Reesh Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 Has the **** gone yet. The waistcoat wearing nicey nicey penalty missing yes man bastard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 I like others gave been really frustrated with some of Southgate approach to games, but I think he has learnt to an extent as we have played more expansive football in this tournament. But as Hoyland says, it's that which makes it even more disappointing as if we'd played like that v Italt etc...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 I think Southgate will be made an offer to go back into club football and will take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 It’s time for change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrolMong Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 I think Southgate will go. And I’ll think we’ll end up with someone that makes Southgate look like Sir Alex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 Moore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 6 hours ago, Tylluan said: I think Southgate will be made an offer to go back into club football and will take it. Derby? Who else would take such a failure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 3 hours ago, KrolMong said: I think Southgate will go. And I’ll think we’ll end up with someone that makes Southgate look like Sir Alex. Luis Enrique Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, KrolMong said: I think Southgate will go. And I’ll think we’ll end up with someone that makes Southgate look like Sir Alex. Howe won't take it now he's at Newcastle. Tuchel wants another club job, as does Poch. Chelsea could use the opportunity and ditch the Potter experiment if the FA came calling. Then you have the last 'golden generation' who failed with England as players and haven't pulled any trees up in management either. Brendan Rodgers would be available, as will Klopp at the end of this season Edited December 11, 2022 by Tylluan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 (edited) Potter would work, could Chelsea go for Enrique? Not Brendan "Gucci Belt" Rodgers or the buck toothed Nazi Edited December 11, 2022 by Andyben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 Just seen something this morning that apparently Southgate is ‘conflicted’ over his decision on his future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said: Just seen something this morning that apparently Southgate is ‘conflicted’ over his decision on his future. Southgate, indecisive, not having that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 13 hours ago, Andyben said: Moore? Moore and Southgate are remarkably similar albeit at different levels of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 Who's winning it now then....? Just looking at Ladbrokes odds... France favourites, Argentina, Croatia, then you can get 9/1 on Morocco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrolMong Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 I’ll stick to my claim that the World Cup winner was coming from Saturday nights game. So I’m going with France. That said, i did have a sizable bet on Argentina about 4 weeks before the World Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl4ever1867 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 5 hours ago, HoylandOwl said: Who's winning it now then....? Just looking at Ladbrokes odds... France favourites, Argentina, Croatia, then you can get 9/1 on Morocco. France vs Argentina final. But then who bloody knows with this world cup, we could quite easily have a Croatia vs Morocco final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 World Cup finished last Saturday lads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Argentina will win it. FIFA want Messi to win. That bent twat from Saturday has now been sent home as his job is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 I’ll reply with this before anyone else does….. Southgate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 21 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said: I’ll reply with this before anyone else does….. Southgate? I thought Ben White was the bent twat sent home from Qatar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 48 minutes ago, Reesh said: World Cup finished last Saturday lads. This. I won't be watching anymore of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, HoylandOwl said: I’ll reply with this before anyone else does….. Southgate? IF there was an obvious English manager to replace him then bye bye Sadly there isn't anyone that has the requisite experience and success at club level to fill those shoes at present Howe needs to get into the Champions League with the Geordies and have a relatively successful campaign if they do ie get out the group Potter at Chelsea - not really succeeded as yet Anyone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul from Wisewood Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 2 hours ago, owl4ever1867 said: France vs Argentina final. But then who bloody knows with this world cup, we could quite easily have a Croatia vs Morocco final. Hope the Moroccans put ‘em out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrolMong Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 You know. I actually don’t have an issue with Rodgers. His sides have historically been good to watch, and he’s done a very good job at Leicester. I can’t see Howe or Potter taking it unless either of them get sacked. Poch would be good too, but he’ll get a top European club, and if Klopp goes at Liverpool, he’ll end up at another top club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said: IF there was an obvious English manager to replace him then bye bye Sadly there isn't