The World Cup thread….

[cheat]

All this “he should have played this player here, moved this player there” is just bollocks.

You can bet your last pound that if Southgate had done that then the same posters would have been calling him an idiot for doing so.

Simple fact is we were unlucky tonight. A close game in which we were the better side, but didn’t win.

It happens sometimes.

[Owling_Wolf]

3 hours ago, HoylandOwl said:

I don’t think we bottled it either. The fact is that they took the chance. Although I’ll still say it and always will. Their first shouldn’t have stood. 

I missed the match 'in transit' and have just seen "their first", although only from one angle. I'd day you're bang right.  

[Beaconowl]

4 hours ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said:

If you haven't learned in your many decades so far that being a Wednesday fan and an England fan is destined for misery then you never will

I can’t disagree with that. My lad blames me for making him support Wednesday and follow England. It is a miserable existence 

[Reesh]

We all know where the fault truly lies

 

John fucking Hemmingham 

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

4 hours ago, Reesh said:

We all know where the fault truly lies

 

John fucking Hemmingham 

The England band

It's fucking coming home

ITV showing the game

All pox on our chances of success

Regards

Sue Perstious

[Andyben]

7 hours ago, cheat said:

All this “he should have played this player here, moved this player there” is just bollocks.

You can bet your last pound that if Southgate had done that then the same posters would have been calling him an idiot for doing so.

Simple fact is we were unlucky tonight. A close game in which we were the better side, but didn’t win.

It happens sometimes.

Really.

I may be wrong (I'm not) but I've been very consistent in my thoughts about Southgate and his team selection since 2018, along with my thoughts on what the XI ought to be.

I want England to win every game and every tournament but they won't with that fraud in charge as evidenced persistently since Russia.

He's a failure and a fraud and at no point deserved to take over the men's team.

[KrolMong]

I thought Southgate got everything right last night. We were the better side by quite a margin. It all boiled down to a couple of very questionable refereeing decisions and a missed penalty. We created the better chances, we had more positive possession and in good areas, our creative players played well.

When we lost to Croatia and Italy, I thought he bottled it. This World Cup, he has taken the brakes off and we have looked better for it, and the more we keep that approach the better we will become.

All we’ve got to do is look to get some coverage for Harry Kane, but other than that, the squad is there.

Massive kudos to Maguire and Stones, who have answered a lot of critics. Henderson was excellent, and that 3 behind Kane caused chaos. And those three are all kids.

[HoylandOwl]

46 minutes ago, KrolMong said:

I thought Southgate got everything right last night. We were the better side by quite a margin. It all boiled down to a couple of very questionable refereeing decisions and a missed penalty. We created the better chances, we had more positive possession and in good areas, our creative players played well.

When we lost to Croatia and Italy, I thought he bottled it. This World Cup, he has taken the brakes off and we have looked better for it, and the more we keep that approach the better we will become.

All we’ve got to do is look to get some coverage for Harry Kane, but other than that, the squad is there.

Massive kudos to Maguire and Stones, who have answered a lot of critics. Henderson was excellent, and that 3 behind Kane caused chaos. And those three are all kids.

This is pretty much where I am. And probably why I was so gutted.

I’ve had a real malaise over England this last couple of years, the friendlies and the Nations League shit performances didn’t help. 
As you say KL, aside from the US game where we seemed too ‘safe’ and predictable, it’s been a decent World Cup until we went out. 

[Reesh]

Has the **** gone yet.

 

The waistcoat wearing nicey nicey penalty missing yes man bastard

[Mark]

I like others gave been really frustrated with some of Southgate approach to games, but I think he has learnt to an extent as we have played more expansive football in this tournament. 

But as Hoyland says, it's that which makes it even more disappointing as if we'd played like that v Italt etc......

[Tylluan]

I think Southgate will be made an offer to go back into club football and will take it. 

[Beaconowl]

It’s time for change. 
 

 

[KrolMong]

I think Southgate will go. And I’ll think we’ll end up with someone that makes Southgate look like Sir Alex.

[Andyben]

Moore?

[Andyben]

6 hours ago, Tylluan said:

I think Southgate will be made an offer to go back into club football and will take it. 

Derby?

 

Who else would take such a failure 

[Andyben]

3 hours ago, KrolMong said:

I think Southgate will go. And I’ll think we’ll end up with someone that makes Southgate look like Sir Alex.

Luis Enrique 

[Tylluan]

3 hours ago, KrolMong said:

I think Southgate will go. And I’ll think we’ll end up with someone that makes Southgate look like Sir Alex.

Howe won't take it now he's at Newcastle. Tuchel wants another club job, as does Poch. Chelsea could use the opportunity and ditch the Potter experiment if the FA came calling. 

Then you have the last 'golden generation' who failed with England as players and haven't pulled any trees up in management either. 

Brendan Rodgers would be available, as will Klopp at the end of this season 

Edited December 11, 2022 by Tylluan

[Andyben]

Potter would work, could Chelsea go for Enrique?

