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3 minutes ago, Skamp said:

Fuck all to do with the ref. Wake up. 

This. 

Unfortunately over 2 games they were the better side. What really hacks me off is I don't think they really are. 

One MAJOR thing that needs to change is we simply have to get some pace into that side. We were making Clarke look like Ronaldo 

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10 minutes ago, Skamp said:

Fuck all to do with the ref. Wake up. 

We all have our own opinions but he was fucking awful, you went near a Sunderland player & they just fell over, the time wasting was from minute 1, he didn't once pull them up on it,not to mention we are the masters of our own downfall.

At 1up we had ample possession to pass the ball out wide & get the ball in but there were a coupla players wanted the glory to themselves, we moved away from the basic that got us the goal.

During the game I felt whenever the ball bounced funny, it always seem to land at a Sunderland player feet.

I can't forgive them for the goal though, that was just a hoof down the pitch, Storey got caught on the wrong side & dont even get me started on Palmers defending against Patrick Robert's, he was totally blitzed by him, lost control of his man & it goes 1-1.

Frustration doesn't even begin to cover it tonight but we'll go again next season & hopefully avoid the playoffs by going up as Champions or in 2nd place.

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Conceding late goals. Conceding too many goals from set pieces. Poor game management. Too much tampering with team selection. This cost us automatic promotion. Nice guys win nothing. 

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10 minutes added on in that second half suggests he was picking up any time wasting. Sam wasn't down and being treated for that long at all

Those players totally deserve another season in this division for that. We were more scared of conceding than going for it. It took 75 minutes to finally get behind them and take a lead we didn't deserve. Alex Neil did a job with that tactic as it made us petrified.

That was ten times worse than Huddersfield. 

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So break then. Didn't deserve that sadly over 2 legs, simply the lack of tactical abilities of Moore have cost us. If Plan A didn’t work in the 1st leg don't repeat in the 2nd.

We had one bit of quality for the goal,  not much else. Feel sorry for Gregory, he deserves a better service and tactics 

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Can I complain about the traffic in Sheffield, get some roundabouts FFS.

But I promise not to mention Carlos bottling it without referencing Moore. Two fucking wasted opportunities, not through lack of effort simply tactics. But why should we be surprised, Moore is a flat track bully 

 

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For all the talk of tactics I think Sunderland did a job on us more than anything we didn’t do. Pressed us high up the pitch, had more energy and were quicker to all loose balls, they were impressive aside from deliberately frustrating the crowd with some help from the ref.

Can’t fault the players effort, they were dead on their feet at the end and that was the difference, their younger squad saw them through. 
 

Too easy to attack the manager. I think under the circumstances he assembled a squad that over the season was a little short in one or two areas. We need to inject some youth and pace into our squad next season 

Only criticism I’d have is if FDB was fit then he should have been on the bench, after the first 45 I’d have brought him on had he been available 

Football is a ****, but I’ll be back next season 

UTO

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That's how you execute a game plan, fair play, showed just how much of a soft underbelly we have....they forced the game narrow and we went long, which we are shite at...

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1 hour ago, Skamp said:

I don't want to ever see a post that Carlos bottled the big games. 

 

2 games totally wasted considering our squad. 

.sorry. 

I'm going to keep this at the top forever 

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Not quite good enough over 2 games.  Too many 6 out of 10s.  

Goal sloppy.  BPF should have let cross come through to him but Bannan put it out under no pressure and they kept ball.  Mendez Lang did not go with Clark, very lazy and left Storey isolated.

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That blueprint of pressing Luongo and Byers worked today. It worked at Sunderland and it worked tonight. Just not enough legs to break lines. Pritchard and Robert’s caused chaos behind Luongo all night.

There was no good display from any attacking player in a Wednesday shirt over two legs. We scored with our only bit of quality in 200 minutes but, over the two legs, Sunderland edged it. They were very good shape wise and defensively.

We’ve got a couple of athletes in midfield in Dennis and Dele, and one has to play. We need pace all over the pitch, especially up top. But above all else, we need 22 players who you will get 40 games from each of them, especially up top and at centre half.

Big summer again, we aren’t far off, but, we need to ensure what we sign can play, and any player who we feel we can’t get the games out of, they can go.

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They were the best side I’ve see us play this season.  Nobody has pressed us like that.  I can only assume they didn’t get automatic because they didn’t appoint Neill early enough.

Over two games…yeah it’s fair, we didn’t create enough.

