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So who do we think he's playing league 1 football with next season, us or Exeter?

Very highly thought of in Devon apparently, their fans are desperate to keep him, but not sure if they'd be able to pay a fee?!

Obviously he's no🤔BPF...

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I'm sure I'm very much in the minority here, but I'd give him another go in our first team.

I think his experience this season will have done him the world of good and if we don't sign an obviously better quality keeper in the summer he should be given the opportunity to show what he can do with the team he supports. If it doesn't look like it's working out we'd have to try and sell him and recruit someone better.

I fear however that the first mistake he makes would result in our support getting on his back and ruining whatever confidence he's developed this season.

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51 minutes ago, OptimisticOwl said:

I'm sure I'm very much in the minority here, but I'd give him another go in our first team.

I think his experience this season will have done him the world of good and if we don't sign an obviously better quality keeper in the summer he should be given the opportunity to show what he can do with the team he supports. If it doesn't look like it's working out we'd have to try and sell him and recruit someone better.

I fear however that the first mistake he makes would result in our support getting on his back and ruining whatever confidence he's developed this season.

Your last paragraph is exactly the reason we shouldn’t give him another chance IMO, for both ours and his sakes. 

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1 hour ago, LiamOwl said:

Your last paragraph is exactly the reason we shouldn’t give him another chance IMO, for both ours and his sakes. 

 

You're probably right. It's a sad fact that football fans the world over often make their minds up about a player and won't/can't change it. It can be done, but it's the exception, rather than the rule.

Assuming he goes, I just hope we get a decent fee for him and replace him with an upgrade.

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If he does return, his only saving grace is that Westwood is no longer at the club

I don't think it has helped his career that he's had to work with managers that are terrified of the oppositions penalty box 

Luhakays tactics ruined him. 

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1 hour ago, MPB said:

He's a very poor keeper....very poor.....the one we've got scares the bejaysus out of me n'all .....ideal scenario is we pick up an experienced keeper with some top end Championship, maybe a smidge of Prem experience and we let BPF go.....let Dawson go and keep Wildsmith as backup and blood a young 3rd keeper...

Personally think Wildsmith is also on his way out the club as well with the other keepers stepping up.

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4 hours ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said:

I have never quite grasped the level of dislike for him. It seemed to be that him and indeed Wildsmith were the fans scapegoats for decisions managers made about the non inclusion of Westwood. Yes they made costly errors but as young keepers that is sort of expected. 

 

Agreed.  The haters made their minds up years ago and that's it.  The level of hostility is ridiculous.  It's not like a relatively young, relatively inexperienced goalkeeper can learn and improve, is it?

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7 minutes ago, MPB said:

He's poor Owlin'...IMO of course.... good luck to the lad there's no "hate" or malice from me....I just can't see him developing into an average keeper...ne'er mind a good 'un.....as Reesh says....the basic errors should have already been ironed out and again IMO that should have been 2 to 3 years ago....

So no chance of improvement then, even whilst he's been away from what must be a damaging, hostile environment?

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Just now, Owling_Wolf said:

So no chance of improvement then, even whilst he's been away from what must be a damaging, hostile environment?

Oh there is no doubt he has improved, he's gone from utterly shite to slightly less shite

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people seem to think they are both young lads that need to be given a chance

they are both 26 and have been given so many chances to make the position their own and never taken it

like Reesh says Wildsmith needs to leave and try to prove he can be a decent keeper somewhere else

it's like someone at 26 still living at home that needs to get out into the real world

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7 minutes ago, HarrySpeakup said:

people seem to think they are both young lads that need to be given a chance

they are both 26 and have been given so many chances to make the position their own and never taken it

like Reesh says Wildsmith needs to leave and try to prove he can be a decent keeper somewhere else

it's like someone at 26 still living at home that needs to get out into the real world

Just trying to read the runes as a fan, somebody gave Joe (I think) a 1 year deal so what you've said looks realistic.  Maybe he's literally only there to cover BPF whilst Cam is out on loan. 

Somebody gave Dawson a 3 year deal and a loan, presumably 'cos they thought he was worth taking a look at away from our pressure cooker.  

What hasn't helped any of our goalies, (or our club), is the constant revolving door of failing managers.  

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6 minutes ago, Reesh said:

Joe last signed a contract ahead of the 2017/18 season to run to this summer.

5 years?  Seriously?  I know Carlos decided he was the future but that was ages ago. I'm sure he only got a one year addition more recently. I remember being surprised about that when Dawson got (I think) a three.  

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29 minutes ago, Reesh said:

His flaws are in the basics of keeping though and should have been ironed out years ago, and he's a ginner

Are they? What are the basics he struggles with? I've always found his footwork, positioning and agility to be his stronger skills (those are basics for me). It's his confidence, decision making and commanding of his area which have been his weak points, the latter 2 are influenced by his lack of confidence which was directly affected by those that had a weird love in for Westwood or didn't like ginger people

I think we can all agree that his year at Exeter has been good for him, I think he's better off away from here but what I will maintain is he is better than Wildsmith, much better and the next 8 - 10 years will prove that to be the case

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Both Wildsmith and Dawson wouldn't have problems finding new clubs at L1 standard or below so they need to go while that window of opportunity is there. 

