TINK91 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 5 minutes ago, owl4ever1867 said: As we stand 16th March. All isn't lost - we are still in this. Thought we might have to take no points in the last two games going into March but the manner today has been a kicker. 8 games and thankfully no one above won. Hope today is a massive shake up Talk about needing to just put it behind them. 🙈 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 The only positive is we are still in touching distance. Worries me we have still to play Norwich and West Brom, on form footballing sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellsview Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 3 minutes ago, Bronco said: Wait on. Rotherham scored 3 at their place. Ipswich usually concede goals. Why did we have to go down nil to 6. Let Rohl try to talk his way out of that but who would listen? When we did create chances, one from Poveda excepted which the keeper did well to turn round the post, the ‘quality’ of strike, if quality is the right term to use, was absolutely fucking abysmal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 As bad as today was, does anybody think we won't win 3 of the next 4? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Not checked if accurate but last time apparently we conceded 6 was Sept 2008 v Reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 4 minutes ago, Andyben said: As bad as today was, does anybody think we won't win 3 of the next 4? Depends if Rohl goes back to basics and not think we can play Bannan in a 2 in midfield Be a blow if Poveda has done his hamstring - not likely to see him again this season if that is the case. But he doesn't seem to have grasped that 4 attacking players leaves us defending most the match, chasing shadows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Very poor result. Find it difficult to believe Rohl, Powell and Pederson have sat down and agreed how we set up today. As others have said have Ipswich not been scouted ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 17 minutes ago, Bronco said: Wait on. Rotherham scored 3 at their place. Ipswich usually concede goals. Why did we have to go down nil to 6. Let Rohl try to talk his way out of that but who would listen? Shut up **** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 7 minutes ago, mkowl said: Not checked if accurate but last time apparently we conceded 6 was Sept 2008 v Reading. 7 v City in 2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 13 minutes ago, Bronco said: It's not taking no points that matters. But losing 6-0 to any side is just not on. Nobhead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 Just now, Bronco said: Our goal difference has gone south since Rohl came in, largely due to multiple heavy defeats. I know we can't stay up on goal difference but did it have to be as bad as it is? Eat shit you racist prick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamblor Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 That table is more than acceptable given the last two fixtures we’ve had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 Just now, Bronco said: Isn't anyone angry? Yeah Reading your posts. It's like someone has given a retard Internet access. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 2 minutes ago, Bronco said: Look at the Darmstadt fan giving his team what for after a defeat like we just had. It's on u tube somewhere Fuck off prick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 1 minute ago, Bronco said: There's no law against that. There should be. You're a **** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theman Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Bad loss but time to move on, 5 wins needed from the last 8, still in with a chance of staying up 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 17 minutes ago, Bronco said: Isn't anyone angry? Frustrated for sure, but Rohl has got us competitive when playing 19 other teams in this League. Why he feels the need to try and match up v footballing sides at the top.of the table. He has more faith in their abilities than I think is due when playing the top 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 44 minutes ago, mkowl said: The only positive is we are still in touching distance. Worries me we have still to play Norwich and West Brom, on form footballing sides. Me too. That's why I posted it earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M42Owl Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Conceding 6 is always bad. But angry? No. The two teams above us had easily winnable games whilst we had one we all expected to lose. They got a point between them and we’re no further off safety than we were this morning. Possible Injury to Poveda aside, overall, its a good set off results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 45 minutes ago, Andyben said: As bad as today was, does anybody think we won't win 3 of the next 4? Me, especially if Poveda's out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 3 minutes ago, Bronco said: I think you are giving Rohl too much rope. This was Ipswich's biggest win of the season and we offered no resistance from the kick off. Why should it not happen again? Talking of rope, go hang yersen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelters Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 14 minutes ago, Bronco said: I think you are giving Rohl too much rope. This was Ipswich's biggest win of the season and we offered no resistance from the kick off. Why should it not happen again? He’s earned a bit of slack surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 1 minute ago, Chelters said: He’s earned a bit of slack surely? Not for old xenophobic Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 18 minutes ago, Bronco said: I think you are giving Rohl too much rope. This was Ipswich's biggest win of the season and we offered no resistance from the kick