The big takeaway for me is, we need to be more consistent and not drop points in lots of silly draws in games against shit teams.  If we’d won three of the games we drew, we’d have gone up automatically.  Shrewsbury home, AFC Wimbledon away, Gillingham home, Accrington home…I could go on.  If you don’t achieve consistency across a season against shit…you end up playing a good side in the play offs.  Moore needs to think about the personalities in his squad.

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I've spent far, far more time than that in transit for a footy match, and I'm sane as f*ck.  

Rough when it doesn't go your way, but one always comes back.  If one lets the disappointment shake his faith in, or commitment to, the process, that's when one flirts with madness.  It's just another chapter.  

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5 hours ago, pook said:

I've spent far, far more time than that in transit for a footy match, and I'm sane as f*ck.  

Rough when it doesn't go your way, but one always comes back.  If one lets the disappointment shake his faith in, or commitment to, the process, that's when one flirts with madness.  It's just another chapter.  

Ironically I think that was my last night match - fucked if I am trawling the M1 on a midweek any more. 

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We had an opportunity, getting level, then there’s the atmosphere too which was mad at the time of the goal, they were rattled… but we had to score quickly because we’d upped the intensity and we’re obviously going to tire. 
I didn’t expect Sunderland to shithouse as much as they did. Yes it infuriated but hey, do what you need to do. The ref was abysmal, for both sides. 
 

They had a bit of quality more than us, Roberts in particular I thought was excellent, again. Clarke we didn’t lay a glove on, really either.  It says a lot that their keeper only really had one shot / header to save. (how the fooooook, did that low smashed cross from Windass not go in, instead of ricochet wide).

Two bits of the game that’ll stick with me though that just showed to me how much football means to us. 

Our young man, at his second game ever, the unbridled joy on his face when we scored. That’ll live with me a long time… 

Secondly; after the goal. When the Kop was bouncing, and the atmosphere was up, a bloke walked past us, looked up at the crowd bouncing and chanting, smiled and just mouthed, ‘fucking hell’ shaking his head in disbelief almost. It was brilliant. 
 

Anyway, it was an opportunity missed, yes the better side shaded it. But I’m more disappointed because I don’t think they’re that good. We completely nullified Stewart, who is apparently the hot shit. 
 

Moore since Christmas has made us generally into a side who play decent football, and we’ve been a winning team. But what we saw last night was the reason why we’ve not gone up, letting in late goals. We’ve done it all season almost it seems, and it bit us on the arse when it hurt most.  
 

who do I want to win the playoffs now? I don’t care. We’re not in it. 

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Always hard to reflect on the game itself when the outcome is still so fresh in the memory. 

But I actually thought it was destined for extra time. Our goal was a rare moment of quality from us over the 2 legs. Their goal came out of nothing really. The reaction to it was strange, it was almost a stunned realisation of how our season would soon be ending. Not a lot of anger, outside after it was the same, a sad quietness.

You certainly could not fault the effort, the commitment, the desire. By a 52 - 48 margin i will accept Sunderland as the better side over the 2 legs. 

We couldn't get our game going, I still think if you approach game 1 away with a don't lose mentality, with the quick turnaround its almost impossible to switch to the more positive methods. 

I suppose that is my disappointment, we played the same ineffective way again. Credit to Sunderland in they were able to stop us but where was Plan B. Where was it all season 

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In terms of the atmosphere it was good, we were patient, it absolutely rocked after the goal, but were any of us convinced even then of victory. Perhaps some were I didn't sense it.

I concur that Sunderland like Huddersfield were not far ahead, but that is the play offs for you. Total lottery, tension ridden, defensive football.

 

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The key for the manager and players is to take this horrible feeling and ensure in 12 months time we are celebrating automatic promotion. That is the target, no debate about it. Absolutely no gimme, but a realisation that in September that match matters, a late winner, the not conceding, is as important then as April.

We need to be ready for Match day 1, we need a squad that is balanced from Match 1, we need players that can play week in week out

 

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27 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

Bannan post game

 

 

It must be hard to do these post match interviews and the usual cliche's and platitudes get trotted out....so in a way it ain't fair to take every word literally but....."we go again....".    No we fuckin don't Darren....we change our philosophy and let the oppos worry about us.....!.

...a wise man once said....the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and then saying "we go again...." when it fuckin fails....again!!

Sort it out DM!!

 

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1 hour ago, HoylandOwl said:

We had an opportunity, getting level, then there’s the atmosphere too which was mad at the time of the goal, they were rattled… but we had to score quickly because we’d upped the intensity and we’re obviously going to tire. 
I didn’t expect Sunderland to shithouse as much as they did. Yes it infuriated but hey, do what you need to do. The ref was abysmal, for both sides. 
 

