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Technically true, m'lud. It was Moore's agent. But it would be interesting if Carlton is ever asked the question again. Him and Shez are doing 'an evening with' at Grange Golf Club, Rotherham

Mark Robins 'celebrated' their winning goal by purposefully running up to a 13 year old ball boy getting right into face with the 'who are ya' arms wide open gesture then pumped his fist at him. Why? Because he'd smiled at him as he dropped the ball when it was a Coventry throw. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/sport/26735210/coventry-mark-robins-wolves-ball-boy-fa-cup/amp/ Knowing the FA they'll probably do Wolves for failing to control the ball boy. But is this not assault on a minor? If it was in the street then plod would be getting involved.

Also the Uncanny TV and radio series

Picked up tickets for the Hacienda outdoor all dayer at Wollaton Park, Nottingham, on August bank holiday. Soul to Soul, K-Klass, Roger Sanchez, Graeme Park, Danny Tenaglia, 808 State, Ultra Nate, Smoking Jo and more to be announced.

@Tewksbury I'm like you and need something on I can half listen to. I'm currently working my way through McLevy on BBC Sounds. Brian Cox plays a police inspector in Victorian Leith. They're about 45 mins long and there's 6 series. The story lines are quirky but not particularly taxing that you need to stop and listen The infinite monkey cage and you're dead to me are also decent

Still only one game off 18th

Just got to stay in the game until half time but you're right about getting Pol on

Never been out of fashion where you live, has it?

We just have to keep in the game. When Rotherham came out in the 2nd half and had a proper go their crowd got a bit anxious and it affected the players.

Knew a lad in his 20s who regularly used to get in on a kids season ticket. Only stood around 5'7" 5'8" mind

Probably the only time I'm going to agree with @Jake but 1867 don't have to find a buyer to be legit. In all honesty they probably don't have the contacts or wherewithal to start looking. But, I'll venture some on here do. What 1867 need to do is stop throwing generalisations out as facts. If you're going after Chansiri over the ground sale then do the proper due diligence. A good start would be to properly read and understand @mkowl post cos that lad knows what he's talking about. The other 6 or 7 money men on this site will also back that up. Understand why it's not the mess others, less qualified, portray it to be but if you're still unhappy then use the facts to establish the cause. 1867 need to stop comparing us to other clubs. Every club's ownership model and financial running is unique to them. We're not Birmingham, Luton, Swansea, and whoever else. Complaints over ground improvements need to be verified and ratified by going over the accounts rather than just spouting DC has spent fuck all or not enough and nothing has changed. @Andyben didn't pluck those costings out of thin air. They're all over Forest's application plan. Then if you still think DC should be footing a £100m bill then state why, factually, but also state that this might come at the expense of a reduced player budget or increased ticket prices so people can make their own mind up. Like the majority on here have already said. If you want to make your collective voice have substance then you have to legitimise your narrative to increase the longevity. Just shouting Chansiri isn't fit for purpose and 'get out' might appeal to some now. But if we're sat near the top 6 this time next season and nothing has changed from Chansiri's side then will you still be handing flyers out?

How do you know that's the plan? A look at the accounts over the last ten years will show you how much has been spent on the infrastructure in comparison to the playing staff.

Forest are also costing a new stadium on the now abandoned HS2 hub at Toton as they're in dispute with the council over ground rent. They're budgeting £150m as they'd be picking up the site for about ten bob.

