NomadOwl Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 18 minutes ago, mkowl said: Lets be honest if Xisco had selected this team we would be tutting loudly. The difference will be if there is a coherent plan and tactics on the pitch But it may be you can't polish a turd You’re not wrong. I really don’t think Rohl (et al) would be here if he didn’t think he could polish it though. 17 minutes ago, KrolMong said: I think it’s a 4-3-3 with Pato up top and Windass and Musaba left and right. That’d be interesting, have we ever seen Pato up top in the middle before? (Saying that, not sure there’s a position he hasn’t played in for us) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Scintillate Wednesday; scintillate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 4-4-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, Andyben said: 4-4-2 4-2-3-1 ? Certainly a bit more fluid. Diaby scares me whenever he is near the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Yeah seemed to start with two up then switched Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAL Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Jeez, just head it down FFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winco Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Should be 1 up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Decent half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supercockle Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 From what little I saw on my hooky feed, I thought that was an improvement on previous performances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Every layer just that tiny bit more up for it and makes a big difference 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Few technical gremlins on the water source today but sort of done OK the 20 minutes viewed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 I've seen better but I've seen far worse this season. If that was full time I'd say we'd earned our point. Now comes the hard part: a second half! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrolMong Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Not bad that. The midfield are being far more aggressive with the passing. We’ve switched from a 4-2-3-1 to a 4-3-3 and then to a 4-4-2. Musaba has had a decent half as well playing wide right.. And the midfield three have been busy. We’ve also got midfield runners in the box. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 More shots, more shots on target, more corners, not bad for th away team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraddersTim Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 minute ago, KrolMong said: Not bad that. The midfield are being far more aggressive with the passing. We’ve switched from a 4-2-3-1 to a 4-3-3 and then to a 4-4-2. Musaba has had a decent half as well playing wide right.. And the midfield three have been busy. We’ve also got midfield runners in the box. I'd like to see Musaba being a bit more positive, he just seems to be a bit tentative to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winco Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 We just look like we’ve been getting coached on system for a week. everyone seems to know there job a bit more cannyness and we could’ve been 2 up. A lot better Wednesday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl71 Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Decent enough first 45 minutes of the Danny Röhl era. As solid as we were two weeks ago with a little more creativity. Goals needed, fuck 1 point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Windass neshed it when he saw the defender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAL Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Sir Bobby Charlton Has sadly passed away. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Oof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) Cheats Edited October 21, 2023 by Andyben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Another one of those game changing moments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAL Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Not a penalty, but... There is no way that he could see a deflection on the ball from the side, that the ref couldn't see looking straight at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Eh? Had Xisco prebooked these subs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl71 Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Refs changing their decisions…they never seem to do it in our favour. 🙄. Watford‘s subs have livened them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl71 Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 The season that keeps on giving…giving kicks in the balls. 😡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 What a poor goal to concede. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl4ever1867 Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 All that hard work & we're hit on the counter attack, switched off on the left hand side, they've gone up a gear since the penalty decision overturned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrySpeakup Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Wish we had a sub we could bring on that could change a game instead of someone like Wilks who’s only interesting in getting involved in petty squabbles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellsview Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Wilks FFS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl71 Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrolMong Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Combination of the subs making us weaker and one or two players legs going around the 65th minute. We started the second half really well, but they just look younger and fresher and the Watford subs have had a positive impact. Fitness looks an issue with quite a few of ours. We’ve looked better, but, lack of quality and lack of fitness has done us again. Wasnt a pen either, not in any league in the world. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellsview Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Better performance - shafted by the officials today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 The absolute issue we have is the technical and physical limitations of the players Rohl is working with a very very average group of players. And when the basics of passing and tackling defeat so many of our players, and then the more technically capable are blowing out their arse after an hour. It is better but I think our good enough is not frankly good enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laceups Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Signs there to be enthusiastic. But Wilks and Famewo are League 1 at a push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Just now, Neville Facking Bartos said: Seen enough there to be enthused about the coming weeks We ain't going to score goals - aside from Windass there isn't a Championship standard striker in the squad. At the same time we are always likely to concede at least one. Our piss poor recruitment in League 1 to move forward into this league and the even piss poorer summer recruitment that could have addressed it have totally left a new manager with no where to go It's not being defeatist just realistic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrySpeakup Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 He needs to stop Musaba trying to shoot with a defender a yard in front of him and then 2 minutes later trying a cross with a defender a yard in front of him - just stupid decisions and at the very best we might win a throw or corner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Neville Facking Bartos said: That’s where the abilities of our new coaching come in to play He is a football coach not some miracle worker. I think he will have grasped today the huge task he has taken on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheExile Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Best we have played and I’m aggrieved that pen wasn’t given as there have been one or two worse given against us with no reprieve. Who says luck evens itself as we are