Ice hockey player

[mkowl]

Jeez read the news about the Nottingham Panthers player dying after an accident in Sheffield last night on the ice.

 

[EBRA]

Awful event .. I’ve seen the incident truly a freak accident.

8k in arena last night lots of upset people plus the other player involved will be going through lots of issues

 

RIP and thoughts with all involved.

[Owling_Wolf]

That's horrible.  RIP.

[Reesh]

Very tragic news.

[TheExile]

Probably the worst sporting injury that will happen. How’s it taken this to ensure that the neck is protected in a game where everyone has blades on their feet?

[LiamOwl]

 

[Reesh]

18 minutes ago, LiamOwl said:

 

There'd be a minutes applause if it was that noncey **** Adam Johnson

[Andyben]

..

At Rovrum perhaps @Reesh.

Awful news about the poor lad 

[Beaconowl]

This sad news has been broadcast across Canada this morning 

RIP

[owl4ever1867]

Awful news, a tragic accident.

I felt numb last night after reading about it, I hoped the lad would pull through but sadly it weren't to be.

The lad Petgrave will need alot of help mentally with what happened.

RIP Adam Johnson 

[Winco]

4 hours ago, Reesh said:

There'd be a minutes applause if it was that noncey **** Adam Johnson

Sign him up

[Canterburyowl]

Saw the incident on twitter, looked horrific, not sure what the player was trying to do with his foot up like that unless he slipped.

[lyn_owl]

Awful way to go, RIP Adam x

[owl4ever1867]

4 hours ago, Canterburyowl said:

Saw the incident on twitter, looked horrific, not sure what the player was trying to do with his foot up like that unless he slipped.

Having watched the video, from what I can make out Pergrave deflected off the other Panthers player & seems to lose his balance & hence why he leg went up into the air, I've had a ST at Steelers & been to many a game over the years & hits like that are the norm, you don't realise how fast the game actually is until you've been, it was just a freak accident that has cost Johnson his life, Petgrave will be absolutely distraught.

Personally I don't think he'll play for Steelers again after that incident as something like that is mentally damaging to a person.

My heart breaks for his family, friends & team mates & I still feel numb about it all.

[80s Owl]

I read about the incident on Saturday evening but never imagined it would lead to a fatality, absolutely tragic RIP to the guy and sympathy to Petgrave as he will be devastated.

[HoylandOwl]

Apparently SYP are investigating it. But I suppose that’s normal when someone passes away in ‘different’ circumstances 

[Andyben]

That'll be another 3k off our attendance then 

[Beaconowl]

50 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

Apparently SYP are investigating it. But I suppose that’s normal when someone passes away in ‘different’ circumstances 

According to BBC SYP have said this is standard process for an incident of this type 

[Andyben]

Yeah, happens all the time 

[HoylandOwl]

24 minutes ago, Beaconowl said:

According to BBC SYP have said this is standard process for an incident of this type 

As I suspected then 

[Skamp]

Won’t the Sheffield player get a charge of involuntary manslaughter?  No chance of a record or anything though. Boxers have to go through it, don’t they?  Eubank?

[mkowl]

4 minutes ago, Skamp said:

Won’t the Sheffield player get a charge of involuntary manslaughter?  No chance of a record or anything though. Boxers have to go through it, don’t they?  Eubank?

Not commenting on this case but you can imagine a scenario where if it was seen there was deliberate intent, I am thinking head high tackles in rugby that could lead to a fatal injury - would the police take it further. By playing sport are you assuming a potential risk

[lobster]

There have been cases in Rugby for deliberate injury , Commentator John Inverdale being the most high profile .Fortunately there have been no fatalities . Any further action will be up to an Inquest to decide

[Andyben]

doesn't look that accidental to me

[owl4ever1867]

1 hour ago, Andyben said:

doesn't look that accidental to me

Pure accident, you been to watch Ice Hockey? It's an unbelievably fast pace game.

[JBO]

Man arrested on suspicion of manslaughter 

[Beaconowl]

Not sure how I feel about that. Surely there are more clear cut and serious crimes not being investigated 

[JBO]

Kung fu kicking someone in the neck with ice skates on is fairly clear cut and serious tbf

[mkowl]

I have chosen not to watch said incident and indeed if the legal route is now being followed we have to be careful what is said.

