Tewksbury Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 I'm convinced DR has written these top 4-5 games off and uses them for training and concentrates on the winnable games. Every single one we have an interesting of not downright experimental lineup before reverting to a more balanced setup against the easier teams. Anyways, we're still well on the way to staying up, yesterday's results put us in a stringer position despite the loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 43 minutes ago, Bronco said: Amazing how anyone can see a 6-0 pasting as a sign we will stay up. To me it is indicative of a relegation side and I take no positives from it. Shut up you fuckwit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewksbury Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 54 minutes ago, Bronco said: Amazing how anyone can see a 6-0 pasting as a sign we will stay up. To me it is indicative of a relegation side and I take no positives from it. Because it's not as bad in comparison to draws with Rotherham, Sunderland and Middlesborough or losses v Watford, Preston and Norwich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, Bronco said: Amazing how anyone can see a 6-0 pasting as a sign we will stay up. To me it is indicative of a relegation side and I take no positives from it. Why is your username after a **** who dragged the club he supported through the mud and cost them on and off the pitch. Says to me you're a Pig masquerading as a Wednesday fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, Tank_Owl2,0 said: btw I wonder where they got that Australian midfielder he looked decent, would have slotted nicely in our team 😒 i suspect he would have fitted neatly into the treatment room if he was still with us. But if fit then no argument. What folk have to realise is Bannan needs either 2 around him or his time is up at Championship level 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, Reesh said: Why is your username after a **** who dragged the club he supported through the mud and cost them on and off the pitch. Says to me you're a Pig masquerading as a Wednesday fan. Doesn't post after a good performances. Snipes after a bad one..... usually aimed at Röhl. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 6 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said: Doesn't post after a good performances. Snipes after a bad one..... usually aimed at Röhl. We've established he's a racist ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 minute ago, Bellsview said: ......... At the start of the season I said I’d happily take fourth bottom and I still would. Strongly suspect only bottom 3 would make him/her happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 He perhaps wants Darren Moore back who has 3 wins in 31 games since leaving us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrySpeakup Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Comment on EFL highlights last night “Port Vale still waiting for Darren Moore’s methods to take effect” Played 8 Won 0 Drawn 1 Lost 7 For 5 Against 16 Points 1 And taking them from 5th bottom to 2nd from bottom 6 points adrift I think you’ll find that that is his effect and you’ve signed up for 5 years of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 14 minutes ago, HarrySpeakup said: Comment on EFL highlights last night “Port Vale still waiting for Darren Moore’s methods to take effect” Played 8 Won 0 Drawn 1 Lost 7 For 5 Against 16 Points 1 And taking them from 5th bottom to 2nd from bottom 6 points adrift I think you’ll find that that is his effect and you’ve signed up for 5 years of it It's not as if they'll be treated to a swahbuckling, entertaining style to assuage the despondency of negative results either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Millwall showing the alternative method of playing a top of the league side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 4 minutes ago, mkowl said: Millwall showing the alternative method of playing a top of the league side. And still losing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 How they getting on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 7 minutes ago, Reesh said: And still losing. I didn't say it would work 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewksbury Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 2 hours ago, HarrySpeakup said: Comment on EFL highlights last night “Port Vale still waiting for Darren Moore’s methods to take effect” Played 8 Won 0 Drawn 1 Lost 7 For 5 Against 16 Points 1 And taking them from 5th bottom to 2nd from bottom 6 points adrift I think you’ll find that that is his effect and you’ve signed up for 5 years of it The problem is that most of the protesting was based on Darren Moore getting us promoted despite Chansiri not backing him and Chansiri lying about his exit, because DM is 'too honourable' to lie about it. So now, with the accounts out and DM's subsequent performances, that the first isn't true and the fact that DM seems to have lied on at least two recent job applications making the latter look increasingly untrue too, maybe Chansiri deserves a little credit for supporting him with everything needed for promotion and maybe he was telling the truth about DM's exit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Didn't Moore eventually