getting nothing. Nonetheless our continued missed chances and the likes of Valentin kicking the ball too far ahead of himself is getting a bit much. Given this coaching team a bit much to do really with minimal attacking threat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyOwl Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Tylluan said: Think in one of DR's interviews he said Johnson was back training with the squad and being assessed fitness wise. But he also said something about players aptitude on field and off field. Don't know whether that was sort of aimed at Johnson or not. I’d heard a what I hope is a ridiculous rumour about why he was ostracised in the first place by xisco but that always happens when things aren’t great Thought we were better today can’t wait for Wednesday now 🙌🙌🙌 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) 56 minutes ago, KrolMong said: Combination of the subs making us weaker and one or two players legs going around the 65th minute. We started the second half really well, but they just look younger and fresher and the Watford subs have had a positive impact. Fitness looks an issue with quite a few of ours. We’ve looked better, but, lack of quality and lack of fitness has done us again. Wasnt a pen either, not in any league in the world. I didn't say it was a pen. If the lino knows it was out then he's got to say so. However, it's us again and another of those moments that floors a team: we'd have been better off if he'd not awarded it in the first place. We ran out of steam latish on and their fresh subs added to that as they found more and more space and pushed us deeper and deeper. A tactical query: for their goal was it really necessary for us to have every outfield player in their half for our free kick, relatively late on and still 0-0? I'm all for positivity but not for inviting teams to counter attack when all our players are out of position. An observation: Famewo is a good centre back but not a good, proper full back. If we're going to play him there, I'm saying we can't play Buckley in front of him to support him when he's strugging or out of position. He's too lightweight and, although it was mainly him being fouled in the first half, in the second half he spent a lot of time on the deck. I wasn't surprised he was subbed. He looked weak today. Edited October 21, 2023 by Owling_Wolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 I'll tell you something else that reversed decision did today: it flattened our crowd. It was right in front of us. The loudest noise we made all day. One minute you're right up there, the next you're flat as a flitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HoylandOwl Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 I thought there was a lot to be pleased with today, we defended well as a team and I was impressed with Diaby and Iorfa at the back. Buckley is lightweight, there's no doubt but he always looks to go forward with the ball which I liked. Musaba was very quiet but then, once he got going he would be right in feeling hard done by, when he was withdrawn. Although some are suggesting his removal took the impetus off us, I'd say it was more the penalty being rescinded. It wasn't a foul, so overall you have to say it was the right decision in that respect that the assistant made the right call, it just has to be us that has that and not some shite decision like Oxford's pen last season for instance which was never a pen but nothing from the assistant that day. As others have mentioned, we look leggy towards the end of the game, and the aging strikers don't help us press high and win it high up the pitch late in games, while I understand they didn't come on till 2 mins from the end, I suppose I'm saying they don't strike fear with the ball at their feet outside the area like their lad did who scored. Someone like Gassama possibly could have made more sense if we're looking to use pace. BUT, of course I know he wasn't on the bench. It'll be interesting to see Byers in the Hendrick role in this new style of play I think. We may get that on Wednesday night. That's not to kick Hendrick either, I thought he had his best game for us, although the bar wasn't set that high before kick off in that respect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said: I thought there was a lot to be pleased with today, we defended well as a team and I was impressed with Diaby and Iorfa at the back. Buckley is lightweight, there's no doubt but he always looks to go forward with the ball which I liked. Musaba was very quiet but then, once he got going he would be right in feeling hard done by, when he was withdrawn. Although some are suggesting his removal took the impetus off us, I'd say it was more the penalty being rescinded. It wasn't a foul, so overall you have to say it was the right decision in that respect that the assistant made the right call, it just has to be us that has that and not some shite decision like Oxford's pen last season for instance which was never a pen but nothing from the assistant that day. As others have mentioned, we look leggy towards the end of the game, and the aging strikers don't help us press high and win it high up the pitch late in games, while I understand they didn't come on till 2 mins from the end, I suppose I'm saying they don't strike fear with the ball at their feet outside the area like their lad did who scored. Someone like Gassama possibly could have made more sense if we're looking to use pace. BUT, of course I know he wasn't on the bench. It'll be interesting to see Byers in the Hendrick role in this new style of play I think. We may get that on Wednesday night. That's not to kick Hendrick either, I thought he had his best game for us, although the bar wasn't set that high before kick off in that respect. I know what you're saying but I'm fed up of clutching at straws. Hopefully the management can get something out of the players fairly sharpish before we start to really worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Neville Facking Bartos said: So am I but I guarantee he’d do a better job than me, yet I’d do better than Xisco. The point I’m making is this is the start of the journey, it will get better but we’ll still need additions in January My point is the calibre of players currently at his disposal is very limited. My own view is that even if he can get then playing at 100% of their capability individually and collectively this squad is an 18th to 20th place level side at best. There is a limit to what he can realistically achieve and I am placing no false hope on him. I mean Alan Sugar could coach me, but I ain't ever going to be an FD of a FTSE 100 company on the back of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 The difference between L1 and championship players is training and attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Andyben said: The difference between L1 and championship players is training and attitude. And basic abilities like passing a ball. There was a moment today when Patterson collected the ball, under no pressure and there was a simple pass out to Wilks that went 30 years ahead of him and out for a throw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 32 minutes ago, Neville Facking Bartos said: I don’t know why everyone always has to pigeon hole, we’re this at best. Such and such is L1 level What we need to do is get behind him and the team and trust that as a coach he can improve players sufficiently to keep us up, based on what I’ve seen today from 7 days work I think we’ve a fair chance and that’s before we see how active we are in January A simple question where are the goals coming from. Aside from Windass, not one of the other strikers is good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 45 minutes ago, Neville Facking Bartos said: I don’t know why everyone always has to pigeon hole, we’re this at best. Such and such is L1 level What we need to do is get behind him and the team and trust that as a coach he can improve players sufficiently to keep us up, based on what I’ve seen today from 7 days work I think we’ve a fair chance and that’s before we see how active we are in January Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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