They had a bit of quality more than us, Roberts in particular I thought was excellent, again. Clarke we didn’t lay a glove on, really either.  It says a lot that their keeper only really had one shot / header to save. (how the fooooook, did that low smashed cross from Windass not go in, instead of ricochet wide).

Two bits of the game that’ll stick with me though that just showed to me how much football means to us. 

Our young man, at his second game ever, the unbridled joy on his face when we scored. That’ll live with me a long time… 

Secondly; after the goal. When the Kop was bouncing, and the atmosphere was up, a bloke walked past us, looked up at the crowd bouncing and chanting, smiled and just mouthed, ‘fucking hell’ shaking his head in disbelief almost. It was brilliant. 
 

Anyway, it was an opportunity missed, yes the better side shaded it. But I’m more disappointed because I don’t think they’re that good. We completely nullified Stewart, who is apparently the hot shit. 
 

Moore since Christmas has made us generally into a side who play decent football, and we’ve been a winning team. But what we saw last night was the reason why we’ve not gone up, letting in late goals. We’ve done it all season almost it seems, and it bit us on the arse when it hurt most.  
 

who do I want to win the playoffs now? I don’t care. We’re not in it. 

Agree with this. I don't think they are that good. Better than us over 2 games though. Really frustrating. I don't like Neil or his style but if he was our manager we would be in play offs, at least 

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Just now, Mark said:

Agree with this. I don't think they are that good. Better than us over 2 games though. Really frustrating. I don't like Neil or his style but if he was our manager we would be in play offs, at least 

I mean final. And possibly automatic 

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We should’ve never been in this situation with all the last minute points dropped over the season.

ironic that it’s a last minute winner again that’s fucked us.

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For me the big moment last night, goals aside, was just after we scored. A cracking goal from us that had them rattled for the first and only time. We had our tails up and the crowd really was 'massive' and rampant. At which moment their 'keeper, (Iirc), goes down injured. Not saying he wasn't hurt, I don't know. His treatment took at least five minutes. Both sides wander off for a drink. Have a chat, talk to the coaches. Then he's ready to continue, and after that long break our natural ascendancy is gone, the game's reset and Sunderland carry on from where they were before we scored. So instead of us being right on top of them, as we had been after scoring, our momentum has completely gone. Game changer, just like our goal (briefly) had been. 

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I want Sunderland to win the play off final, simply because I don’t want them in this league with us next season.  They have 1 defeat in 17 since Neil took over.  If they don’t go up this season, that’s probably one automatic place spoken for next year.

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2 hours ago, Owling_Wolf said:

For me the big moment last night, goals aside, was just after we scored. A cracking goal from us that had them rattled for the first and only time. We had our tails up and the crowd really was 'massive' and rampant. At which moment their 'keeper, (Iirc), goes down injured. Not saying he wasn't hurt, I don't know. His treatment took at least five minutes. Both sides wander off for a drink. Have a chat, talk to the coaches. Then he's ready to continue, and after that long break our natural ascendancy is gone, the game's reset and Sunderland carry on from where they were before we scored. So instead of us being right on top of them, as we had been after scoring, our momentum has completely gone. Game changer, just like our goal (briefly) had been. 

They did it in the first half too after that backpass balls up IIRC.

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3 hours ago, Owling_Wolf said:

For me the big moment last night, goals aside, was just after we scored. A cracking goal from us that had them rattled for the first and only time. We had our tails up and the crowd really was 'massive' and rampant. At which moment their 'keeper, (Iirc), goes down injured. Not saying he wasn't hurt, I don't know. His treatment took at least five minutes. Both sides wander off for a drink. Have a chat, talk to the coaches. Then he's ready to continue, and after that long break our natural ascendancy is gone, the game's reset and Sunderland carry on from where they were before we scored. So instead of us being right on top of them, as we had been after scoring, our momentum has completely gone. Game changer, just like our goal (briefly) had been. 

It was one of the defenders IIRC but that is not relevant per se. It did make a difference but I said to my lad the likelihood is extra time as neither side really looked dominant or likely to score. OK not my best prediction of the season, but the goal was well worked to be fair but not one they should have scored. But I can live with the fatigue factor and we really had very little to give back. The crowd did not turn, there was no mass exit, but I sensed that we the crowd were spent like the players

 

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3 hours ago, Owling_Wolf said:

For me the big moment last night, goals aside, was just after we scored. A cracking goal from us that had them rattled for the first and only time. We had our tails up and the crowd really was 'massive' and rampant. At which moment their 'keeper, (Iirc), goes down injured. Not saying he wasn't hurt, I don't know. His treatment took at least five minutes. Both sides wander off for a drink. Have a chat, talk to the coaches. Then he's ready to continue, and after that long break our natural ascendancy is gone, the game's reset and Sunderland carry on from where they were before we scored. So instead of us being right on top of them, as we had been after scoring, our momentum has completely gone. Game changer, just like our goal (briefly) had been. 