Not Brendan "Gucci Belt" Rodgers or the buck toothed Nazi

Edited December 11, 2022 by Andyben

[HoylandOwl]

Just seen something this morning that apparently Southgate is ‘conflicted’ over his decision on his future. 

[Reesh]

6 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

Just seen something this morning that apparently Southgate is ‘conflicted’ over his decision on his future. 

Southgate, indecisive, not having that.

[Hirstys 12th Pint]

13 hours ago, Andyben said:

Moore?

Moore and Southgate are remarkably similar albeit at different levels of the game.

[HoylandOwl]

Who's winning it now then....?

Just looking at Ladbrokes odds... 

France favourites, Argentina, Croatia, then you can get 9/1 on Morocco.

 

[KrolMong]

I’ll stick to my claim that the World Cup winner was coming from Saturday nights game. So I’m going with France.

That said, i did have a sizable bet on Argentina about 4 weeks before the World Cup.

[owl4ever1867]

5 hours ago, HoylandOwl said:

Who's winning it now then....?

Just looking at Ladbrokes odds... 

France favourites, Argentina, Croatia, then you can get 9/1 on Morocco.

 

France vs Argentina final.

But then who bloody knows with this world cup, we could quite easily have a Croatia vs Morocco final.

[Reesh]

World Cup finished last Saturday lads.

[Skamp]

Argentina will win it. FIFA want Messi to win.  

 

That bent twat from Saturday has now been sent home as his job is done. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[HoylandOwl]

I’ll reply with this before anyone else does…..

 

Southgate?

[Reesh]

21 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

I’ll reply with this before anyone else does…..

 

Southgate?

I thought Ben White was the bent twat sent home from Qatar

 

[Mark]

48 minutes ago, Reesh said:

World Cup finished last Saturday lads.

This. I won't be watching anymore of it

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

1 hour ago, HoylandOwl said:

I’ll reply with this before anyone else does…..

 

Southgate?

IF there was an obvious English manager to replace him then bye bye

Sadly there isn't anyone that has the requisite experience and success at club level to fill those shoes at present 

Howe needs to get into the Champions League with the Geordies and have a relatively successful campaign if they do ie get out the group 

Potter at Chelsea - not really succeeded as yet 

Anyone else 

 

 

[Paul from Wisewood]

2 hours ago, owl4ever1867 said:

France vs Argentina final.

But then who bloody knows with this world cup, we could quite easily have a Croatia vs Morocco final.

Hope the Moroccans put ‘em out 

[KrolMong]

You know. I actually don’t have an issue with Rodgers. His sides have historically been good to watch, and he’s done a very good job at Leicester.

I can’t see Howe or Potter taking it unless either of them get sacked.

Poch would be good too, but he’ll get a top European club, and if Klopp goes at Liverpool, he’ll end up at another top club.

[Tylluan]

1 hour ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said:

IF there was an obvious English manager to replace him then bye bye

Sadly there isn't anyone that has the requisite experience and success at club level to fill those shoes at present 

Howe needs to get into the Champions League with the Geordies and have a relatively successful campaign if they do ie get out the group 

Potter at Chelsea - not really succeeded as yet 

Anyone else 

 

 

Why does the next England manager have to be English and have a proven club pedigree? On that basis Sean Dyche is in with a shout. 

Southgate had a dismal time at Middlesbrough. 

The FA will look for a brand ambassador with, hopefully for England, a tactical and technical nuance that Southgate doesn't quite have. They won't employ anyone that will cause waves or sulk in press conferences. 

[Kiwi Owl]

Personally, I'd be asking Southgate to have one more go at the Euro's knowing this will be his final tournament. Then replace him with Steve Cooper who did a fine job with the youth teams before moving to Swansea City.

Perhaps bring Cooper on board the coaching side during the Euro's if we qualify so that he gets the experience there before taking the job on full time

 

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

11 hours ago, Tylluan said:

Why does the next England manager have to be English and have a proven club pedigree? On that basis Sean Dyche is in with a shout. 

Southgate had a dismal time at Middlesbrough. 

The FA will look for a brand ambassador with, hopefully for England, a tactical and technical nuance that Southgate doesn't quite have. They won't employ anyone that will cause waves or sulk in press conferences. 

They don't have to be English and from soundings it would appear the FA are pondering dipping the toe in that market again. My comment was more that the times we have had a foreign manager were not a success and not that popular in the fan base. 

Dyche has not been successful beyond keeping Burnley in the Premier League 

The FA will probably offer it to the womens team manager 

[owl4ever1867]

Luiz Enrique for me.

[Reesh]

18 minutes ago, owl4ever1867 said:

Luiz Enrique for me.

Based on what?

[Paul from Wisewood]

11 hours ago, Kiwi Owl said:

Personally, I'd be asking Southgate to have one more go at the Euro's knowing this will be his final tournament. Then replace him with Steve Cooper who did a fine job with the youth teams before moving to Swansea City.