But neither of them are regular championship standard and that's what we need to find, regardless of which division we're in next season. We need to find a 22/23 version of the 14/15 Westwood. 

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1 minute ago, Neville Facking Bartos said:

Are they? What are the basics he struggles with? I've always found his footwork, positioning and agility to be his stronger skills (those are basics for me). It's his confidence, decision making and commanding of his area which have been his weak points, the latter 2 are influenced by his lack of confidence which was directly affected by those that had a weird love in for Westwood or didn't like ginger people

I think we can all agree that his year at Exeter has been good for him, I think he's better off away from here but what I will maintain is he is better than Wildsmith, much better and the next 8 - 10 years will prove that to be the case

His positioning is poor, hence he then palms the fucking ball back into the danger zone, his handling and shot stopping is very suspect or was when I last saw him play for us.

 

Weird love in for Westwood? best keeper we've had in 40 year

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I'd disagree and remember numerous occasions Westwood palmed the ball back in to the path of oncoming attackers. That's what I mean by weird love in, his errors were always ignored but young lads, local too, trying to find their way in the game weren't afforded that same level of support when they needed it more.  

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Westwood rarely palmed it back into the middle, that was a Dawson regular occurrence. I think the reason both Dawson and Wildsmith didn't get as much "support" was that fans could see that Westwood was being left out at their expense for not footballing reasons and cos of that we were losing points!

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8 minutes ago, Reesh said:

Westwood rarely palmed it back into the middle, that was a Dawson regular occurrence. I think the reason both Dawson and Wildsmith didn't get as much "support" was that fans could see that Westwood was being left out at their expense for not footballing reasons and cos of that we were losing points!

 

6 minutes ago, Neville Facking Bartos said:

Yeah I know but that wasn't their fault, that was down to managers. That's the point I'm making, made it much much tougher for them and held them back to some extent

Both need moving on now

What an absolute shambles these posts describe. 

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I think Owling's alluding to the shambles of the ostracism of Westwood by certain managers, for whatever reason, and the coaching of both Dawson and Wildsmith which didn't address their fallibilities

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Did Dawson play in Jos’ first game?

I think it was him in goal. A threadbare squad. A squad low on confidence. A trip to Bramhall Lane dreading a heavy loss. Penalty in first 10 minutes: gonna be a long night. But he saves it, we draw 0-0, nearly nicking a winner. 

I regard him with positivity for that match alone.

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1 minute ago, M42Owl said:

Did Dawson play in Jos’ first game?

I think it was him in goal. A threadbare squad. A squad low on confidence. A trip to Bramhall Lane dreading a heavy loss. Penalty in first 10 minutes: gonna be a long night. But he saves it, we draw 0-0, nearly nicking a winner. 

I regard him with positivity for that match alone.

No it was Joe in the net that night, he saved a header at their end. Think that was the night Reach nearly won it late it.

 

Dawson played the following season, saved the pen from McGoldrick on 14th mins.

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1 minute ago, Reesh said:

No it was Joe in the net that night, he saved a header at their end. Think that was the night Reach nearly won it late it.

 

Dawson played the following season, saved the pen from McGoldrick on 14th mins.

Yeah, I’m mixing the two games. Both 0-0 and both with the Pigs bigging up a massacre. Loosens was sent off in one of them.
Isolated games perhaps, but both keepers did well in those games.

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Both Wildsmith and Dawson aren't good enough 4 where we want 2b, and same can be said of BPF, although he's the lesser of two evils if only because he's a bit more of a physical presence. He frightens me to death and I feel he's an accident waiting to happen, and past few games you can see some of defence had a right go at him..... With justification 

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30 minutes ago, Reesh said:

Think that was the night Reach nearly won it late it.

That was when the Utd goalkeeper played dead for 5 seconds, Reach melted one towards the top corner and the **** miraculously recovered, tipped it over the bar and died again 😡

1 hour ago, Tylluan said:

We need to find a 22/23 version of the 14/15 Westwood. 

Karl Darlow?

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10 hours ago, Tylluan said:

I think Owling's alluding to the shambles of the ostracism of Westwood by certain managers, for whatever reason, and the coaching of both Dawson and Wildsmith which didn't address their fallibilities

Correct, plus that we've effectively ended up again without our own keeper. 

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I don’t mind BPF, but, he suffers from the same issues as JW and CD in that he will is prone to a rick, that leads to a goal. That boils down to concentration levels that.

JW and CD are probably league one level at best, BPF is a L1/Championship keeper. I do agree with the sentiments though, it would be good to try and get in an experienced proven Championship keeper next season similar to the deals we did for Kirkland and Westwood. It’s doable too because squads will shrink next season so they will be out there to sign.

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Matt Ryan, maybe worth a shout.. 

3 hours ago, Tylluan said:

John Ruddy will be looking for a new club at the end of the season.

Matt Ryan wants to come back from Spain as it's not worked out for him at Real Sociedad

 

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