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The FA need to stop running the England team like a club, in that when a new head coach comes in they bring their own backroom team with them. 

To use France as an example; Deschamps is at the head of a 20 strong backroom team and he's only brought 3 of those in. On the coaching staff he has people who've coached successfully outside of the French domestic game. He has positions on his staff like 'player lead' who's the conduit between coach and players. Marcel Desailly has been player lead since 2017 and Edgar Davids holds a similar position with the Dutch and when Van Gaal leaves he will leave his backroom in place for the next man. 

 

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45 minutes ago, Tylluan said:

The FA need to stop running the England team like a club, in that when a new head coach comes in they bring their own backroom team with them. 

To use France as an example; Deschamps is at the head of a 20 strong backroom team and he's only brought 3 of those in. On the coaching staff he has people who've coached successfully outside of the French domestic game. He has positions on his staff like 'player lead' who's the conduit between coach and players. Marcel Desailly has been player lead since 2017 and Edgar Davids holds a similar position with the Dutch and when Van Gaal leaves he will leave his backroom in place for the next man. 

 

I'd be more worried about having Bobby Page run my national side than I would the England set up.

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55 minutes ago, Reesh said:

I'd be more worried about having Bobby Page run my national side than I would the England set up.

I am worried. 

I want him gone along with Bale, Ramsey and a couple more and a four year plan put in place to build a team around the younger players. Michael O'Neill would have been my first choice but he's gone back to Northern Ireland so I'll take Steve Cooper if he gets chopped at Forest

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2 minutes ago, Tylluan said:

I am worried. 

I want him gone along with Bale, Ramsey and a couple more and a four year plan put in place to build a team around the younger players. Michael O'Neill would have been my first choice but he's gone back to Northern Ireland so I'll take Steve Cooper if he gets chopped at Forest

As much as the Welsh hate the English they are happy to play Englishmen and have them manage them. 

 

How quaint.

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1 hour ago, Reesh said:

As much as the Welsh hate the English they are happy to play Englishmen and have them manage them. 

 

How quaint.

Cooper's Welsh. Born in Pontypridd. 

So one of the most successful England youth coaches of recent times, u17 Euros runners up and semi finalists, u17 World cup winners, and responsible for bringing Foden, Sancho, Hudson-Odoi, Smith-Rowe, Saka into the England set up is Welsh.

He also oversaw a major over haul of England's thinking around in possession-out possession tactics and constructed specific modules for coaching within the National set up which Southgate used in Russia 2018. 

To paraphrase the famous Goodness Gracious Me sketch. Groundwork for England's 2018 run to the semis and Euro 2020 final - Welshman. Overhaul of England's coaching infrastructure after Hodgson - Welshman. Saka, Foden etc coming through the ranks- Welshman. Most successful England coach of the last 20 years. Welshman. 

And let's not forget. Cooper's been mentioned on here as a possible replacement for Southgate. 

And most Welsh don't hate the English, not at football anyway. We laugh when the bigger nation fucks up, in much the same way England fans laugh at Germany for not getting out of the group stage (again). 

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9 minutes ago, Tylluan said:

Cooper's Welsh. Born in Pontypridd. 

So one of the most successful England youth coaches of recent times, u17 Euros runners up and semi finalists, u17 World cup winners, and responsible for bringing Foden, Sancho, Hudson-Odoi, Smith-Rowe, Saka into the England set up is Welsh.

He also oversaw a major over haul of England's thinking around in possession-out possession tactics and constructed specific modules for coaching within the National set up which Southgate used in Russia 2018. 

To paraphrase the famous Goodness Gracious Me sketch. Groundwork for England's 2018 run to the semis and Euro 2020 final - Welshman. Overhaul of England's coaching infrastructure after Hodgson - Welshman. Saka, Foden etc coming through the ranks- Welshman. Most successful England coach of the last 20 years. Welshman. 

And let's not forget. Cooper's been mentioned on here as a possible replacement for Southgate. 

And most Welsh don't hate the English, not at football anyway. We laugh when the bigger nation fucks up, in much the same way England fans laugh at Germany for not getting out of the group stage (again). 

We? You're fucking English.

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4 hours ago, Tylluan said:

The FA need to stop running the England team like a club, in that when a new head coach comes in they bring their own backroom team with them. 

To use France as an example; Deschamps is at the head of a 20 strong backroom team and he's only brought 3 of those in. On the coaching staff he has people who've coached successfully outside of the French domestic game. He has positions on his staff like 'player lead' who's the conduit between coach and players. Marcel Desailly has been player lead since 2017 and Edgar Davids holds a similar position with the Dutch and when Van Gaal leaves he will leave his backroom in place for the next man. 

 

France still having a class starting XI despite all their injuries might have more to do with it than their coaching staff 

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I havent really followed the WC as closely as some others but I was thinking about the players that "emerge" at WC's, become stars and get big moves.  I don't really know who those players are this time.  Musiala got rave reviews but went home early, the lad Ramos made a big impact in one game and of course Bellingham, Saka, Foden for England but we knew about those already.  It seems that it's been a WC where the established stars have shown their quality, but then I've probably forgotten someone blindingly obvious just because I haven't followed it in depth!   

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5 minutes ago, Mark said:

I don't care who wins it now. Unfortunately I care about us and England. The rest? Couldn't care less

I don't care who wins either, but I like watching the football.  "I'm not watching now my team is out" is the equivalent of "I'm taking my ball home" Watch good players play.  Stop sulking.