Absolutely this, I said to my mate as soon as the keeper went down that it was a momentum breaker. Maybe he was really injured but my suspicion is that it was the kind of cheating you would expect from an Alex Neil team. 

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2 hours ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said:

It was one of the defenders IIRC but that is not relevant per se. It did make a difference but I said to my lad the likelihood is extra time as neither side really looked dominant or likely to score. OK not my best prediction of the season, but the goal was well worked to be fair but not one they should have scored. But I can live with the fatigue factor and we really had very little to give back. The crowd did not turn, there was no mass exit, but I sensed that we the crowd were spent like the players

 

Apart from the obvious, the thing that disappointed me most was the way our crowd virtually universally stopped their support for the team when the winning goal went in.

The team looked beaten as they slowly made their way back to half way, no question. But there was a good five minutes left. That's when the crowd needed to really get behind them again, to drive them forwards for one last go at Sunderland. Instead, apart from a few, scattered individuals - as far as I could hear - the crowd just gave up and sat there silently until the end, (apart from those who went before the end.)  I actually had a go at raising some noise twice but with no response whatsoever.  At which point I gave up, too. (And no, I don't want a knighthood.) The difference between a home and an away Owls crowd?  Sad, whatever.  

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3 hours ago, Tylluan said:

That Fleetwood lad got on the Kop last night. His vlog is on YouTube. Interesting to hear a neutral point of view

https://youtu.be/3pmMJ1qI4aw

The thing that stood out from his again, very good video, was how he described Sunderland.

"They don't play the best football, but they are very good technically"

The majority of the players are comfortable on the ball and are willing to move into positions to accept a pass, or even just support the player that does have the ball, anywhere on the pitch.

 

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26 minutes ago, MAL said:

The thing that stood out from his again, very good video, was how he described Sunderland.

"They don't play the best football, but they are very good technically"

The majority of the players are comfortable on the ball and are willing to move into positions to accept a pass, or even just support the player that does have the ball, anywhere on the pitch.

 

The slickness of some of their one or two-touch passing and their receiving of the ball was first class. Two or three of them running with the ball were, too.  Could have done without the runner on the right's legs collapsing quite so often, mind.  

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8 hours ago, Owling_Wolf said:

For me the big moment last night, goals aside, was just after we scored. A cracking goal from us that had them rattled for the first and only time. We had our tails up and the crowd really was 'massive' and rampant. At which moment their 'keeper, (Iirc), goes down injured. Not saying he wasn't hurt, I don't know. His treatment took at least five minutes. Both sides wander off for a drink. Have a chat, talk to the coaches. Then he's ready to continue, and after that long break our natural ascendancy is gone, the game's reset and Sunderland carry on from where they were before we scored. So instead of us being right on top of them, as we had been after scoring, our momentum has completely gone. Game changer, just like our goal (briefly) had been. 

Said exactly the same last night about that.....but.....was he fuck injured.....!  That said, if t'boot were on t'other foot....

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For the talk of Sunderland being much better there wasn’t much in it. They created more in their home leg but it was only a mistake that actually got a goal. I thought they were wasteful and only genuinely threatened in that 92nd minute or whatever it was.

Wednesday didn’t play well and weren’t allowed to by a very dogged Sunderland side who deserve credit for that. They seemed to just be slightly on our heels in most situations and you’d think some of our players with experience at a higher level could shrug that off but sadly not. Too many floated and hopeful balls into the box. One decent delivery from Hunt nearly got us in there and one from MJ did. Sadly also one from Clarke at the end made the difference.

I think it was a titanic clash for this level, low on quality but perhaps like two old school heavy weights they just cancelled each other out and it was very fine margins in the end. 
 

I was dissapointed with how poor our subs played and how we generally played like we were in a school playground when we got into the lead. We had the whole of extra time to work on them and committed too much forward and couldn’t be bothered to defend that killer ball.  It reminded me of Derby where we didn’t even need a goal but we were wide open and let Derby back in at 3-2. That really concerns me about Moore as in the key moment the whole team has lost the plot twice now a year apart.

 

 

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