anyone that has the requisite experience and success at club level to fill those shoes at present Howe needs to get into the Champions League with the Geordies and have a relatively successful campaign if they do ie get out the group Potter at Chelsea - not really succeeded as yet Anyone else Why does the next England manager have to be English and have a proven club pedigree? On that basis Sean Dyche is in with a shout. Southgate had a dismal time at Middlesbrough. The FA will look for a brand ambassador with, hopefully for England, a tactical and technical nuance that Southgate doesn't quite have. They won't employ anyone that will cause waves or sulk in press conferences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Owl Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Personally, I'd be asking Southgate to have one more go at the Euro's knowing this will be his final tournament. Then replace him with Steve Cooper who did a fine job with the youth teams before moving to Swansea City. Perhaps bring Cooper on board the coaching side during the Euro's if we qualify so that he gets the experience there before taking the job on full time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 11 hours ago, Tylluan said: Why does the next England manager have to be English and have a proven club pedigree? On that basis Sean Dyche is in with a shout. Southgate had a dismal time at Middlesbrough. The FA will look for a brand ambassador with, hopefully for England, a tactical and technical nuance that Southgate doesn't quite have. They won't employ anyone that will cause waves or sulk in press conferences. They don't have to be English and from soundings it would appear the FA are pondering dipping the toe in that market again. My comment was more that the times we have had a foreign manager were not a success and not that popular in the fan base. Dyche has not been successful beyond keeping Burnley in the Premier League The FA will probably offer it to the womens team manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl4ever1867 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Luiz Enrique for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 18 minutes ago, owl4ever1867 said: Luiz Enrique for me. Based on what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul from Wisewood Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 11 hours ago, Kiwi Owl said: Personally, I'd be asking Southgate to have one more go at the Euro's knowing this will be his final tournament. Then replace him with Steve Cooper who did a fine job with the youth teams before moving to Swansea City. Perhaps bring Cooper on board the coaching side during the Euro's if we qualify so that he gets the experience there before taking the job on full time cooper the face of english football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Paul from Wisewood said: cooper the face of english football Cooper, the face of HMS Sheffield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 1 hour ago, owl4ever1867 said: Luiz Enrique for me. His Spanish team bored me 2 death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Is Luiz Enrique any relation to Luis Enrique who used to manage Spain? He might be a good option 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 The FA need to stop running the England team like a club, in that when a new head coach comes in they bring their own backroom team with them. To use France as an example; Deschamps is at the head of a 20 strong backroom team and he's only brought 3 of those in. On the coaching staff he has people who've coached successfully outside of the French domestic game. He has positions on his staff like 'player lead' who's the conduit between coach and players. Marcel Desailly has been player lead since 2017 and Edgar Davids holds a similar position with the Dutch and when Van Gaal leaves he will leave his backroom in place for the next man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 45 minutes ago, Tylluan said: The FA need to stop running the England team like a club, in that when a new head coach comes in they bring their own backroom team with them. To use France as an example; Deschamps is at the head of a 20 strong backroom team and he's only brought 3 of those in. On the coaching staff he has people who've coached successfully outside of the French domestic game. He has positions on his staff like 'player lead' who's the conduit between coach and players. Marcel Desailly has been player lead since 2017 and Edgar Davids holds a similar position with the Dutch and when Van Gaal leaves he will leave his backroom in place for the next man. I'd be more worried about having Bobby Page run my national side than I would the England set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 55 minutes ago, Reesh said: I'd be more worried about having Bobby Page run my national side than I would the England set up. I am worried. I want him gone along with Bale, Ramsey and a couple more and a four year plan put in place to build a team around the younger players. Michael O'Neill would have been my first choice but he's gone back to Northern Ireland so I'll take Steve Cooper if he gets chopped at Forest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tylluan said: I am worried. I want him gone along with Bale, Ramsey and a couple more and a four year plan put in place to build a team around the younger players. Michael O'Neill would have been my first choice but he's gone back to Northern Ireland so I'll take Steve Cooper if he gets chopped at Forest As much as the Welsh hate the English they are happy to play Englishmen and have them manage them. How quaint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 38 minutes ago, Neville Facking Bartos said: As if