admit he'd asked for 4x the wage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewksbury Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 4 minutes ago, Andyben said: Didn't Moore eventually admit he'd asked for 4x the wage. He did, on a phone interview with the Star, after spending all summer telling everyone he met it was bollocks. Some lass on X went to the 'Evening with' thing a couple of days before and posted that he told her it wasn't true a couple of days before. Think it was deleted as I couldn't find it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAL Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 But, it can't be true. Carlton told everybody the truth. Carlton said DM had told him he hadn't asked for it and it wasn't true. Carlton knows everything. About Fookall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 19 minutes ago, Tewksbury said: He did, on a phone interview with the Star, after spending all summer telling everyone he met it was bollocks. Some lass on X went to the 'Evening with' thing a couple of days before and posted that he told her it wasn't true a couple of days before. Think it was deleted as I couldn't find it again. 6 minutes ago, MAL said: But, it can't be true. Carlton told everybody the truth. Carlton said DM had told him he hadn't asked for it and it wasn't true. Carlton knows everything. About Fookall Criticising Club Legends. Criticising Former Managers. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewksbury Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 3 minutes ago, Andyben said: Criticising Club Legends. Criticising Former Managers. ... The biggest take is that if what Chansiri said is true, and DM was spreading an alternate view, then the off-season debacle can be laid squarely at DM's feet. Who's going to sign for a club that can't fund the season, then sacks a promotion winning manager for pushing back about it? How far over the odds did we have to pay to get the ones who would? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 8 minutes ago, Bronco said: Did you expect a 6-0 drubbing? Nobody expects a 6-0 drubbing. Sometimes shit happens when a decent team has effectively won the game at HT. They can relax and play football, the losing side gets demoralised. Millwall tried the park the bus option and still lost 2 Nil. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 14 minutes ago, Bronco said: Did you expect a 6-0 drubbing? Shut up ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 10 minutes ago, Bronco said: Did you expect a 6-0 drubbing? Had no expectations in terms in of goals. If we respond like we did after the last hiding - 5 wins out of six I'll be happy enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 15 minutes ago, Bronco said: Did you expect a 6-0 drubbing? Why are you a racist? Why is your username after a man who disgraced this club more than any 6 nil loss will ever do? You fucking Pig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 1 minute ago, Bronco said: And so will I. You won't be on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billysboy Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 7 hours ago, Bronco said: Amazing how anyone can see a 6-0 pasting as a sign we will stay up. To me it is indicative of a relegation side and I take no positives from it. Did you say this after the Arsenal game😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 2 hours ago, MAL said: Carlton said DM had told him he hadn't asked for it... Technically true, m'lud. It was Moore's agent. But it would be interesting if Carlton is ever asked the question again. Him and Shez are doing 'an evening with' at Grange Golf Club, Rotherham 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billysboy Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 2 hours ago, Tylluan said: Technically true, m'lud. It was Moore's agent. But it would be interesting if Carlton is ever asked the question again. Him and Shez are doing 'an evening with' at Grange Golf Club, Rotherham Old Carlton, slags the club off while still making a bit of a living of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlinMad Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 14 hours ago, mkowl said: I wasn't at Agincourt away I was 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 6 hours ago, Tewksbury said: The biggest take is that if what Chansiri said is true, and DM was spreading an alternate view, then the off-season debacle can be laid squarely at DM's feet. Who's going to sign for a club that can't fund the season, then sacks a promotion winning manager for pushing back about it? How far over the odds did we have to pay to get the ones who would? "Alternate"? WTF? Eeeuuurrrggghhh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I’ve held back off posting following the game, deliberately as it just annoyed me so much. While I didn’t expect much from it, a draw would have been nice, it was just the manner and attitude of some of the team. Now before I ‘go on’, it’s not all gone to hell, I’m not saying we’re relegated and we’ve no chance. Because that would be absurd. Our destiny is in our hands still and we’ve bounced back massively from setbacks before in recent months. What really got to me is how for so much of the game after they opened the scoring was how we were on our heels.l, waiting