BraddersTim

And so are you, but there's more of you, ergo...

Do some reading up MK...it's actually quite frightening.

Can you translate that please?

One thing about Reeves, which directly contradicts your point about the wealth makers. I have it on very good authority that she was engaging in conversations and getting feedback about what business wants from a Labour Govt for 18 months before the election, think CBI, Chambers of Commerce, those sorts of groups and the view was that she was really listening in a way that the Tories hadn't for years. She is not going to piss off big business and The City. But she is going to take money from the neediest, make welfare cuts and impose taxes that are unfair at the lowest end. It's a pisser isn't it, finally get a Labour Govt and we get a Chancellor that's going to out Tory the Tories.

Finally you got there...

Whilst the other one was actually attempting murder...

Give me some credit here, I was saying before during and after the election that I'm not a fan of the Labour economic policies. Reeves has come out with Tory austerity measures and i's not what we need. The unions aren't communist, they do their job, which is to fight for the pay and as importantly the rights of their workers. That is going to be increasingly vital as Freeports swing into action - MK you really need to read up on Sunak's father in law and his activities to get a grip on how bad for workers this is going to be. Starmer btw could stop/change it all today and he'd have my admiration but he hasn't and he won't. But yeah, those wealth makers will make more wealth, they will just pay less of it to their workers and in tax. Nobody on here could seriously accuse me of offering uncritical support to Labour under Starmer, for me he's a mixed bag, I wish there was a better leader but there isn't right now, but he is much, much better than any one of the PM's the Tory's have offered in the last 14 years.

If they plead guilty, which is what they did. Make no bones what the Labour councillor said was absolutely as bad as what some of those who have been charged said and could have led to similar outcomes. So Yes, he needs to get the same treatment. The whole two tier justice thing is a crock of shit though, you must see that.

The clue is right there in my post.

Did he try to do it?

Thomas Birley (27) of Rotherham given a 9 year prison sentence for expressing his genuine concerns about immigration levels by trying to burn down a hotel with 20 staff and 200 people inside.

Can't disagree with much here, maybe that most of the population sit either slightly left or right of it, but really the centre ground is the typical British voter stance and it's what the Tories abandoned. I've started to take a very small interest in the Tory leadership "race" and listening to Jenryck this morning on the BBC (a man who was too extreme, even for Sunak's Government) I fear for their existence (never thought I'd say that) if he wins. Given his corrupt history, Labour would have alot of fun with him, but he'd also completely alienate the middle ground Tories. The list of potential leaders is very poor indeed, if Mordaunt were still around she would have been the best choice but to me it looks like Badenoch or Jenryck & I think they're screwed with either of them.

You're not blocked, you never were, that was another of your assumptions. I just choose not to engage with you because you're too far gone, too entrenched in right is right, left is wrong to see any nuance. MK and I disagree, but it's neither personal nor totally polarised, while it stays like that it's enjoyable enough to keep replying.

1) But you don't recognise it on here? 2) But these riots were'nt down to police being heavy handed were they?

While I agree about the football fans point the rest is just rubbish. The same police who attended the slaughter of those 3 little kids were then attacked by rioting thugs. I'm no fan of this country's police forces but your point just doesn't stand up. What I find a bit weird... Just Stop Oil protest and get sent down for 5 years, no violence, no riots and not a peep from you or anyone on here. Right wing rioters on the other hand are defended to the hilt, they "had genuine concerns", "didn't mean it to escalate" "provoked by the Police". Swap them over for "Momentum or Socialist Workers Party" for instance and the reaction on here would be totally different. I get that we all have our political affiliations but a riot is a riot, call it out for what it is.