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2 minutes ago, trevorfrancistracksuit said:

I don't care who wins either, but I like watching the football.  "I'm not watching now my team is out" is the equivalent of "I'm taking my ball home" Watch good players play.  Stop sulking.

Professor Plum is back.

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7 minutes ago, trevorfrancistracksuit said:

I don't care who wins either, but I like watching the football.  "I'm not watching now my team is out" is the equivalent of "I'm taking my ball home" Watch good players play.  Stop sulking.

Thanks 4 the advice. 

I'd close me curtains if they were playing in my back garden. Wednesday winning or losing means something. France v whoever doesn't 

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1 minute ago, Mark said:

Thanks 4 the advice. 

I'd close me curtains if they were playing in my back garden. Wednesday winning or losing means something. France v whoever doesn't 

Surely the 3rd v 4th play off on Saturday matters mate, what's wrong with ya

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2 minutes ago, Mark said:

Thanks 4 the advice. 

I'd close me curtains if they were playing in my back garden. Wednesday winning or losing means something. France v whoever doesn't 

Zero advice there buddy.  Just seems like some people don't like football, which is really weird to me.  Enjoy yourself doing you though, no offence!

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18 minutes ago, trevorfrancistracksuit said:

I don't care who wins either, but I like watching the football.  "I'm not watching now my team is out" is the equivalent of "I'm taking my ball home" Watch good players play.  Stop sulking.

I watched last nights game and I’ve seen the last 20 mins of tonight’s.

When we went out I didn’t say to myself I wouldn’t watch any more, it’s just I’ve had nowt better to do. The worst thing about France winning tonight is there’s a tinge of me wanting Argentina to win it. Which in my lifetime I never thought I’d say! 
(Yes I’m a bitter twat about last Saturday night!)

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5 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

 

I watched last nights game and I’ve seen the last 20 mins of tonight’s.

When we went out I didn’t say to myself I wouldn’t watch any more, it’s just I’ve had nowt better to do. The worst thing about France winning tonight is there’s a tinge of me wanting Argentina to win it. Which in my lifetime I never thought I’d say! 
(Yes I’m a bitter twat about last Saturday night!)

100% agree with that!

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32 minutes ago, owl71 said:

I want the Argies to win Sunday, fuck it. A fitting end to Messi’s career, mental, brilliant fans, and the French are a little bit annoying.

I agree, I hate the Argies, due to being a serviceman during the Falklands, but we won that battle. 
 

However, Mbappe fucked me off so much with his smirk after Kane missed the second penalty, I wouldn’t mind the Argie twats winning 

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8 minutes ago, Andyben said:

Qatars two highest paid and highest profile players make it to the final.

What are the odds eh

Tbf Andy, Messi and Mbappe have needed a little help from their team mates and they are there on footballing merit. There has been less VAR controversy than an average Premier League weekend. The refs have not been perfect but I still don't come off that England game feeling robbed really.

Enjoyable tournament, they should make it in the northern winter more often 👹

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1 hour ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said:

Tbf Andy, Messi and Mbappe have needed a little help from their team mates and they are there on footballing merit. There has been less VAR controversy than an average Premier League weekend. The refs have not been perfect but I still don't come off that England game feeling robbed really.

Enjoyable tournament, they should make it in the northern winter more often 👹

From a footballing point of view, it has been a very enjoyable tournament. There's been some great games, I don't think there's much argument in that. It does help that the majority of the players are in the midst of their season's, at peak fitness and not knackered after a long season. 

In a way, it's a little disappointing that it's been so good as FIFA will obviously be flaunting things to justify their position. But it still shouldn't have taken place there as we know, for a myriad of reasons. 

 

 

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9 hours ago, Beaconowl said:

I agree, I hate the Argies, due to being a serviceman during the Falklands, but we won that battle. 
 

However, Mbappe fucked me off so much with his smirk after Kane missed the second penalty, I wouldn’t mind the Argie twats winning 

Aye, how dare he do such a naughty thing when his team has gained an advantage.

What a rotter 😏

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I have genuinely enjoyed it. Yes, it lost a bit of lustre after us losing to France. But the two semis have been good contests despite the scorelines saying other wise, there has been drama, and some upsets, and we could have a fairytale finish (and the closing of the book) on the greatest player of this generation debate if Messi and Argentina do it.

I’m not a fan of either team, but, I do want Argentina to do it, for Messi, but I think they have looked the more convincing of the two teams against better opposition.

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Personally just not felt this World Cup and probably the one I have watched least games but more down to kick off times and just being busy.

Caught both semi finals and enjoyed them. 

I want Argentina to win for definite.  Always had a soft spot for them regardless of Political issues due to the first game I really watched being the Mario Kempes inspired ticker tape final in 1978.  Also still believe Maradona to be the greatest player ever and Messi the best of the last 25 years.  Plus they have my favourite kit ever. 

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Not the usual profile of a World Cup Finalist goalkeeper

Emiliano Martínez

ARGENTINA

Years Team Apps (Gls)
2012–2020 Arsenal 15 (0)
2012  Oxford United (loan) 1 (0)
2013–2014  Sheffield Wednesday (loan) 11 (0)
2015  Rotherham United (loan) 8 (0)
2015–2016  Wolverhampton Wanderers (loan) 13 (0)
2017–2018  Getafe (loan) 5 (0)
2019  Reading (loan) 18 (0)
2020– Aston Villa 89 (0
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