for things to happen, trying to react (or not even bothering in some cases) to when they had possession. The ones that really got to me, were the two goals by their sub, that lad from Wimbledon who’s name escapes me right now. His first, while Beadle maybe could have done better and not palmed it in the direction he did, the ‘reaction’ from the whole defence was laughable. Stood, watching. Then the last one, Bernard. Watch him. Stands still as their lad 8 yards out just moseys past him without as much as an ounce of effort, then he’s there 5 yards out waiting to receive a pull back from 6 yards away. Our defence are again like statues. Game over or not at that point, that was horrific defending. Fair play for DR coming out and taking responsibility for things, on how he setup, and it felt quite like the Saints (a) game where we went for it and got burned, badly. There’s something admirable about trying to take the game to the opposition, but, there’s no disgrace in being a little more pragmatic in a game like that either. DR is learning, and he’s still 100% right for the job IMO, yet it’s still right to have criticisms about his decisions too. As people have said. 8 cup finals now. Home games are so vital to our fortunes, and if feels like we have to bounce back against Swansea. We need a reaction, like the one we got post Huddersfield, and the positive is, we can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Yep: not technically but it does feel like we need to beat Swansea. We'd won 5 out of 6. Need to get straight back on that level, and against a team that's just won their biggest game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 7 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said: Yep: not technically but it does feel like we need to beat Swansea. We'd won 5 out of 6. Need to get straight back on that level, and against a team that's just won their biggest game. The Swansea win v Cardiff might not be a bad thing. They were always the ones on the edge of the relegation risk and this might give them an air of mid table comfort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrolMong Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 We need 13 points from 8 games including games at home to West Brom and Norwich and away trips to Boro and Sunderland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 So win the other four and just 1 point from them. Piece of piss 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, KrolMong said: We need 13 points from 8 games including games at home to West Brom and Norwich and away trips to Boro and Sunderland. We need to hope Boro are their mid table self and then West Brom on their pre Play Offs rest and Sunderland on the beach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 35 minutes ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said: We need to hope Boro are their mid table self and then West Brom on their pre Play Offs rest and Sunderland on the beach. We just need to be at our best. There. Corrected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBO Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 On 16/03/2024 at 17:06, JBO said: 40% of today's Championship goals were scored by Ipswich The highest percentage in one day in the same division with a minimum of 9 games since 1899. Stick it on the honours board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 12 hours ago, JBO said: The highest percentage in one day in the same division with a minimum of 9 games since 1899. Stick it on the honours board Whilst I like an interesting fact (almost as much as a boring anecdote) the reality here was the dearth of goals elsewhere rather than our porous defence. The Championship is a great league that as a surprisingly large number of poor games where sides nullify each other. Long advocate of reducing the number of league games back to 42 and sacking off 4 midweek rounds. I don't think the impact on finances would be that great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewksbury Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 2 minutes ago, mkowl said: Whilst I like an interesting fact (almost as much as a boring anecdote) the reality here was the dearth of goals elsewhere rather than our porous defence. The Championship is a great league that as a surprisingly large number of poor games where sides nullify each other. Long advocate of reducing the number of league games back to 42 and sacking off 4 midweek rounds. I don't think the impact on finances would be that great Seems that whether the top few teams score is much more on how they play than what their opponents did. More about whether they're up for it or not, or just not hitting the target. The teams down here, it's more like League One, who makes the fewest mistakes wins. Goals come more from defensive mistakes than good attacking play. Watching some teams recently Birmingham, Boro, Stoke, 91% of Blackburn, they could be playing all weekend and not create a goal, there was a thing on the Welsh Derby that showed the percentage if set piece goals, it was about 40% for lower teams. Reducing the games played to 42 would mean the EPL having to play less overseas friendlies and mess up their P&S. Can't have that. Klopp would stay on another year at Liverpool just to whine about it every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 