MAL Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Saddest sight of the day. Oldish bloke and his young grandson/great grandson walking out just after half time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 I'm not sure we'll get 20 points this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 ...and Liam Palmer shouldn't get anywhere near a shirt ever again 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canterburyowl Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Not even a shot on target? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellsview Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Well, if someone would like to enlighten me as to WTF they’ve done in training this last fortnight then I’m all ears. We’re lucky that Vasquez has been on form today (and that George Hirst still makes poor decisions in front of goal) or Ipswich would be well out of sight by now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holmesfield_owl Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Tuesday is absolute must win home to Boro, live on sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Munoz out. As @KrolMong said, they don't look like they're being coached at all. He came in late, but the break should have given him some time to at least get a semblance of a plan but can anyone tell me what the team is trying to do? I think DC will get rid soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrolMong Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 What was it? One attempt at goal? Ipswich were several levels above us, physically dominated us, out ran us, were better with and without the ball. A fair result would have been a 3 or 4 goal defeat. Vasquez was very good today. In terms of us. Uncoached. It’s that simple, there was no plan with the ball, we employed the slowest press I have ever seen. We seem utterly incapable of getting the ball up the pitch without chipping it down the neck of the centre half. We have the goalkeeper passing it square to the centre half, who then chips it down the pitch for it to come straight back. I’ve seen enough now. Munoz needs to be gone tonight. We look utterly clueless in possession after two weeks on the training ground. Munoz is making Monk and Jos look like Pep and Sir Alex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl71 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 3 hours ago, Tylluan said: A flat 4 with Palmer and Iorfa in the middle and Bernard and Ihiekwe only on the bench? I was thinking more 3-4-3 with Palmer and Famewo either side of Iorfa It looked like 3-4-3. Isn’t that supposed to open up passing lanes and make it easier to play through the thirds? Either that’s bollocks, or we executed it astonishingly badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 33 minutes ago, Andyben said: Munoz out. Dean Smith in 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 By the sounds of it me building a shed instead of watching was a smart move At least I won't be grumbling all evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelters Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Went up today, not a great decision but there you go. Not dreadful, but not very good either. That’s about it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul from Wisewood Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 4 hours ago, HoylandOwl said: The banner has gone…. Just seen stewards moving it…. About fucking time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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owl71 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 1 hour ago, holmesfield_owl said: Tuesday is absolute must win home to Boro, live on sky Maybe not must win. Must play better. Must create chances. Must score. Must not lose. Must look like we’ve got a clue going forward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Relegation 6 pointer in September Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holmesfield_owl Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Just now, owl71 said: Maybe not must win. Must play better. Must create chances. Must score. Must not lose. Must look like we’ve got a clue going forward. It is must win. Cardiff Swansea play tonight so that's more points, lose to Boro and we're well and truly rooted. We need a win, nothing less. So does the manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 F**k me, I must have been really bad in my previous life. Not much difference between the sides in the first half: they just looked a bit more polished. After they scored right on half time, though, we were extremely poor. Absolutely not at the races 2nd half and for much of it absolutely clueless. Ipswich won't have an easier half. No organisation, little apparent tactics, little spirit, often inferior passing, (put it in front of him!), inferior crossing - either behind ours or right over them. Multiple attempted foul throws, (paticularly Delgado, which he eventually achieved!) And finally, if anybody thought all our players were giving their all in the later stages, well I bloody didn't. As my mate Dave put it, (censored!), That second half was an absolute disgrace! And just our luck: we're at home again on Tuesday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 2 hours ago, Andyben said: I'm not sure we'll get 20 points this season You not confident of the play offs anymore then 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 5 hours ago, owl71 said: George Hirst not fit apparently so unlikely to start for Ipswich. 4 hours ago, Owling_Wolf said: Heard it all before! Err... 