No mate. I was just calling you out on you writing something without looking into it. A bit like @Andyben still waiting for you to post a link to a balanced debate on Owlstalk The club publish the time of the next meeting on the official website and have to give 3 weeks notice. The next one will probably be at the end of the season. How to get involved is posted on there but usually it's an email into the club, but individual invites are pulled out of a hat, so to speak. If you're serious then the best way is actually to formalise a membership for 1867. That way you'll also know the number of people you've solidly got behind you. Join the FSA, clubs can have multiple fan group affiliation, and you're guaranteed a place at the table. One thing though. The Trust went in all guns blazing and the rest of the supporters groups kicked them out. On why the general forums ended. Simple answer is they became too hard to control from a security and safety aspect. On one occasion a couple of known pigs managed to get and stir the pot. It got a bit fractious when they got spotted. After the last one several 'fans' surrounded Chansiri's car and there was some pushing and shoving involved as he tried to get in. At that point he'd had enough of being shouted at and jostled. They also became boring and repetitive with the same morons asking the same questions and some pockets of fans turned on themselves. The last but one closed around 2am and the last one had a cut off of midnight. I went to the last two and on both occasions the same player recruitment question was asked about 20 times. This wasn't the club not giving reasonable answers. This was all the idiots having their 5 mins of fame amongst their mates standing up and pointing fingers at the top table. Then going on twitter to tell the world that "they'd told that Chansiri to spend more money" One more piece of homework. Google Katrien Meire's involvement in the club. You might find it wasn't Chansiri that stuck the sale in the wrong accounting year.

Bollocks. The club is regulated by the Football Supporters Association, and by default the government, on these and has to be fully open and inclusive. The engagement committee is and always has been open to any supporter group that has a recognised membership and wants to put forward representation. There's also an open ballot for any unaffiliated fan that wants to take part. The only stipulation the FSA (not the club) impose is that no one can attend that has a current football related conviction or club specific banning order. Do your homework when replying to stuff like this and maybe people will start taking you seriously. Or does just dismissing stuff that doesn't fit your narrative suit you better?

Which licencing officers, seeing as independent reviews by Sheffield City Council and the Sports Ground Safety Authority cleared us and said we were well within our safety certificate obligations, and why have they taken over a year to reach that conclusion? Especially when all they had to go on was 3 Newcastle fans complaining in local media but only after they found out Kelly Dalglish had started screaming "not again" after reposting some grainy footage taken by a pro-Liverpool FC journalist that was covering the game. Incidentally I find it strange that he chose to film instead of alerting the chief steward first.

Have you taken a look at Middlesbrough's accounts to see how much Gibson puts in to stagnate? Oh but why can't we be like Luton or Ipswich comes the cry. Luton's expenditure is well documented on here. Ipswich had the highest expenditure in L1 and have thrown millions at it this season.

The club is mandated to hold fan engagement meetings twice a year. The last two were July and October last year. https://www.swfc.co.uk/club/swfc-supporters-engagement-panel/ You might want to review the minutes. The last one was all about match day prices and season ticket holder recognition and there's also clarification on the £2m a month outburst. There is engagement between club and supporters in an open and constructive way. The club does listen, read the minutes, but also asks the supporters to offer solutions to their own questions, which they rarely do.

Further thoughts on this. In 2019 our U18s won the league. Only two made it into the professional game but neither with us. Liam Shaw and Conor Grant. The rest are playing 7th tier or below. In 2021 Will Trueman wins Championship Apprentice of the Year as an 18 year old. An award previously won by Jude Bellingham, Ryan Sessegnon, Ademola Lookman and others. Haslam is all over the official website and local media saying what a talent this lad is, how special he is. End of last season he signs for Mickleover in Southern League Premier. So, excluding Shaw, what happened to conveyor belt that was supposed to bring these lads through? Even if there was no integration there should have been a coaching set up that monetarised these lads. Like I said earlier, the pathway appears to be there and the structure appears to be in place. The proof will be in what happens to the likes of Charles, Shipston, Reed, Sequeira, Da Costa, Granger and the others.

Not only us. A Wycombe pub landlord had to claim a full set back from police after they were confiscated from Barnsley fans, who'd stopped off, when they visited a couple of weeks ago. The landlord tipped off plod after noticing the balls were missing after they'd left.

