HappyOwl Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 20 minutes ago, Winco said: The big one is you can’t “lose” more than £13million in a season . That’s why I’m asking all the cockwombles on Twitter have no idea it’s pissing me off well that plus the threats but even I can handle keyboard warriors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyOwl Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Greno said: As they say: How do you become a millionaire? Start as a billionaire and buy a football club. So another question why would you want to buy a football club as a business model it doesn’t make much sense unless you are a wealthy massive fan of that club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greno Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, HappyOwl said: So another question why would you want to buy a football club as a business model it doesn’t make much sense unless you are a wealthy massive fan of that club The potential return if you get to the Premier League. But to get there you have to spunk the cash and there is always the danger of losing to Pikeys in a play off final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelters Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Genuine question : do all clubs have such a large number of negative keyboard warriors on social media or is it just us? I mean, Chansiri hasn’t covered himself in glory recently but the way some of our lot go on you’d think we’ve been relegated already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greno Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Chelters said: Genuine question : do all clubs have such a large number of negative keyboard warriors on social media or is it just us? I mean, Chansiri hasn’t covered himself in glory recently but the way some of our lot go on you’d think we’ve been relegated already. Man Utd and the Glazers? Or is that not a thing now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyOwl Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 5 minutes that’s me done now with Radio Sheffield for the rest of the summer. Fuelling the bile by having that cock on promoting his own self worth 😡😡😡😡 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 45 minutes ago, HappyOwl said: Would it be possible for someone on here to sum up ffp in the context of all this? My take on it is that we aren’t skint and Chansiri can’t put more money in then he already is due to the fact that we aren’t getting the income. revenue comes from - ticket sales, catering, sponsorship, TV, merchandise outgoings - All staff wages, ground maintenance, food drink, cost of Merch, utilities (must be huge) we can only lose so much or we get in trouble and all has to be balanced. Can anyone explain? Don't think ground maintenance and infrastructure is included in FFP. Presume also utilities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greno Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 21 minutes ago, HappyOwl said: 5 minutes that’s me done now with Radio Sheffield for the rest of the summer. Fuelling the bile by having that cock on promoting his own self worth 😡😡😡😡 Which cock? There are so many to choose from, as the actress said to the General Synod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyOwl Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Greno said: Which cock? There are so many to choose from, as the actress said to the General Synod The reverend 😡😡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greno Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 minute ago, HappyOwl said: The reverend 😡😡 Thought it might be that particular cock. Is he promoting his new album "Polishing a Turd"? 😁 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bricat Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 People giving DC stick are basically wokes who have not seen too much of the club.Mentioned it before several times but on the playing side we have been let down by those controlling the purse strings and massaging their egos. In the 50s we paid the world's record transfer fee (Sewell), in the 60s the higherst fee for a teenager (Tommy Craig . At the time and for many years after I tried to get balance sheets / financial statements from a raft of football clubs. None were ever forthcoming. Different all together now. Early 60s we finished second to the double winning Spurs. Manager Catterick wanted £60K to buy future England striker Joe Baker. The board agreed but Catterick was told differntly and he resigned. We would have been serious contenders for the title if we'd splashed the cash. Our administrators never learn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted July 13, 2023 Author Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Chelters said: Genuine question : do all clubs have such a large number of negative keyboard warriors on social media or is it just us? I mean, Chansiri hasn’t covered himself in glory recently but the way some of our lot go on you’d think we’ve been relegated already. Every club has its fair share of whoppers, but the problem is all ours are out in force at the moment on both sides of the 'divide' because that's what it's increasingly becoming. Funnily, I saw a twitter feed this morning which appeared on my timeline from a shitty nondescript football site, which asked which side's fans were the worst? Surprisingly!!!!?? The first post was from a Rotherham fan and he named us, then there were some blades mentioning us too... Then people started sniping back. I wish folks would just grow up. Leave the idiots without oxygen by NOT REPLYING TO THEM! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelters Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 As with most things on Twitter the debate gets polarised. The Chansiri out brigade refuse to accept the truth, which is that he is neither a hero nor a complete idiot, but somewhere in the middle. And by not accepting their argument that does not mean you are a DC worshipper, it is quite possible to accept his faults without wanting to throw him into the Don. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyOwl Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Winco said: The big one is you can’t “lose” more than £13million in a season . Isn’t it more now after covid? Might be wrong thought I’d seen it somewhere one of the reasons I asked to be fair if they’ve moved the goalposts 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) The interesting thing with the Chansiri out brigade is how will this transfer to the stadium. Are the vast majority keyboard warriors who do not attend games anyway, regardless that they give pelters re pricing. Owls Online is the middle ground haven from the Stalkers and Twitterazzi spouting their ill thought hate fueled thoughts without any alternative but we want Chansiri out. The fella is millions deep and there is little liklihood of getting an offer that gets anywhere close to satisfying the bulk of what he has put in. The higher liklihood is he runs it at thd bare minimum. From my perspective he could have done things way better in thd last few weeks. The Moore Departure - we understand the reasons or certainly from DC's side. He fell into over communicating. He need only to have put out a statement that due to disparity in contractual expectations from Darren and his Staff it was mutually decided to part ways. Carlton Palmer - respond to any twitter comments by offering an olive branch early to discuss and not play out on Talk Sport or the Press Conference. The Managerial Appointment - no problem at all and the timescale was to ge expected especially as an appointment with requirement for a work permit. Season Tickets - this would be my biggest criticism. Season Tickets should have been on sale 29th May at whatever the previous phase was. Strike while the iron is hot. Match Day Tickets - too high and once again giving the headline writers ammo. He should have done away wihhbtge to two categories. It is unlikely we will use them and any additional revenue is likely to be wiped by the negative mindset it has caused. To combat the pricing I would have introduced a premium membership at 25% higher that gave double discount. Finally stop with all the meetings and forums. Appreciate he is a passionate, committed chap but reign it in a bit. I think he truly does have the club and its staff at heart. Edited July 13, 2023 by Hirstys 12th Pint 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 We could do it (get to PL) on the cheap, but we'd have to integrate youth players better for one, and give them time in the first team to develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winco Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Andyben said: We could do it (get to PL) on the cheap, but we'd have to integrate youth players better for one, and give them time in the first team to develop. That’s what’s Xisco is doing int he? Not like DM never got a sniff near first team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) Yup, think we'll do OK this season. @Winco Lets be honest, no matter who we got in under DM Wed be playing same fkin way and have been sussed by October Edited July 13, 2023 by Andyben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billysboy Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 3 hours ago, HappyOwl said: 5 minutes that’s me done now with Radio Sheffield for the rest of the summer. Fuelling the bile by having that cock on promoting his own self worth 😡😡😡😡 Fat prick Miller wrote a piece in the stir saying no signings through the door is a big concern, "that's because you get fuck all info out of the club you stalk dwelling fat ****". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gleadless Owl Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 2 hours ago, HoylandOwl said: Every club has its fair share of whoppers, but the problem is all ours are out in force at the moment on both sides of the 'divide' because that's what it's increasingly becoming. Funnily, I saw a twitter feed this morning which appeared on my timeline from a shitty nondescript football site, which asked which side's fans were the worst? Surprisingly!!!!?? The first post was from a Rotherham fan and he named us, then there were some blades mentioning us too... Then people started sniping back. I wish folks would just grow up. Leave the idiots without oxygen by NOT REPLYING TO THEM! Twitter, Facebook etc is all the same. "I'm right and you're wrong" is all it amounts to. Don't think we're worse than anyone else, it's just more noticeable when it's our club. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBRA Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 That podcast WTID if full of Chansiri hating folk! They are stoking a huge fire at the first opportunity. Definition of a toxic bunch! Also happily to slag rational Wednesday fans which applauding each other in their little echo chamber! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBRA Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said: The interesting thing with the Chansiri out brigade is how will this transfer to the stadium. Are the vast majority keyboard warriors who do not attend games anyway, regardless that they give pelters re pricing. Owls Online is the middle ground haven from the Stalkers and Twitterazzi spouting their ill thought hate fueled thoughts without any alternative but we want Chansiri out. The fella is millions deep and there is little liklihood of getting an offer that gets anywhere close to satisfying the bulk of what he has put in. The higher liklihood is he runs it at thd bare minimum. From my perspective he could have done things way better in thd last few weeks. The Moore Departure - we understand the reasons or certainly from DC's side. He fell into over communicating. He need only to have put out a statement that due to disparity in contractual expectations from Darren and his Staff it was mutually decided to part ways. Carlton Palmer - respond to any twitter comments by offering an olive branch early to discuss and not play out on Talk Sport or the Press Conference. The Managerial Appointment - no problem at all and the timescale was to ge expected especially as an appointment with requirement for a work permit. Season Tickets - this would be my biggest criticism. Season Tickets should have been on sale 29th May at whatever the previous phase was. Strike while the iron is hot. Match Day Tickets - too high and once again giving the headline writers ammo. He should have done away wihhbtge to two categories. It is unlikely we will use them and any additional revenue is likely to be wiped by the negative mindset it has caused. To combat the pricing I would have introduced a premium membership at 25% higher that gave double discount. Finally stop with all the meetings and forums. Appreciate he is a passionate, committed chap but rein it in a bit. I think he truly does have the club and its staff at heart. A lad on one of the Facebook groups met with DC and posted a long follow up post. He’s a constant critic. DC said a few things of interest He recognised his name They had run sentiment analysis on Facebook post and found the majority of names of those who are negative are not regular ticket buyers 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBRA Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 @mkowlthesexynewversion alright matey one of the feedback from this meeting is how other clubs with lesser fans base we’re pulling in better revenue streams thus lauded by the motley crew as better than us. Chansiri apparently said he doesn’t know how they did that - and they have all got their knickers in a twist about DC should know and be working on it. Get a meeting with the bloke and give DC the keys to unlocking extra revenue streams based in your astute analysis - he may even fly you over to Thailand if you impress him enough and treat you to Thai hospitality! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80s Owl Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 7 hours ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said: Popped over to Stalk earlier to get their take of it on there. I do read the posts on there and occasionally post but Jeez, its worse than ever. How can the two Forums be so different ? One's run by a complete dictatorial bell end and this one isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80s Owl Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 4 hours ago, HappyOwl said: The reverend 😡😡 Why do RS always have to wheel that absolute cock out?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 12 hours ago, Chelters said: As with most things on Twitter the debate gets polarised. The Chansiri out brigade refuse to accept the truth, which is that he is neither a hero nor a complete idiot, but somewhere in the middle. And by not accepting their argument that does not mean you are a DC worshipper, it is quite possible to accept his faults without wanting to throw him into the Don. Totally on board with your comments. I probably come across on here as more of a DC critic, but its more a frustration on how he approaches running the Club and repeating mistakes. He seems to want to be here long term but with a short termist attitude. I am not sure how that can ever be successful and how it could ever offer an easier out should he want to sell without it being a firesale. At the same time as Andyben shows with his figures, there isn't an orderly queue of available buyers that have the funds available or would in fact be worse owners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 8 hours ago, EBRA said: @mkowlthesexynewversion alright matey one of the feedback from this meeting is how other clubs with lesser fans base we’re pulling in better revenue streams thus lauded by the motley crew as better than us. Chansiri apparently said he doesn’t know how they did that - and they have all got their knickers in a twist about DC should know and be working on it. Get a meeting with the bloke and give DC the keys to unlocking extra revenue streams based in your astute analysis - he may even fly you over to Thailand if you impress him enough and treat you to Thai hospitality! Not sure why that is aimed at me. I am nothing to do with the WTID podcast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 