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15 minutes ago, Mark said:

Nonsense to suggest he, or anyone, bottled it tonight

He did. 

He put the anchors on Walker (best RB in the world for the past 5yrs plus)  to deal with Mbappe which nullified our right as an attacking threat, Saka had to change his game to accommodate that. 

If he'd have played a midfielder with legs in place of Henderson, Walker could have attacked more often

Subs were too little too late.

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9 minutes ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said:

We will never know, but there would certainly be nothing more England than beating France and then losing to Morocco.

Not convinced the French will find it at all easy against them 

But tbh England got as far as I expected, so not gutted as we lost to the World champions in a 50 50 game, we played well and  Kane crumbled under pressure at the wrong time. I guess social media is hammering him for missing

Yes I tend to agree we got as far as I thought. I think I'm more gutted because we actually played better than I thought and possibly could have won. Fine margins. 

France will beat Morocco. They have that look about them that they will slways do just enough 

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1 minute ago, Andyben said:

He did. 

He put the anchors on Walker (best RB in the world for the past 5yrs plus)  to deal with Mbappe which nullified our right as an attacking threat, Saka had to change his game to accommodate that. 

If he'd have played a midfielder with legs in place of Henderson, Walker could have attacked more often

Subs were too little too late.

I agree with midfielder with legs. But who?

Mbappe was by and large, quiet for s reason and Saka had a good game. Not sure why took him off

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3 minutes ago, Mark said:

I agree with midfielder with legs. But who?

Mbappe was by and large, quiet for s reason and Saka had a good game. Not sure why took him off

We are missing a world class player in there. Build around Bellingham for sure, sadly look around the centre mid positions in the top 6 of the Premier League and there ain't many to choose from

The spine is the weaker element of the squad and where we need to improve for the next tournaments

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Looking at what was available, we could have put Dier central and had Rice where  Henderson was, or matched them up at 4231 with those two holding and Bellingham central which would have kept Rabiot and Tchouameni busy (and starved Greizman).

I would love to see Foden and Bellingham either side of Rice though - which would have meant Rashford starting.

France would have shit themselves 

Sterling coming on and crossing from deep, maybe 15 yards inside their half showed a real fear.

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A good game of football with both teams trying to win

Great ball in for the winner

England missed a pen to equalise

 

No need for any more psychobabble. Things just happen, you don't have to find a narrative after the event

 

If the first pen had been given we wouldn't have got the other two we did get as those incidents would not have happened

 

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14 minutes ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said:

We are missing a world class player in there. Build around Bellingham for sure, sadly look around the centre mid positions in the top 6 of the Premier League and there ain't many to choose from

The spine is the weaker element of the squad and where we need to improve for the next tournaments

Pep will have Foden playing there within two years, like with Iniesta.

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All this “he should have played this player here, moved this player there” is just bollocks.

You can bet your last pound that if Southgate had done that then the same posters would have been calling him an idiot for doing so.

Simple fact is we were unlucky tonight. A close game in which we were the better side, but didn’t win.

It happens sometimes.

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3 hours ago, HoylandOwl said:

I don’t think we bottled it either. The fact is that they took the chance. Although I’ll still say it and always will. Their first shouldn’t have stood. 

I missed the match 'in transit' and have just seen "their first", although only from one angle. I'd day you're bang right.  

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4 hours ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said:

If you haven't learned in your many decades so far that being a Wednesday fan and an England fan is destined for misery then you never will

I can’t disagree with that. My lad blames me for making him support Wednesday and follow England. It is a miserable existence 

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7 hours ago, cheat said:

All this “he should have played this player here, moved this player there” is just bollocks.

You can bet your last pound that if Southgate had done that then the same posters would have been calling him an idiot for doing so.

Simple fact is we were unlucky tonight. A close game in which we were the better side, but didn’t win.

It happens sometimes.

Really.

I may be wrong (I'm not) but I've been very consistent in my thoughts about Southgate and his team selection since 2018, along with my thoughts on what the XI ought to be.

I want England to win every game and every tournament but they won't with that fraud in charge as evidenced persistently since Russia.

He's a failure and a fraud and at no point deserved to take over the men's team.

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I thought Southgate got everything right last night. We were the better side by quite a margin. It all boiled down to a couple of very questionable refereeing decisions and a missed penalty. We created the better chances, we had more positive possession and in good areas, our creative players played well.

When we lost to Croatia and Italy, I thought he bottled it. This World Cup, he has taken the brakes off and we have looked better for it, and the more we keep that approach the better we will become.

All we’ve got to do is look to get some coverage for Harry Kane, but other than that, the squad is there.

Massive kudos to Maguire and Stones, who have answered a lot of critics. Henderson was excellent, and that 3 behind Kane caused chaos. And those three are all kids.

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2 hours ago, Andyben said:

Really.

I may be wrong (I'm not) but I've been very consistent in my thoughts about Southgate and his team selection since 2018, along with my thoughts on what the XI ought to be.