Cooper would take on Wales 😂 Cooper interviewed when Giggs got the role Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted December 13, 2022 Author Share Posted December 13, 2022 Anyway. Argentina to go through then, that 2nd goal…. Croatia’s defending was …. Laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Reesh said: As much as the Welsh hate the English they are happy to play Englishmen and have them manage them. How quaint. Cooper's Welsh. Born in Pontypridd. So one of the most successful England youth coaches of recent times, u17 Euros runners up and semi finalists, u17 World cup winners, and responsible for bringing Foden, Sancho, Hudson-Odoi, Smith-Rowe, Saka into the England set up is Welsh. He also oversaw a major over haul of England's thinking around in possession-out possession tactics and constructed specific modules for coaching within the National set up which Southgate used in Russia 2018. To paraphrase the famous Goodness Gracious Me sketch. Groundwork for England's 2018 run to the semis and Euro 2020 final - Welshman. Overhaul of England's coaching infrastructure after Hodgson - Welshman. Saka, Foden etc coming through the ranks- Welshman. Most successful England coach of the last 20 years. Welshman. And let's not forget. Cooper's been mentioned on here as a possible replacement for Southgate. And most Welsh don't hate the English, not at football anyway. We laugh when the bigger nation fucks up, in much the same way England fans laugh at Germany for not getting out of the group stage (again). Edited December 13, 2022 by Tylluan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, Tylluan said: Cooper's Welsh. Born in Pontypridd. So one of the most successful England youth coaches of recent times, u17 Euros runners up and semi finalists, u17 World cup winners, and responsible for bringing Foden, Sancho, Hudson-Odoi, Smith-Rowe, Saka into the England set up is Welsh. He also oversaw a major over haul of England's thinking around in possession-out possession tactics and constructed specific modules for coaching within the National set up which Southgate used in Russia 2018. To paraphrase the famous Goodness Gracious Me sketch. Groundwork for England's 2018 run to the semis and Euro 2020 final - Welshman. Overhaul of England's coaching infrastructure after Hodgson - Welshman. Saka, Foden etc coming through the ranks- Welshman. Most successful England coach of the last 20 years. Welshman. And let's not forget. Cooper's been mentioned on here as a possible replacement for Southgate. And most Welsh don't hate the English, not at football anyway. We laugh when the bigger nation fucks up, in much the same way England fans laugh at Germany for not getting out of the group stage (again). We? You're fucking English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winco Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Messi showing what he’s about now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gleadless Owl Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 4 hours ago, Tylluan said: The FA need to stop running the England team like a club, in that when a new head coach comes in they bring their own backroom team with them. To use France as an example; Deschamps is at the head of a 20 strong backroom team and he's only brought 3 of those in. On the coaching staff he has people who've coached successfully outside of the French domestic game. He has positions on his staff like 'player lead' who's the conduit between coach and players. Marcel Desailly has been player lead since 2017 and Edgar Davids holds a similar position with the Dutch and when Van Gaal leaves he will leave his backroom in place for the next man. France still having a class starting XI despite all their injuries might have more to do with it than their coaching staff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrySpeakup Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Another Bannanesque performance by Messi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Did not realise CEO of the Qatar World Cup Hassan al Thawadi was a previous resident of Sheffield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraddersTim Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 I havent really followed the WC as closely as some others but I was thinking about the players that "emerge" at WC's, become stars and get big moves. I don't really know who those players are this time. Musiala got rave reviews but went home early, the lad Ramos made a big impact in one game and of course Bellingham, Saka, Foden for England but we knew about those already. It seems that it's been a WC where the established stars have shown their quality, but then I've probably forgotten someone blindingly obvious just because I haven't followed it in depth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted December 14, 2022 Author Share Posted December 14, 2022 Alexis Mac Allister of Brighton (for the Argies) has been impressive IMO. Think he was under 10 caps for them before the WC started too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevorfrancistracksuit Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 On 12/12/2022 at 17:07, Mark said: This. I won't be watching anymore of it Why? Don't you like football? I'll never understand this take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Anyone else think the Moroccans would have caused us huge problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 48 minutes ago, trevorfrancistracksuit said: Why? Don't you like football? I'll never understand this take. I don't care who wins it now. Unfortunately I care about us and England. The rest? Couldn't care less 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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