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Vasquez was a shining light today. Can't fathom why XM couldn't fathom that all their joy came down their left. Palmer and Paterson were woeful can't believe both completed 90 mins. Liked the look of Buckley, jury's still out on Hendrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted September 16 Author Share Posted September 16 My flabber is gasted. First half there were a few fleeting positives, I thought we closed them down quite well. But the attacking side of things was shocking again. Our attempts in the final third, or to get into the final third were awful. We gave the ball away sooooo much it was just horrendous. BUT. They didn’t have to do much really to get beyond us, and their goal proved that. A simple ball down the side, pull back and that’s it. Not sure if the lad who crossed was offside, but, even so. Then moments later there was a situation that incensed me. They did almost the same thing, and Palmer stood there with his arm up claiming offside yet the player who was supposedly offside ran past him while he had his arm in the air. We huffed and puffed a bit in the second half, but for the corners, for all the chances to cross, how many shots on target? Zero. I don’t even recall their keeper having a cross to catch. It was awful overall today. Little invention, a distinct lack of fluidity. I can’t say the players didn’t try. There was evidence IMO of effort, but it was so disjointed. We’re not a team of players we’re a group of individuals struggling to figure out what’s what. The ‘performance’ was typified by Delgado who on three occasions, but only penalised twice, for foul throws. Devis Vasquez though definitely earned his wages. A few fantastic saves. The one from Clark’s header was a worldy in particular. Or looked it from where I sat anyway. Xisco’s Owls still offer more questions than answers, and certainly not points. And it feels like the axe is looming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 34 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said: I'm not ready for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellsview Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 21 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said: F**k me, I must have been really bad in my previous life. For my sins I’m also a Wakefield Trinity supporter. After 24 years we were relegated from rugby league’s Super League last night. Trinity are about as successful on the trophy front as SWFC are. So God knows what I must have done in my previous life. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheat Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 29 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said: F**k me, I must have been really bad in my previous life. Not much difference between the sides in the first half: they just looked a bit more polished. After they scored right on half time, though, we were extremely poor. Absolutely not at the races 2nd half and for much of it absolutely clueless. Ipswich won't have an easier half. No organisation, little apparent tactics, little spirit, often inferior passing, (put it in front of him!), inferior crossing - either behind ours or right over them. Multiple attempted foul throws, (paticularly Delgado, which he eventually achieved!) And finally, if anybody thought all our players were giving their all in the later stages, well I bloody didn't. As my mate Dave put it, (censored!), That second half was an absolute disgrace! And just our luck: we're at home again on Tuesday! I thought it was the other way round. Truly awful first half, much improved after the break (although still very poor). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Munoz looks shot in that post match. Memory might be playing tricks but that interview was reminiscent of the last days of Monk and Jos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 1 minute ago, Tylluan said: Munoz looks shot in that post match. Memory might be playing tricks but that interview was reminiscent of the last days of Monk and Jos. Might be his English but the fact he didn't seem to know what the problem with Bannan was I still love the fact we appear to get injuries during international breaks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neville Facking Bartos Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 50 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said: Sounds like splits in the squad? #chansiriout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Bannan was at Hampden, wasn't he? He did an interview with TalkSport and I think he was spotted in the crowd. Maybe he's still recovering from that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 17 minutes ago, cheat said: I thought it was the other way round. Truly awful first half, much improved after the break (although still very poor). I thought we were a lot more mobile after the subs but equally more clueless and - later - not putting a 100% shift in, in places. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 15 minutes ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said: Might be his English but the fact he didn't seem to know what the problem with Bannan was I still love the fact we appear to get injuries during international breaks I'll help. el es una puta mierda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 1 hour ago, Otto_Man said: Vasquez was a shining light today. Can't fathom why XM couldn't fathom that all their joy came down their left. Palmer and Paterson were woeful can't believe both completed 90 mins. Liked the look of Buckley, jury's still out on Hendrick Massive fan of Paterson but him and his clown of a right sided centre back Palmer were awful today. Surely time to give Valentin a go in the Boro game? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelters Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 I’m going to give a bit of praise for Famewo, thought he had a decent game today. Delgado too, apart from the throw-ins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBRA Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Today Delgado surpassed the famous Potter corner episodes. Yet James can’t catch a break! 2 weeks to pull it together and we looked worse than preseason at times. Close to making the call now .. if I was DC I’d be tapping up Smith! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank_Owl2,0 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Agree with you about Famewo, he’s been resilient and at times had to defend while others have been absent or simply just Sh1t. Delgado is a flatters to deceive kind of player for me. The throws are inexcusable for a professional footballer, once could be unfortunate but he was simply incompetent. And a numerous occasions either gave the ball away or gave his team mate a hospital pass. Either give him a run at right back (which I have my doubts about) or take him out of the team. The games are ticking down on XM, I want him to succeed like all our managers but I think we also have to recognise the size of the challenge he’s taken on - at the owners request Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Hope someone was filming when Morsy went in with the elbow and only got booked... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80s Owl Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 4 hours ago, HoylandOwl said: My flabber is gasted. First half there were a few fleeting positives, I thought we closed them down quite well. But the attacking side of things was shocking again. Our attempts in the final third, or to get into the final third were awful. We gave the ball away sooooo much it was just horrendous. BUT. They didn’t have to do much really to get beyond us, and their goal proved that. A simple ball down the side, pull back and that’s it. Not sure if the lad who crossed was offside, but, even so. Then moments later there was a situation that incensed me. They did almost the same thing, and Palmer stood there with his arm up claiming offside yet the player who was supposedly offside ran past him while he had his arm in the air. We huffed and puffed a bit in the second half, but for the corners, for all the chances to cross, how many shots on target? Zero. I don’t even recall their keeper having a cross to catch. It was awful overall today. Little invention, a distinct lack of fluidity. I can’t say the players didn’t try. There was evidence IMO of effort, but it was so disjointed. We’re not a team of players we’re a group of individuals struggling to figure out what’s what. The ‘performance’ was typified by Delgado who on three occasions, but only penalised twice, for foul throws. Devis Vasquez though definitely earned his wages. A few fantastic saves. The one from Clark’s header was a worldy in particular. Or looked it from where I sat anyway. Xisco’s Owls still offer more questions than answers, and certainly not points. And it feels like the axe is looming. As much as this makes grim reading I can't disagree with any of it, we're a total mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 3 hours ago, Tank_Owl2,0 said: Agree with you about Famewo, he’s been resilient and at times had to defend while others have been absent or simply just Sh1t. Delgado is a flatters to deceive kind of player for me. The throws are inexcusable for a professional footballer, once could be unfortunate but he was simply incompetent. And a numerous occasions either gave the ball away or gave his team mate a hospital pass. Either give him a run at right back (which I have my doubts about) or take him out of the team. The games are ticking down on XM, I want him to succeed like all our managers but I think we also have to recognise the size of the challenge he’s taken on - at the owners request 4 or 5 times Delgado, bringing the ball out from a throw from the keeper, ran up to an opponent, swivelled and simply passed the ball to another one. Same dismal error repeated multi-times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 2 hours ago, Otto_Man said: Hope someone was filming when Morsy went in with the elbow and only got booked... That looked a straight red from afar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Owl Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 That was just rubbish. The attacking play was awful If we lose to Middlesbrough, he has to go. Otherwise, its relegation with a record points total. At least the 7 games under Laws that we lost, we looked like we could have got something from those games and were a tad unlucky (bar Ipswich first game and possibly the Burnley game). This sides attacking threat is non existant Pity there's more chance of a club statement about Marvins' mrs than getting rid. We'll have more club statements than points at this rate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrySpeakup Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 That must be Palmer's worst ever performance and in 350 games that's going some. 110% abysmal. How bad must the options on the bench be for him to complete the whole game? Surely he can never play another game ever for anyone never mind us. At least he took the only 109% abysmal Smith off at half time. Playing him (presumably in case we get a penalty) is sheer lunacy. Having the vast majority of the team made up of the players who scraped to promotion from the First Divison was/is never going to work in the Championship. The average players from last season are now woeful players in the Championship and the good players