Perhaps bring Cooper on board the coaching side during the Euro's if we qualify so that he gets the experience there before taking the job on full time

 

cooper the face of english football

 

[Reesh]

8 minutes ago, Paul from Wisewood said:

cooper the face of english football

 

Cooper, the face of HMS Sheffield

[Mark]

1 hour ago, owl4ever1867 said:

Luiz Enrique for me.

His Spanish team bored me 2 death.

[Otto_Man]

Is Luiz Enrique any relation to Luis Enrique who used to manage Spain? He might be a good option 

[Tylluan]

The FA need to stop running the England team like a club, in that when a new head coach comes in they bring their own backroom team with them. 

To use France as an example; Deschamps is at the head of a 20 strong backroom team and he's only brought 3 of those in. On the coaching staff he has people who've coached successfully outside of the French domestic game. He has positions on his staff like 'player lead' who's the conduit between coach and players. Marcel Desailly has been player lead since 2017 and Edgar Davids holds a similar position with the Dutch and when Van Gaal leaves he will leave his backroom in place for the next man. 

 

[Reesh]

45 minutes ago, Tylluan said:

The FA need to stop running the England team like a club, in that when a new head coach comes in they bring their own backroom team with them. 

To use France as an example; Deschamps is at the head of a 20 strong backroom team and he's only brought 3 of those in. On the coaching staff he has people who've coached successfully outside of the French domestic game. He has positions on his staff like 'player lead' who's the conduit between coach and players. Marcel Desailly has been player lead since 2017 and Edgar Davids holds a similar position with the Dutch and when Van Gaal leaves he will leave his backroom in place for the next man. 

 

I'd be more worried about having Bobby Page run my national side than I would the England set up.

[Tylluan]

55 minutes ago, Reesh said:

I'd be more worried about having Bobby Page run my national side than I would the England set up.

I am worried. 

I want him gone along with Bale, Ramsey and a couple more and a four year plan put in place to build a team around the younger players. Michael O'Neill would have been my first choice but he's gone back to Northern Ireland so I'll take Steve Cooper if he gets chopped at Forest

[Reesh]

2 minutes ago, Tylluan said:

I am worried. 

I want him gone along with Bale, Ramsey and a couple more and a four year plan put in place to build a team around the younger players. Michael O'Neill would have been my first choice but he's gone back to Northern Ireland so I'll take Steve Cooper if he gets chopped at Forest

As much as the Welsh hate the English they are happy to play Englishmen and have them manage them. 

 

How quaint.

[Tylluan]

38 minutes ago, Neville Facking Bartos said:

As if Cooper would take on Wales 😂

Cooper interviewed when Giggs got the role

[HoylandOwl]

Anyway.

Argentina to go through then, that 2nd goal…. Croatia’s defending was …. Laughable. 

[Tylluan]

1 hour ago, Reesh said:

As much as the Welsh hate the English they are happy to play Englishmen and have them manage them. 

 

How quaint.

Cooper's Welsh. Born in Pontypridd. 

So one of the most successful England youth coaches of recent times, u17 Euros runners up and semi finalists, u17 World cup winners, and responsible for bringing Foden, Sancho, Hudson-Odoi, Smith-Rowe, Saka into the England set up is Welsh.

He also oversaw a major over haul of England's thinking around in possession-out possession tactics and constructed specific modules for coaching within the National set up which Southgate used in Russia 2018. 

To paraphrase the famous Goodness Gracious Me sketch. Groundwork for England's 2018 run to the semis and Euro 2020 final - Welshman. Overhaul of England's coaching infrastructure after Hodgson - Welshman. Saka, Foden etc coming through the ranks- Welshman. Most successful England coach of the last 20 years. Welshman. 

And let's not forget. Cooper's been mentioned on here as a possible replacement for Southgate. 

And most Welsh don't hate the English, not at football anyway. We laugh when the bigger nation fucks up, in much the same way England fans laugh at Germany for not getting out of the group stage (again). 

Edited December 13, 2022 by Tylluan

[Reesh]

9 minutes ago, Tylluan said:

Cooper's Welsh. Born in Pontypridd. 

So one of the most successful England youth coaches of recent times, u17 Euros runners up and semi finalists, u17 World cup winners, and responsible for bringing Foden, Sancho, Hudson-Odoi, Smith-Rowe, Saka into the England set up is Welsh.

He also oversaw a major over haul of England's thinking around in possession-out possession tactics and constructed specific modules for coaching within the National set up which Southgate used in Russia 2018. 

To paraphrase the famous Goodness Gracious Me sketch. Groundwork for England's 2018 run to the semis and Euro 2020 final - Welshman. Overhaul of England's coaching infrastructure after Hodgson - Welshman. Saka, Foden etc coming through the ranks- Welshman. Most successful England coach of the last 20 years. Welshman. 

And let's not forget. Cooper's been mentioned on here as a possible replacement for Southgate. 

And most Welsh don't hate the English, not at football anyway. We laugh when the bigger nation fucks up, in much the same way England fans laugh at Germany for not getting out of the group stage (again). 

We? You're fucking English.

[Winco]

Messi showing what he’s about now.