1867 group or anyone so called anti-chansiri) - which is unbelievably frustrating when it just isn't true. I get many people's frustrations with owlstalk but on here now it feels like it's just becoming the same, but just the opposite away round. 

Comments like that are frustrating to some because they've actually hit the nail on the head. They've been keeping their powder dry waiting for what they thought was inevitable and now we have a better than reasonable chance of staying in the division they've hit the panic button. Why else start stirring the same old shit again when we really should be thinking about staying up. They're shitting themselves that we stay up, DC & DR form a decent working relationship and we go from strength to strength as I can see that's exactly what's going to happen.

Even the Witchfinder General is offering a "Ceasefire & Peace" on his conditions mind. I think the ridicule he suffered after the Dad and Lad incident, where he subsequently removed the whole thread, have taken its toll on him.

[bazapeps]

13 minutes ago, Alan Finney said:

Comments like that are frustrating to some because they've actually hit the nail on the head. They've been keeping their powder dry waiting for what they thought was inevitable and now we have a better than reasonable chance of staying in the division they've hit the panic button. Why else start stirring the same old shit again when we really should be thinking about staying up. They're shitting themselves that we stay up, DC & DR form a decent working relationship and we go from strength to strength as I can see that's exactly what's going to happen.

Even the Witchfinder General is offering a "Ceasefire & Peace" on his conditions mind. I think the ridicule he suffered after the Dad and Lad incident, where he subsequently removed the whole thread, have taken its toll on him.

Pretty much my point exactly - it's just utter garbage

[HoylandOwl]

Said it all along, personally I’m absolutely fine with folks having a differing opinion, and people having a different one to mine.

I just dislike those massive opinions with no sort of objective debate around it. Sort of like, opinions for getting your opinion out’s sake. 

[Reesh]

7 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

Said it all along, personally I’m absolutely fine with folks having a differing opinion, and people having a different one to mine.

I just dislike those massive opinions with no sort of objective debate around it. Sort of like, opinions for getting your opinion out’s sake. 

Like yours 🙂

[Reesh]

23 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

Pretty much my point exactly - it's just utter garbage

Must like your existence on this forum!

[HoylandOwl]

Just now, Reesh said:

Like yours 🙂

Obviously. 

[Andyben]

1 hour ago, HoylandOwl said:

Said it all along, personally I’m absolutely fine with folks having a differing opinion, and people having a different one to mine.

I just dislike those massive opinions with no sort of objective debate around it. Sort of like, opinions for getting your opinion out’s sake. 

Quite.

[Alan Finney]

2 hours ago, bazapeps said:

Pretty much my point exactly - it's just utter garbage

There's a reason why you all went quiet and why you're all kicking off again. You went quiet safe in the knowledge that we'd be going down, you've suddenly started banging the drum when that changed substantially over the weekend, it's why the olive branch is being offered by some like minded people towards DC. The writing is on the wall for the 1867 Group whose title actually besmirches our great club. Couldn't they have come up with something more aligned with their views, like 1889 Group or something?

1867 Group-Get out of our club.

[bazapeps]

20 minutes ago, Alan Finney said:

There's a reason why you all went quiet and why you're all kicking off again. You went quiet safe in the knowledge that we'd be going down, you've suddenly started banging the drum when that changed substantially over the weekend, it's why the olive branch is being offered by some like minded people towards DC. The writing is on the wall for the 1867 Group whose title actually besmirches our great club. Couldn't they have come up with something more aligned with their views, like 1889 Group or something?

1867 Group-Get out of our club.

When you say "you" who are you referring to? Presumably the official 1867group on x rather than me individual? 

Either way the above is just another post where you say what other people are thinking and why they have done / dont know what they've done. And once again it's quite clearly garbage. 

Find it slightly odd that you suggest the group were quiet when it appeared we were going down - was it not literally the opposite of that in the main? Tbf for balance discussion and protest has been at various different stages, during different runs of form, so any kind of point or argument around then doesn't really wash. It's an interesting take, as I know some people have criticised the group for only protesting during poor league form (which wasn't true) but your take actually seems to be the opposite. 

When you say about the drum being banged and kicking off again since the weekend; what are you referring to?