I want England to win every game and every tournament but they won't with that fraud in charge as evidenced persistently since Russia.

He's a failure and a fraud and at no point deserved to take over the men's team.

I think we keep him, the work he has done in bringing the squad together can not be underestimated

Yes, evidence shows that at times he’s made mistakes but I think the players believe in him and respect him. More importantly is he’s got them respecting each other.

I thought we were desperately unlucky last night, the much better side overall. If we made one error it’s that we showed France too much respect until going a goal down 

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46 minutes ago, KrolMong said:

I thought Southgate got everything right last night. We were the better side by quite a margin. It all boiled down to a couple of very questionable refereeing decisions and a missed penalty. We created the better chances, we had more positive possession and in good areas, our creative players played well.

When we lost to Croatia and Italy, I thought he bottled it. This World Cup, he has taken the brakes off and we have looked better for it, and the more we keep that approach the better we will become.

All we’ve got to do is look to get some coverage for Harry Kane, but other than that, the squad is there.

Massive kudos to Maguire and Stones, who have answered a lot of critics. Henderson was excellent, and that 3 behind Kane caused chaos. And those three are all kids.

This is pretty much where I am. And probably why I was so gutted.

I’ve had a real malaise over England this last couple of years, the friendlies and the Nations League shit performances didn’t help. 
As you say KL, aside from the US game where we seemed too ‘safe’ and predictable, it’s been a decent World Cup until we went out. 

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I like others gave been really frustrated with some of Southgate approach to games, but I think he has learnt to an extent as we have played more expansive football in this tournament. 

But as Hoyland says, it's that which makes it even more disappointing as if we'd played like that v Italt etc......

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3 hours ago, KrolMong said:

I think Southgate will go. And I’ll think we’ll end up with someone that makes Southgate look like Sir Alex.

Howe won't take it now he's at Newcastle. Tuchel wants another club job, as does Poch. Chelsea could use the opportunity and ditch the Potter experiment if the FA came calling. 

Then you have the last 'golden generation' who failed with England as players and haven't pulled any trees up in management either. 

Brendan Rodgers would be available, as will Klopp at the end of this season 

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1 hour ago, HoylandOwl said:

I’ll reply with this before anyone else does…..

 

Southgate?

IF there was an obvious English manager to replace him then bye bye

Sadly there isn't anyone that has the requisite experience and success at club level to fill those shoes at present 

Howe needs to get into the Champions League with the Geordies and have a relatively successful campaign if they do ie get out the group 

Potter at Chelsea - not really succeeded as yet 

Anyone else 

 

 

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You know. I actually don’t have an issue with Rodgers. His sides have historically been good to watch, and he’s done a very good job at Leicester.

I can’t see Howe or Potter taking it unless either of them get sacked.

Poch would be good too, but he’ll get a top European club, and if Klopp goes at Liverpool, he’ll end up at another top club.

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1 hour ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said:

IF there was an obvious English manager to replace him then bye bye

Sadly there isn't anyone that has the requisite experience and success at club level to fill those shoes at present 

Howe needs to get into the Champions League with the Geordies and have a relatively successful campaign if they do ie get out the group 

Potter at Chelsea - not really succeeded as yet 

Anyone else 

 

 

Why does the next England manager have to be English and have a proven club pedigree? On that basis Sean Dyche is in with a shout. 

Southgate had a dismal time at Middlesbrough. 

The FA will look for a brand ambassador with, hopefully for England, a tactical and technical nuance that Southgate doesn't quite have. They won't employ anyone that will cause waves or sulk in press conferences. 

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Personally, I'd be asking Southgate to have one more go at the Euro's knowing this will be his final tournament. Then replace him with Steve Cooper who did a fine job with the youth teams before moving to Swansea City.

Perhaps bring Cooper on board the coaching side during the Euro's if we qualify so that he gets the experience there before taking the job on full time

 

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11 hours ago, Tylluan said:

Why does the next England manager have to be English and have a proven club pedigree? On that basis Sean Dyche is in with a shout. 

Southgate had a dismal time at Middlesbrough. 

The FA will look for a brand ambassador with, hopefully for England, a tactical and technical nuance that Southgate doesn't quite have. They won't employ anyone that will cause waves or sulk in press conferences. 

They don't have to be English and from soundings it would appear the FA are pondering dipping the toe in that market again. My comment was more that the times we have had a foreign manager were not a success and not that popular in the fan base. 

Dyche has not been successful beyond keeping Burnley in the Premier League 

The FA will probably offer it to the womens team manager 

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11 hours ago, Kiwi Owl said:

Personally, I'd be asking Southgate to have one more go at the Euro's knowing this will be his final tournament. Then replace him with Steve Cooper who did a fine job with the youth teams before moving to Swansea City.

Perhaps bring Cooper on board the coaching side during the Euro's if we qualify so that he gets the experience there before taking the job on full time

 

cooper the face of english football

 

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