off. Why should it not happen again? TBF they were playing the team second bottom of the table at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 14 minutes ago, Chelters said: He’s earned a bit of slack surely? For now, but any other manager in recent times would have been absolutely slated after today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 Just now, mkowl said: For now, but any other manager in recent times would have been absolutely slated after today. We are a year or so behind Ipswich in our trajectory, if Röhl manages to keep us up and is backed then I am optimistic days like today will be few and far between however the tendency to have games like that is becoming a tad too repetitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellsview Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 5 wins from 8 and we are definitely safe. 4 wins from 8 and it’s still possible. Less than that and who knows? Today’s result changes nothing. We’re still in charge of our own destiny. If there is a game(s) that we might look back on it’s that 4-0 reversal at The McAlpine (and the home defeat to Millwall), not the one today. They are the results that might have the biggest impact on where we finish in the league this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl4ever1867 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 1 hour ago, Andyben said: As bad as today was, does anybody think we won't win 3 of the next 4? Next 4 games : Swansea (H) Middlesbrough (A) QPR (A) Norwich (H) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 Just now, Bronco said: Well said If i wanted your opinion I'd have asked for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 1 minute ago, Bronco said: You'll get it whether you want it or not Unless I block your account due to you being a racist prick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 16 minutes ago, Reesh said: We are a year or so behind Ipswich in our trajectory, if Röhl manages to keep us up and is backed then I am optimistic days like today will be few and far between however the tendency to have games like that is becoming a tad too repetitive. I think it just re-iterates that whilst we got promoted last season it was built with no coherent plan. We have played catch up as a result, in a league that rarely permits you to do that. The gap today in quality was startling, but its the mentality aspect concerned me more. We need to see more fight when we go behind 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billysboy Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 1 hour ago, mkowl said: The concern is more that after a week on the training pitch that was the preferred way to play. Did someone never watch Ipswich play. Well this is where some supporters need to step back a bit regarding Roel being the next Klopp. He's learning as he goes along, today he made mistakes with formation, but he's part of a coaching team so surely Powell and co have input. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 4 minutes ago, Bronco said: What makes today's result even more unacceptable is that Ipswich were without their top scorer Oh just fuck off you boring old spunktrumpet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl71 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 We don’t draw many with Röhl. He picks and sets up his sides to get at the opposition’s weaknesses. Yep, when the wheels come off they really do come off. With a more cautious approach we’d basically already be down, but yes we may have avoided any single game as embarrassing as today. I don’t want to get relegated while avoiding any really humiliating results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl71 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Also, some of the players need to look at themselves after that. A basic lack of determination defending your own box is not down to how the team is set up when in possession. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billysboy Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 11 minutes ago, owl71 said: We don’t draw many with Röhl. He picks and sets up his sides to get at the opposition’s weaknesses. Yep, when the wheels come off they really do come off. With a more cautious approach we’d basically already be down, but yes we may have avoided any single game as embarrassing as today. I don’t want to get relegated while avoiding any really humiliating results. Pretty sure if he sticks with this ideology for the next 8 games we win more than we lose. It's just against the big hitters your chances are higher of coming unstuck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 11 minutes ago, owl71 said: We don’t draw many with Röhl. He picks and sets up his sides to get at the opposition’s weaknesses. Yep, when the wheels come off they really do come off. With a more cautious approach we’d basically already be down, but yes we may have avoided any single game as embarrassing as today. I don’t want to get relegated while avoiding any really humiliating results. I think you have to pick and choose when it's appropriate to try different things though. Football is about finding weaknesses for sure, but sometimes it's nullifying the opposition strengths first. Rohl needs to accept we ain't out footballing teams with this squad, keep it tight, frustrate teams and perhaps sneak one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINK91 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 3 hours ago, Bronco said: It's not taking no points that matters. But losing 6-0 to any side is just not on. I know mate, I'm just trying to see it as a game we were expected to lose and hope Danny understands he needs to do a hell of a lot of work now and the team can refocus We have taken beatings before when in a much better position and it's been unexpected so I've got the blinkers on and fingers crossed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Theman Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradowl Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Not