On a side note; there was the collective meeting of fans groups this week (including 1867) and it was collectively positive and constructive, with all groups of the same views

Edited May 2 by bazapeps

[Billysboy]

3 hours ago, bazapeps said:

Comments like that are always so frustrating to read.

Obviously not you Billy but it's like when you read comments from people saying such as "they'll all be gutted we might stay up as they want us to go down so there's something else to bash DC with". It's just utter drivel.

A common frustration on here i've noticed is that of when people post stuff without facts or evidence etc. And on some occasions i do get and respect that. But then there's so many posts on her telling me what I think and why (or telling the 1867 group or anyone so called anti-chansiri) - which is unbelievably frustrating when it just isn't true. I get many people's frustrations with owlstalk but on here now it feels like it's just becoming the same, but just the opposite away round. 

But it is a vile site, I'm not saying all the posters are vile (and I include you in that) a lot put constructive points across pro and anti DC. But theres an hardcore that give no other view than pure hate for DC and sometimes the club itself, they can't hide it, any announcement or offer from the club is scrutinised by them until they can scrape a negative out of it. If I was an undercover pig fan and came on here stirring the shit I wouldnt last 2 minutes, I could go on stalk and last forever because the site owner and his fucking cronies would let it go because it would suit their agenda, I'd  have more chance of getting a ban for sticking up for the club.

[BraddersTim]

3 hours ago, bazapeps said:

Comments like that are always so frustrating to read.

Obviously not you Billy but it's like when you read comments from people saying such as "they'll all be gutted we might stay up as they want us to go down so there's something else to bash DC with". It's just utter drivel.

A common frustration on here i've noticed is that of when people post stuff without facts or evidence etc. And on some occasions i do get and respect that. But then there's so many posts on her telling me what I think and why (or telling the 1867 group or anyone so called anti-chansiri) - which is unbelievably frustrating when it just isn't true. I get many people's frustrations with owlstalk but on here now it feels like it's just becoming the same, but just the opposite away round. 

That's almost clever.  Taking the valid criticism of the "group" and then spinning it as a criticism of the people who don't agree with them.  The only issue, is that facts galore have been given, from people who actually know their onions, either in accountancy, finance or through genuine connections in football.  Compare and contrast with the lack of information that the "group" give, their reliance on rumour and inability to answer even basic questions. 

Yeah, it was almost clever, but it's still easy to see through.

[Teddy Nickelarse]

3 hours ago, bazapeps said:

Comments like that are always so frustrating to read.

Obviously not you Billy but it's like when you read comments from people saying such as "they'll all be gutted we might stay up as they want us to go down so there's something else to bash DC with". It's just utter drivel.

A common frustration on here i've noticed is that of when people post stuff without facts or evidence etc. And on some occasions i do get and respect that. But then there's so many posts on her telling me what I think and why (or telling the 1867 group or anyone so called anti-chansiri) - which is unbelievably frustrating when it just isn't true. I get many people's frustrations with owlstalk but on here now it feels like it's just becoming the same, but just the opposite away round. 

Good post Baza. Having said that I am absolutely convinced though that there is indeed a raft of hard core anti DC posters that do display symptoms of being really conflicted by our currently more positive situation. I do agree with you that becoming a reverse image of that site is not especially attractive either.

Alternative opinion is healthy. I didn't  mind Nev, whilst disagreeing with him on many occasions. The short term defectors that occasionally infect here with their deliberately provocative smart arse snipings are a different  proposition  altogether though 

[Alan Finney]

12 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

When you say "you" who are you referring to? Presumably the official 1867group on x rather than me individual? 

Either way the above is just another post where you say what other people are thinking and why they have done / dont know what they've done. And once again it's quite clearly garbage. 

Find it slightly odd that you suggest the group were quiet when it appeared we were going down - was it not literally the opposite of that in the main? Tbf for balance discussion and protest has been at various different stages, during different runs of form, so any kind of point or argument around then doesn't really wash. It's an interesting take, as I know some people have criticised the group for only protesting during poor league form (which wasn't true) but your take actually seems to be the opposite. 

When you say about the drum being banged and kicking off again since the weekend; what are you referring to?

On a side note; there was the collective meeting of fans groups this week (including 1867) and it was collectively positive and constructive, with all groups of the same views

Anyone who is at odds with the club and/or Chairman. Sorry for lumping you all together, rightly or wrongly that's how I view you all. I'll use another term if you wish.

