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On 05/06/2024 at 10:29, Reesh said:

Pascal Jansen linked with Sunderland, former AZ Alkmaar manager

Sounds like he's a name from DC''s & Paxo magic book. 

 

Born in London, the Son of Sue from Spooky & Sue

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1 hour ago, Reesh said:

Chris Davies appointed by Birmingham

 

Yeah me neither.

 

14 minutes ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said:

You mean ex Reading Youth Player Chris Davies ?

Aaaah, yeah OF COURSE! How could it not be

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I think Man U have finally grasped the issues are more fundamental with the structure of the football side. You can change the top man but the next person will fail if you don't deal with it.

Echos of S6 really, Rohl has identified it and until its addressed then we will never progress consistently.

 

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Fabian Hürzeler to Brighton?   I´ve read an interesting article that Brighton & Hove Albion consider mathematical approach to finding players ( like for baseball in the film "moneyball", which I found enlightening)......how can an analysis approach "find" a manager ?

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1 hour ago, atroi said:

Fabian Hürzeler to Brighton?   I´ve read an interesting article that Brighton & Hove Albion consider mathematical approach to finding players ( like for baseball in the film "moneyball", which I found enlightening)......how can an analysis approach "find" a manager ?

I suppose they look at his history of bringing in players for cheap and developing them for re-sale on top of his managerial statistics

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13 hours ago, atroi said:

enlightening)......how can an analysis approach "find" a manager ?

My mate makes a living out of it. 

Him and two others have set up to solely concentrate on 'future manager' analysis. 

They break win % down into about 20 different sub genres. Teams above, teams below, points tally in expected/unexpected wins. Then there's tactics and set ups. Transfer spend against league position and onward sales. Media presentation, interaction with other club personnel. Could they work with a DoF? Current backroom staff? Wage expectations. Do they drag players with them, like Warnock did with Shaun Derry etc. How long to get going, how much do they change, possible fan expectation if they were brought in. 

And god knows what else they look at. 

There's quite a few managers agents that are taking notice of what they do and they're inundated for 'pre pack' work for agents to hawk round clubs promoting their clients

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9 hours ago, Tylluan said:

My mate makes a living out of it. 

Him and two others have set up to solely concentrate on 'future manager' analysis. 

They break win % down into about 20 different sub genres. Teams above, teams below, points tally in expected/unexpected wins. Then there's tactics and set ups. Transfer spend against league position and onward sales. Media presentation, interaction with other club personnel. Could they work with a DoF? Current backroom staff? Wage expectations. Do they drag players with them, like Warnock did with Shaun Derry etc. How long to get going, how much do they change, possible fan expectation if they were brought in. 

And god knows what else they look at. 

There's quite a few managers agents that are taking notice of what they do and they're inundated for 'pre pack' work for agents to hawk round clubs promoting their clients

Any jobs going?

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7 hours ago, Tank_Owl2,0 said:

It definitely interesting to see this rake of younger coaches coming but I suppose this has been happening for a while now.

Article in The Times on Saturday about it , failed to mention DR though

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12 hours ago, Tank_Owl2,0 said:

It definitely interesting to see this rake of younger coaches coming but I suppose this has been happening for a while now.

I guess in the UK the trend of former high profile players being fast tracked into high profile manager jobs has been seen not to work. Eg Gerrard, Lampard and Rooney.

The players that were more cerebral and were interested in the tactics like Pep and Arteta are still coming through.

Football does go in trends as well, so what works at one club will be followed by other, to varying degrees of success.

 

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16 hours ago, MAL said:

31 year old Fabien Hurzeler in at Brighton

 

14 hours ago, Tank_Owl2,0 said:

It definitely interesting to see this rake of younger coaches coming but I suppose this has been happening for a while now.

 

7 hours ago, lobster said:

Article in The Times on Saturday about it , failed to mention DR though

Article I've just read about new bloke at Brighton on BBC Sport football page also fails to mention our man when it seemed more obvious than not to do so. There is one big difference, though: he's already been the boss before and got his team promoted in Germany. 

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On 13/06/2024 at 22:17, Tylluan said:

My mate makes a living out of it. 

Him and two others have set up to solely concentrate on 'future manager' analysis. 