been today as I'm away on hols, (Benidorm the place is mental) 🤣 Weren't expecting much but 6-0, I couldn't bloody believe it. Having seen starting line up I'm a little bit confused by the team that started, we've looked ok with 3 central defenders and 2 wing backs getting forward at every opportunity so I'm surprised to see we went with what looked an attacking formation. Playing teams at top maybe it would have been better to park the bus and try and grind out a result. I don't like knocking Rohl because I think he's going to be a top manager but he's still got a bit of learning to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holmesfield_owl Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 2 hours ago, bradowl said: Not been today as I'm away on hols, (Benidorm the place is mental) 🤣 Weren't expecting much but 6-0, I couldn't bloody believe it. Having seen starting line up I'm a little bit confused by the team that started, we've looked ok with 3 central defenders and 2 wing backs getting forward at every opportunity so I'm surprised to see we went with what looked an attacking formation. Playing teams at top maybe it would have been better to park the bus and try and grind out a result. I don't like knocking Rohl because I think he's going to be a top manager but he's still got a bit of learning to do. Sad similar, these defeats are just going to make Rohl better and better, and still one hundred percent believe he'll keep us up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickswfc Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 After the Plymouth win, if someone offered me that table after these two games I'd probably have taken it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickswfc Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 4 hours ago, holmesfield_owl said: Sad similar, these defeats are just going to make Rohl better and better, and still one hundred percent believe he'll keep us up I agree We've had bad results under Rohl already and he has always overseen a reaction We'll stop up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradowl Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Most of other results going for us yesterday was big bonus. We definitely need to pick points up over Easter though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrolMong Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Very interesting comments from Rohl when he compared Ipswich and Wednesday. A barbed attack on the infrastructure of our own club? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 I mean it's admirable in his post match interview that he did not want us to be just there to defend. I mean with Moore last season it felt like we parked the bus playing a lot of sides even with the better players. It was refreshing that he took full on responsibility for the tactical approach, he was let down by the players application at the same time but for me it stemmed by changing the formation from 3 5 2 type. Whilst identifying their left back as a potential weak link, it nullified Johnson as a wing back. Iorfa equally is not a right back. We have all identified really that Bannan / Vaulks as a midfield 2 simply does not work. So we seemed to be outnumbered both on the wings and in the middle at the same time. And I like the fact that whilst Ipswich have all this quick pass and move, it's topped by an old school centre forward that bullied the defence as well. To add that we conceded from a set piece again We conceded in first half injury time again We conceded straight after half time which seems reasonably often On the basis we have 8 Cup Finals now, we know that requires being in the game for as long as possible. You can't be experimenting formation wise in these Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheExile Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 13 hours ago, owl71 said: Also, some of the players need to look at themselves after that. A basic lack of determination defending your own box is not down to how the team is set up when in possession. Yeah amongst the team there does seem to be a down tools trait when it’s going wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 minute ago, KrolMong said: Very interesting comments from Rohl when he compared Ipswich and Wednesday. A barbed attack on the infrastructure of our own club? I mean you can interpret that either way. It's a compliment to Ipswich or a dig. I mean my opinion has always been that Chansiri's funds have not changed the underlying foundations of the Club. You can argue money has been spent, but its little more than a patch up job. In the meantime more Clubs have leapfrogged us. People will argue that funds are spent on the players, that will always be the priority for sure. But when does it become chicken and egg. Ok players will always focus on the £s paid but if you get similar offers where you going. The one with shiny facilities or not At Wednesday it goes further, I mean we have a very streamlined top management structure, but can you run a fairly complicated business where Chansiri is the sole decision maker. Not for me to tell 1867 how to do their work but this is really where I would be focusing. I don't think we have regressed per se, more others have progressed and have a long term plan that is now bearing fruit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 To add plenty will argue that Chansiri is appearing to have changed philosophy. But it always feels we are followers of fashion never the leader. That Chansiri might change his mind on a whim anyway. If we end up relegated, I cannot see Rohl volunteering for a season in League 1 on his CV. In any event Chansiri will want an immediate return so the recruitment policy will focus on achieving that not surviving in the Championship. Groundhog Day ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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