8 minutes ago, Tewksbury said: Seems that whether the top few teams score is much more on how they play than what their opponents did. More about whether they're up for it or not, or just not hitting the target. The teams down here, it's more like League One, who makes the fewest mistakes wins. Goals come more from defensive mistakes than good attacking play. Watching some teams recently Birmingham, Boro, Stoke, 91% of Blackburn, they could be playing all weekend and not create a goal, there was a thing on the Welsh Derby that showed the percentage if set piece goals, it was about 40% for lower teams. Reducing the games played to 42 would mean the EPL having to play less overseas friendlies and mess up their P&S. Can't have that. Klopp would stay on another year at Liverpool just to whine about it every day. The EPL would never change, the only way that would go is down to 34 so they could have a refreshing mid season break to replenish the coffers. I mean my plan would mean 2 clubs less in the EFL (would keep 46 games in League 1 and 2 but banish any postponements for international call ups). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewksbury Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 2 minutes ago, mkowl said: The EPL would never change, the only way that would go is down to 34 so they could have a refreshing mid season break to replenish the coffers. I mean my plan would mean 2 clubs less in the EFL (would keep 46 games in League 1 and 2 but banish any postponements for international call ups). My issue with that is that the jump from National League to L2 is brutal. Every team in the 72 is there on merit. L1 and 2 already have the FA trophy with group stages to pkay in in top, so reducing the Championship load is a bit unfair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 35 minutes ago, mkowl said: Whilst I like an interesting fact (almost as much as a boring anecdote) the reality here was the dearth of goals elsewhere rather than our porous defence. The Championship is a great league that as a surprisingly large number of poor games where sides nullify each other. Long advocate of reducing the number of league games back to 42 and sacking off 4 midweek rounds. I don't think the impact on finances would be that great 8-9% drop in revenue would put most clubs in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Just now, Tewksbury said: My issue with that is that the jump from National League to L2 is brutal. Every team in the 72 is there on merit. L1 and 2 already have the FA trophy with group stages to pkay in in top, so reducing the Championship load is a bit unfair. It's all hypothetical of course, would never happen. My point is more the quality in the Championship for me gets watered down by squeezing in 4 extra midweek rounds, already high because of 4 international weeks during the course of the season. It would reduce the calls to rest players for FA Cup games etc I don’t think fans would be that bothered overall to have 21 home games not 23. How many already miss a couple of midweek ones anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewksbury Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 3 minutes ago, mkowl said: It's all hypothetical of course, would never happen. My point is more the quality in the Championship for me gets watered down by squeezing in 4 extra midweek rounds, already high because of 4 international weeks during the course of the season. It would reduce the calls to rest players for FA Cup games etc I don’t think fans would be that bothered overall to have 21 home games not 23. How many already miss a couple of midweek ones anyway. The season when the bottom 5 get relegated would be a blinder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 3 minutes ago, Andyben said: 8-9% drop in revenue would put most clubs in trouble. I acknowledge the point as totally relevant but I don't think the TV companies would pay less I mean fans would moan about the apparent jump in price per game but I could argue that some fans don't get season tickets because of the number of midweek games. Clubs perhaps could reduce playing squads by 2 or 3 players to compensate as they need less insurance against fatigue and minor knocks. I mean given wages to revenue %'s it would save em money !! To note it would never happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 2 minutes ago, Tewksbury said: The season when the bottom 5 get relegated would be a blinder. Be even worse if we lost three localish teams which had big away followings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 3 minutes ago, Tewksbury said: The season when the bottom 5 get relegated would be a blinder. Only promote 2 from League 1 relegate 4 or do it over 2 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 1 minute ago, Andyben said: Be even worse if we lost three localish teams which had big away followings The opposite argument is that some away followings on a Tuesday night with a 250 mile round trip, with the game on Ifollow are piss poor. I mean when I actually used to go to games sometimes it was a chore to force yourself to get there. You only have to look at the crowd (not the official attendance) to see many take the same view. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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