44 minutes ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said: Not sure why that is aimed at me. I am nothing to do with the WTID podcast Prob because you may be in a position to advise on increasing revenue streams? Don't think it was meant as critical 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheExile Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 15 hours ago, Winco said: The big one is you can’t “lose” more than £13million in a season . Yeah and it’s suggested we already lost 10m last season. But promotion increases Tv revenue/solidarity money by 7-8m and whatever we raise from tickets and sponsors, corporate boxes which will go up. A tough balance if not selling players but that 7/8m allows some spending with 3m wriggle room for owner input within rules in very simple terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, TheExile said: Yeah and it’s suggested we already lost 10m last season. But promotion increases Tv revenue/solidarity money by 7-8m and whatever we raise from tickets and sponsors, corporate boxes which will go up. A tough balance if not selling players but that 7/8m allows some spending with 3m wriggle room for owner input within rules in very simple terms. As Reesh has already said. L1 financials don't count as the FFP in 1 & 2 is set up differently. That's why Ipswich gambled on spunking a lot of money last season and are still doing it this season. FFP doesn't include infrastructure costings, pitch relaying, floodlights, general housekeeping etc. It also doesn't include any women's teams (although it soon will do which is why they're now being run as separate entities) or academy costs (this is also being looked into with the advent of more B teams) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheExile Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tylluan said: As Reesh has already said. L1 financials don't count as the FFP in 1 & 2 is set up differently. That's why Ipswich gambled on spunking a lot of money last season and are still doing it this season. FFP doesn't include infrastructure costings, pitch relaying, floodlights, general housekeeping etc. It also doesn't include any women's teams (although it soon will do which is why they're now being run as separate entities) or academy costs (this is also being looked into with the advent of more B teams) Thanks, I’d read somewhere it was still part of the rolling 3 years but maybe not then. Even if it was we’d be alright with two 10m losses with 19m left in that 3 year period. I know in L1 it’s more about wages as a % of income. I guess whatever we do unless we have some gems to sell we don’t want to rob Peter to pay Paul leaving us short in a future year. Even if we stuck to what we know about, that estimate gives us 7-11m extra for wages or transfers this season within the annual losses before any other ticket income and assuming DC puts some in (I think!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyOwl Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Oh deary me what an absolute spunk bubble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheExile Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 12 going? They’ll be invited in for a cuppa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 @Wincoyou know what to do pal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billysboy Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Don't condone violence but so tempted to make an exception for twats like these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billysboy Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Cunnington, even his names got what he is in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winco Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Andyben said: @Wincoyou know what to do pal I can sort a OCS counter protest soon fuck them nob heads off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winco Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Billysboy said: Don't condone violence but so tempted to make an exception for twats like these. We’re always recruiting pal 😄 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gleadless Owl Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Winco said: We’re always recruiting pal 😄 🤠🤠 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 8 hours ago, Winco said: We’re always recruiting pal 😄 Can I request to join the Home Counties section, we don't actually fight we have stare offs with chaps called Tom and Giles over who made the best quiche for the local village show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billysboy Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 9 hours ago, Winco said: We’re always recruiting pal 😄 Old EBRA veteran, mi heart says yes and mi knees say no but thanks for offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted July 15, 2023 Author Share Posted July 15, 2023 1 hour ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said: Can I request to join the Home Counties section, we don't actually fight we have stare offs with chaps called Tom and Giles over who made the best quiche for the local village show Sounds like a tough gig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 8 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said: Sounds like a tough gig Bet they make theirs without a crust on. 