There's no doubt in my mind that there was a lull in protests to keep the powder dry and then start again on confirmation of relegation. Deny that all you like, my mind is made up. There's been a restart in activity from you all, whether Dad and Lad started it and now you're all out trying to limit the damage they caused I wouldn't know, seems a coincidence though.  Why has it started again? Because the influence you have on the average supporter will evaporate should we beat the drop.

The subsequent spinning and increased traffic on SM in general. I mean, you for one have reappeared to carry the torch of rebellion after an absence haven't you? Or did I dream that, must admit I don't keep that much of a track on things, it's just how I perceived it, apologies if I'm wrong.

Where'd you have that? The O2? Only kidding. You were all of the same opinions were you? What opinions are these then? Who were these groups exactly? Or is that confidential?

[Tewksbury]

15 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

When you say "you" who are you referring to? Presumably the official 1867group on x rather than me individual? 

Either way the above is just another post where you say what other people are thinking and why they have done / dont know what they've done. And once again it's quite clearly garbage. 

Find it slightly odd that you suggest the group were quiet when it appeared we were going down - was it not literally the opposite of that in the main? Tbf for balance discussion and protest has been at various different stages, during different runs of form, so any kind of point or argument around then doesn't really wash. It's an interesting take, as I know some people have criticised the group for only protesting during poor league form (which wasn't true) but your take actually seems to be the opposite. 

When you say about the drum being banged and kicking off again since the weekend; what are you referring to?

On a side note; there was the collective meeting of fans groups this week (including 1867) and it was collectively positive and constructive, with all groups of the same views

These things naturally ebb and flow, usually with results.

My biggest issue is the exaggeration of anything that happens, however minor and the gaslighting.

The 2 biggest reasons for protesters at the minute seem to be his 2 outbursts this season, however they quote your version.

Chansiri saying he won't fund the club because of abuse to his family has become Chansiri has refused to fund the club. No mention of fan abuse or the fact that he paid for Rohl immediately after.

The tax bill. Why don't you pay it? Everyone knows it was rhetorical, the bill was paid the next day and was caused by a cash flow issue, presumably due to the sacking of Munoz and getting Röhl in. But this has become he has run out of money and needs the fans to pay his tax bill.

You are presumably reasonably intelligent blokes, you know these statements are being taken out of context and are actually not that bad. You've released enough dodgy statements this season to know that getting your message across isn't as easy as it looks and English is your native language.

The issue is, many of your followers don't. Your truth is their truth.

As the on field criticisms of this season are gradually becoming irrelevant, the narrative is going back to 3 years ago, but if it was that bad, where were the protests last season or the season before following relegation when things were objectively worse?

The other issue is that when any of these questions ate asked you ignore them completely and go for the low hanging fruit.

If you could address the actual issues of your detractors, then maybe they'd be a bit more civil.

[bazapeps]

43 minutes ago, Billysboy said:

But it is a vile site, I'm not saying all the posters are vile (and I include you in that) a lot put constructive points across pro and anti DC. But theres an hardcore that give no other view than pure hate for DC and sometimes the club itself, they can't hide it, any announcement or offer from the club is scrutinised by them until they can scrape a negative out of it. If I was an undercover pig fan and came on here stirring the shit I wouldnt last 2 minutes, I could go on stalk and last forever because the site owner and his fucking cronies would let it go because it would suit their agenda, I'd  have more chance of getting a ban for sticking up for the club.

For full disclosure whilst there's plenty of comments and contribution on OT that I agree with, there's plenty I dont and I especially dont like some of the responses / almost mocking type of replies that some provide (along with the responses where some falsely categorise comments that aren't a bashing, as though people are part of some sort of DC fan club). 

[bazapeps]

34 minutes ago, BraddersTim said:

That's almost clever.  Taking the valid criticism of the "group" and then spinning it as a criticism of the people who don't agree with them.  The only issue, is that facts galore have been given, from people who actually know their onions, either in accountancy, finance or through genuine connections in football.  Compare and contrast with the lack of information that the "group" give, their reliance on rumour and inability to answer even basic questions. 

Yeah, it was almost clever, but it's still easy to see through.

I'm obviously not as clever as you Tim, as i'm genuinely struggling to follow or understand that