It'll never happen with the splinter groups within our fanbase. When the open fans forums switched to representatives from known supporter groups, in the hope of more constructive dialogue, each group came with it's own agenda. At the end of every meeting they were asked to have their own pre-meetings to come up with a united front but they never did. They were also asked at every meeting to come up with ways to make the matchday experience better but they never did. This is all in the official, signed off, minutes. Also noted in the official minutes is how the Trust lost it's place in these forums. Chansiri didn't kick them off. It's was voted on by the other supporter group attendees after reporting irregularities on previous meetings, by the Trust, came to light. The Trust's original manifesto has a lot of similarities to 1867s. Badly run club, all the owners fault, too expensive, etc (they also used Birmingham as a comparison) except they set up right and got FSA backing. They also got dialogue with the club except when their demands weren't met they went militant and threw teddies. The Trust never got above 700 members and now sits almost dormant. At the zoom meetings I attended anyone with a different point of view was shouted down and drowned out. There's a reason it lies dormant. @Jake the original gang of four (or however many) had intentions that mattered to you but you've said yourself you left in the hands of others and it went horribly off the rails. You advocate reasonable and constructive dialogue but post a different point of view in the group's twitter and you're immediately shot down by the 'if you're not with us you're against us' brigade and there's now more of them than there is of the more reasoned community open to debate amongst fans. Gaining traction on certain other forums and Facebook groups has also led to the more rabid and polarised gaining a foothold. You've already had to fend off one attempted hijack and had to regroup and reframe. Could you hold off a coup? On here you have experienced financial experts, some of whom own their own companies. You have highly qualified people who've held relevant roles within league clubs. You've got those who've been down your path already. You've got respected amateur coaches and members so long in the tooth that their knowledge is respected. But the reason this site works so well is that we listen to each others point of view and are willing to adapt, change, and take in the knowledge when someone is talking about what they're qualified in and do in a daily basis. This site is covered with threads and posts asking for clarification and reasoning and it's provided. What we've seen from you and bazapeps is a 'we'll agree to disagree' point of view when faced with facts that don't fit (season ticket prices being a good example) I'll leave you with this. Post some of the our answers to your posts on your twitter and see if you get the same reasoned debate. You say you're only one man with a family and a job, aren't we all, but the movement you've created may soon become uncontrollable, as WTID back in the day. It might be a stretch but does the increase in appalling fan behaviour stem from the rise in profile of 1867? And if you think not then who advocated throwing the tennis balls onto the pitch and stopped a game then took to social media to brag about it?

He's saying a lot of the right things in that article but it's well documented on this forum what I've previously thought of our academy set up and Haslam. He's been part of the development phase set up since 2013 and academy manager since 2017 but we're only just seeing a pathway. We might have had first team managers who didn't fancy putting kids in, apart from Jos, but that shouldn't have stopped the academy from getting a saleable value out of what we had. Instead we kept bringing through group after group then just releasing them. If each released player had £200k of training then we've spunked upwards of £5m on academy releases (shit, just given 1867 something else to add to the manifesto) How much has Ciaran Brennan cost the club in training and wages? But, to give the academy credit there now seems to be a better scouting operation in place, instead of just holding open trials. There seems to be a long term plan and linear pathways from u14/15s through to scholarships. More readiness to secure talent to longer contracts rather than rolling one year deals. We're now seen as an attractive proposition. We are pinching from other academies and becoming first choice for those with several offers, some of which are financially better. But I think this pathway is more Neil Thompson's doing. All this has happened since he got the 23s job after Bullen left. It's no coincidence that the influx of academy players into the first team set up coincided with Thomson joining Rohl's coaching set up. But all this leaves us wide open to Cat A and foreign club poaching. We are being actively pinged at an alarming rate for our 14s to 16s, nevermind our scholarship players. Daniel DaCosta is being tracked by Porto, who've already tried once. Will Granger is on Liverpool, Villa, and Man City's radar. We need to play on the stat Haslam uses in the interview. 97% of former Category One academy players who were now aged between 21 to 26 never made an Premier League appearance

We just want Chansiri to leave the club, preferably debt free but leave all the same. Oh and Nigel Farage to be the next Prime Minister. That Lee Stafford is made chairman, so his Hillsborough 2010 upgrade can finally happen, and Jim Wiltshire takes the COO role. No point in getting that online degree if he can't use it. Yes. We need to tell them how to spend their billions, from upgrading the toilets to buying Bellingham, while we advocate 20s plenty. Then we start this all over again, obviously, til Adam can borrow the money from his Mrs to buy the club One man Wembley, Hillsborough park.

Charlton are even worse. If you're not in the family stand you're paying between £425-£625 and that's just in phase 1.