🙀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBRA Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 On 14/07/2023 at 07:49, mkowlthesexynewversion said: Not sure why that is aimed at me. I am nothing to do with the WTID podcast As AB says not meant to be critical. Just that as a regular [rational] poster who went to look at possibly buying the club via a fan crowdsource model you could be of value to Chansiri request for fan initiatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 1 hour ago, EBRA said: As AB says not meant to be critical. Just that as a regular [rational] poster who went to look at possibly buying the club via a fan crowdsource model you could be of value to Chansiri request for fan initiatives. I have been called many things on here but never rational 😃 Going to your point, then if other clubs have greater commercial revenues and DC doesn't understand how, then my advice would be to recruit someone in that field or appoint a consultancy to do a review. I am not sure DC every thinks paying for advice is a good use of money. Or when the likes of Katrien Meire came in they never seemed to hang around long. The whole stadium debacle would have been avoided if the right people with the right knowledge had been instructed to do this. I don't profess to know the why, but you would look at is it the relatively poor facilities at Hillsborough, are there better facilities elsewhere, are our business supporters tight arses, do our fans prefer local facilities on matchday, is our merchandise a poor choice, could our marketing be better. When we do stuff is it all a bit lacking eg the fan zone could be a money spinner but it all looks a bit cobbled together. Do we not attract sponsors due to the Hillsborough disaster connection. There is never just one reason. But is DC prepared to listen to other views. Like you say most of the fans who want a chat do so it seems with criticisms ready to go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 DC has always held an 'open door' policy for fans with ideas to move the club forward and, judging by the write ups, he reiterates this at every supporters clubs forum he holds. The Trust originally had a couple of half decent ideas but dropped them for the 'community club' approach and went rabid when the club refused to hold Darby and Joan bingo in the 1867 lounge. Maybe it is time for OO to gain an audience. I'm sure we're being monitored by the club, as they trawl through social media, but that would show this site is balanced. Members on here have the passion but also the professional capacity to talk to the club on a sane level with no agenda other than what's best for all. We're probably the only fans group currently worth talking to that would give an honest and fair view of our experiences and expectations. You only have to look at the posts on each thread to know that. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted July 15, 2023 Author Share Posted July 15, 2023 21 minutes ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said: But is DC prepared to listen to other views. Like you say most of the fans who want a chat do so it seems with criticisms ready to go. This is the thing. Yes, DC invites fans in, but crucially, the impression people are giving is that he doesn’t listen. HOWEVER. Some points of view maybe aren’t worth listening to 🤣🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 Hi Trevor 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tylluan said: DC has always held an 'open door' policy for fans with ideas to move the club forward and, judging by the write ups, he reiterates this at every supporters clubs forum he holds. The Trust originally had a couple of half decent ideas but dropped them for the 'community club' approach and went rabid when the club refused to hold Darby and Joan bingo in the 1867 lounge. Maybe it is time for OO to gain an audience. I'm sure we're being monitored by the club, as they trawl through social media, but that would show this site is balanced. Members on here have the passion but also the professional capacity to talk to the club on a sane level with no agenda other than what's best for all. We're probably the only fans group currently worth talking to that would give an honest and fair view of our experiences and expectations. You only have to look at the posts on each thread to know that. I'm sure an audience with MK, Hoyland, King Mong, yourself and even Reesh if he doesn't call DC a c@nt would gleen more than any of the other forums and meetings. I did email Liam Dooley a couple of days ago just saying that hope they do not take the hate filled ramblings of Stalk and Twitter as a true barometer and suggested a visit here for a more balanced level headed view. Edited July 15, 2023 by Hirstys 12th Pint 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted July 15, 2023 Author Share Posted July 15, 2023 30 minutes ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said: I'm sure an audience with MK, Hoyland, King Mong, yourself and even Reesh if he doesn't call DC a c@nt would gleen more than any of the other forums and meetings. I did email Liam Dooley a couple of days ago just saying that hope they do not take the hate filled ramblings of Stalk and Twitter as a true barometer and suggested a visit here for a more balanced level headed view. I said to myself a bit back that I wouldn’t get deeply involved again. But if there’s a hunger for this, then I will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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