I look at this at a more overall sporting level. Clearly this is an extreme case but you can see somebody elbowing deliberately, rugby with the big high hits, it could happen. The defence was always "it's part and parcel of the game" but this type of legal action could be a bit of a game changer

[Andyben]

 

Doesn't show the incident but gives a good overview of whether it is an accident or not 

[Reesh]

Its SYP let's not forget, fabricators of evidence, hiding of sexual predators within their ranks.

 

ACAB

[Beaconowl]

1 hour ago, JBO said:

Kung fu kicking someone in the neck with ice skates on is fairly clear cut and serious tbf

TBH, JBO, I havent/cant watch it. Which is why I am not sure about how I feel about it.

[Winco]

First time I’ve watched it looks a bit dodge to me I thought he’d been shoved or tripped but that looks like he’s deliberately put his leg up to fuck him up.

I can see why the old bill are sniffing around.

[HoylandOwl]

There's been plenty of talk about something that happened just before the incident, stuff about him being off balance, skating at speed, etc etc.  there's so many things at 'play' here.

But, putting your foot up, with skates on that high.... It's less than ideal. I wouldn't like to have to make this decision, But, the fact is, Mr Johnson lost his life, and he shouldn't have.. 

[Tylluan]

This has ramifications for sport in general. If the arrested party is formally charged and it goes to court then does plod have to investigate 'deliberate' career ending challenges as ABH and GBH allegations?

Would it mean the end of 'it happened within the game' justifications?

[Tylluan]

What bothers me, though, is the Elite League is still not enforcing the mandatory wearing of neck guards and the English League, next level down, is only enforcing from next season. 

The NHL is also not enforcing their wear. 

[mkowl]

11 minutes ago, Neville Facking Bartos said:

The balance point is a big one for me. Watching the video that AB has shared shows in better detail his upper body leaning over, that following a minor collision could be just the thing that makes your leg come out and up to stop you decking it?

I might be wrong but that seems logical to me. 

The police should leave this alone, there’s not much chance of a conviction 

Manslaughter is a lower burden of proof - doesn't require intent - so almost simply your actions killed a person.

Could be as simple as a landlord failing to undertake a gas safety check and then a tenant dies after a gas explosion. 

 

[mkowl]

1 minute ago, Neville Facking Bartos said:

Get that but the judge will still instruct a jury to be sure beyond a reasonable doubt. No way they’ll get a majority decision on video evidence alone or him supposedly being a dirty player.

 

It could set an interesting precedent that's for sure 

[Andyben]

We didn't see a similar upturn after Duncan Ferguson got done for Affray(?) on the  pitch, or when Paul Elliott sued another player.

This is different. The lad died it deserves to be rsolvd with the full and proper powers of the courts 

[KrolMong]

I’ve seen the short and long version of it, it’s horrific, and I’ve got to say, I can understand why a manslaughter charge has been levied.

The best way I can describe it is that Adam Johnson, who was on his feet, has been caught in the neck by a skate blade.

Remember that he is on his feet.

 

[Reesh]

10 hours ago, Andyben said:

We didn't see a similar upturn after Duncan Ferguson got done for Affray(?) on the  pitch, or when Paul Elliott sued another player.

This is different. The lad died it deserves to be rsolvd with the full and proper powers of the courts 

So perhaps pass it on to a decent non Corrupt police force?

[Otto_Man]

I know less than nowt about ice hockey, but weren't there a couple of American/Canadian players said they thought it looked intentional?

[Teddy Nickelarse]

SYP appear to think there's  a case to answer. Gathering of expert opinions ongoing before CPS decide on whether to proceed to court though. Right and proper that due process is followed and seen to be followed. 

 

[pook]

On 14/11/2023 at 12:57, Reesh said:

... ACAB

C'mon, man.  

[Reesh]

10 minutes ago, pook said:

C'mon, man.  

Tell you what Yank ****. Live my childhood and tell me different.  Fucking knobhead 

[Winco]

5 hours ago, Reesh said:

Tell you what Yank ****. Live my childhood and tell me different.  Fucking knobhead 

Wank being the fat kid in school init pal.