from last season are now poor players. Surely he will be gone on Tuesday night if we don't get anything from the game in front of Sky's lowest ever viewing figures - maybe not at kick off but definitely by the final whistle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 Whilst I concur that last seasons players are below average for this league, does anyone think other than the keeper Vasquez, any of the new signings are better quality. It's marginal at best And irrespective of this, the poor start will ebb any confidence levels we actually had. The problem is we stuttered over the promotion line. And I get all the stats etc in a normal season etc, but I am quantifying this in a real subjective way of not looking like a promotion side, certainly not one that had the momentum to consolidate or move forward. The contrast with Ipswich is immense on the playing side. Of course you think the close season could have narrowed that gap, instead we part ways with a manager, have a scattergun transfer policy. We can all have our views on the Moore saga, but it is never in any textbook to follow our approach. The current outcome on the pitch is however the textbook result Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laceups Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 £51 in the south for that. Top bloke. I don’t think Moore would have done much better with the squad he got us promoted with but they were a “team” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted September 17 Author Share Posted September 17 Just watched/listened to the post match clips that Radio Sheffield have thrown together on twitter. That doesn't help him in the slightest, while I do think Rob Staton's angle recently has been, shall we say, incendiary, I can't disagree with him asking some of the questions he did yesterday about things on the pitch. Rather than constantly focussing on MJ. Xisco's answers towards the end of it, well. What can you say? He seems irked, doesn't really make a point and seems a little petulant. Yes, his side have not lost, but when he's asked about our lack of chances and he sarcastically says that's the plan, or words to that effect. It's either he's being deliberately obstructive or, is he saying the players aren't listening to him? The question about the plan/style is legitimate now IMO. What is it? We've asked it on here numerous times, and no one seems to know. While I accept the manager isn't going to be specific, but if there's nothing that's obvious, at least give people something to understand or try to. I want him to be a success, I said that from the start and wasn't prepared to write him off just because of his previous record (besides Watford) being very indifferent, like some had. But, right now, his team are showing very little to indicate that he can make a success of it. As I said earlier in the thread, looking for some positives I thought the press early on yesterday off the ball seemed better but we were bad with it. Then we at least had a five minute spell or so in the second where we at least penned them in a bit, but didn't force a shot on target. Some have suggested that Tuesday night might be his last game. I think he'll get a couple more after Tuesday. I think the last game of the month could be his last, twice on Sky, if we fail miserably in both. Then I think that'll be it. The tide has started to turn with the Chairman as we heard yesterday, and the boos at full time were very evident. It's just going to get louder on both counts if the on pitch stuff doesn't improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 No man should ever wear those Alexander 'McQueen trainers with trousers (if at all), let alone on a football touchline. That alone is a sackable offence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTheStar Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 3 minutes ago, Andyben said: No man should ever wear those Alexander 'McQueen trainers with trousers (if at all), let alone on a football touchline. That alone is a sackable offence. 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul from Wisewood Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 Has he gone yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrolMong Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 He’s a disaster, and I have maintained that since pre-season. The players look lost when they have the ball, there is no structure or plan on how to get at the opposition. After the international break, I was expecting to see a plan on how to win games and that wasn’t remotely visible. I’d even go as far as saying that it looks like nothing is being worked on. Even from set pieces, there is zero plan, we have anyone and everyone taking corners and just chipping it into the 6 yard box. The set pieces yesterday were embarrassing. He’s signed a couple of young wingers who can’t get a go and he’s resorting to playing a 35 year old striker on the right wing. His back three for the Leeds game was pretty much completely changed yesterday despite them keeping a clean sheet. Its a shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winco Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 Didn’t go yesterday but looking at the stats at full time fucking Jesus, not 1 Shot on target all game at home. I know I’ve banged the drum about giving him 10 games and a bit of time but after 2 weeks what the fuck have they been doing at training? Playing cards or summat. the problem we will have if this keeps going no **** decent will want to come in cause there’s clearly a massive team spirit problem going off. worrying times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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