They break win % down into about 20 different sub genres. Teams above, teams below, points tally in expected/unexpected wins. Then there's tactics and set ups. Transfer spend against league position and onward sales. Media presentation, interaction with other club personnel. Could they work with a DoF? Current backroom staff? Wage expectations. Do they drag players with them, like Warnock did with Shaun Derry etc. How long to get going, how much do they change, possible fan expectation if they were brought in. 

And god knows what else they look at. 

There's quite a few managers agents that are taking notice of what they do and they're inundated for 'pre pack' work for agents to hawk round clubs promoting their clients

Is Garry Monk on the list?

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9 hours ago, Skamp said:

Robbie Savage new manager at Macclesfield

First team coach Peter Band, one of Robbie's good mates and a stalwart at both incarnations of the club, had a massive bust up with manager Mick Clegg a couple of weeks ago and Band walked out. Savage tried to meditate but didn't happen so in the end Clegg got the push and Band has come back as assistant manager. Emile Heskey has also signed on as forwards coach. 

Savage has had to step down from his DoF role. He'd also previously turned down the DoF job at Salford, back in March, cos it would have meant giving up his shares in Macclesfield. Giggs gave himself the job instead. 

To be honest, with the money they've spent and the squad already there Macclesfield should walk their division so it's a free hit for Savage and probably why he installed himself. They've got a National League squad in the Northern Premier 

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On 18/06/2024 at 07:34, HoylandOwl said:

Not too shocked by that, he’s one of the co owners or summat too isn’t he

keep him off Radio 5 Live hopefully 

Can he take Chris Sutton with him 

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They once did 606 from the Crucible in Sheffield and I went as part of the audience.

Mark Chapman and the other guests, one might have been Clinton but I could be wrong, spent time talking to the audience during the news, weather and traffic breaks whilst Savage scurried off stage. During the show, he spent most of his time looking at his phone and posting on Twitter and when it was over, he dashed off the stage so fast, it was a blur whilst the others stayed behind for selfies and so forth.

 

Any liking towards the bloke disappeared that day

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14 minutes ago, Skamp said:

^^ this

😂😂😂FFS. There I was thinking I can’t remember posting that, it must be a Saturday night post, posted in drink. Then I saw the “in the mirror once and while” bit and realized it wasn’t mine at all, not even in drink would I make such a schoolboy error.

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I can't work out the purpose of that article.

Sounds more about Ferguson and his dislike for Wednesday for Hirst not going there than anything else. 'Name me a player'. Fucking idiot. 

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4 hours ago, Andyben said:

Old news and lets be honest, in 2002 why would anyone recommend the Wednesday manager's job

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Chris Turner 23px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England 7 November 2002 19 September 2004 96 29 36 31 30.21
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This is David Moyes we're talking here, not Pep Guardiola.

 

Our biggest loss in recent years was Walter Smith or we should have gone for Jim Smith. 

I always thought a combo of Jim Smith and Roland Nilsson would have made us great. Based on nothing but potential

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25 minutes ago, Skamp said:

This is David Moyes we're talking here, not Pep Guardiola.

 

Our biggest loss in recent years was Walter Smith or we should have gone for Jim Smith. 

I always thought a combo of Jim Smith and Roland Nilsson would have made us great. Based on nothing but potential

He was a rising star at PNE when a financially brassic Wednesday approached him.

 

 

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31 minutes ago, Skamp said:

This is David Moyes we're talking here, not Pep Guardiola.

 

Our biggest loss in recent years was Walter Smith or we should have gone for Jim Smith. 

I always thought a combo of Jim Smith and Roland Nilsson would have made us great. Based on nothing but potential

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1 minute ago, Beaconowl said:

Switched off! So embarrassing and annoying with all this talent Southgate plays these tactics. ****

Bayern don’t play like this, Man City don’t, Arsenal don’t, Real don’t. Southgate does. 

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23 minutes ago, Gamblor said:

Bayern don’t play like this, Man City don’t, Arsenal don’t, Real don’t. Southgate does. 

That’s because they’re all clubs who want to win things.  Southgate is a PL club who are happy to stay up type manager, in charge of a team of Champions League players.

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