Hirstys 12th Pint Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 30 minutes ago, Neville Facking Bartos said: Are people really suggesting we were in a position to request a fee for him? The fact he’s still here now the window is shut should give you a clue Lots of loans now have fees attached to them of some form. Typically for Wednesday we could not get the deal done. I do think Marvin has been caught as a 'victim' of circumstance through change of Manager, style and formation. These things happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neville Facking Bartos Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 1 minute ago, Supercockle said: others move on. Or not in this case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neville Facking Bartos Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 1 minute ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said: Lots of loans now have fees attached to them of some form. Typically for Wednesday we could not get the deal done. I do think Marvin has been caught as a 'victim' of circumstance through change of Manager, style and formation. These things happen. They do, and others don’t. When you’re paying someone that’s contributing nothing and there aren’t many suitors I’d argue if you ask for a loan fee the deal won’t get done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 5 minutes ago, Neville Facking Bartos said: They do, and others don’t. When you’re paying someone that’s contributing nothing and there aren’t many suitors I’d argue if you ask for a loan fee the deal won’t get done You're just focusing on this as yet another stick to beat the club with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 14 minutes ago, Neville Facking Bartos said: Not really, been clear as day since the beginning of the season. Move him on and save on wages Easy, really. You should be in charge. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellsview Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 This is the bit from the news article that got my attention. FIFA clarified its regulations on the “status and transfer of players” (RSTP) in November 2021. Amendments to Article 14 (2) found that asking a player to train on their own may result in a club engaging in “abusive conduct”. The change is thought to have come about after it was suggested the theory of a player training alone could be at odds with UK employment law. If any of that is true (and I’m not for one minute suggesting that it is) then I have no issue whatsoever with the PFA getting involved and investigating. Whatever anyone’s thoughts are on the situation, the club is not above the law! I’d like to know who contacted them though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelters Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 I genuinely don’t get the fuss about this (well I suppose I do, it’s another stick to beat Chansiri with). Manager doesn’t fancy a player who is over 30 and didn’t always shine in League One. Club perhaps tried to hold out for more but bluff was called, gamble didn’t come off. So what. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 54 minutes ago, Bellsview said: This is the bit from the news article that got my attention. FIFA clarified its regulations on the “status and transfer of players” (RSTP) in November 2021. Amendments to Article 14 (2) found that asking a player to train on their own may result in a club engaging in “abusive conduct”. The change is thought to have come about after it was suggested the theory of a player training alone could be at odds with UK employment law. If any of that is true (and I’m not for one minute suggesting that it is) then I have no issue whatsoever with the PFA getting involved and investigating. Whatever anyone’s thoughts are on the situation, the club is not above the law! I’d like to know who contacted them though. Bet it was some **** off Owlstalk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Honestly asking in case I've missed something but has the club started making Johnson train on his own? Yorkshire Live website says it 'understands' Johnson is training alone but Xisco says he's with the squad, using the same fitness coaches, and using the same facilities as everyone else. The PFA standpoint is that a player should have access to same standard of training resources if he's not in the squad. The other option is that Johnson is actively training on his own, or his agent has suggested it, so it makes the club look bad. George Hirst did the same under orders from his agent. Refused to train with the 21s. If that's so then FIFA article 14 won't count as long as the club isn't denying him access. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supercockle Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 5 minutes ago, Reesh said: Bet it was some **** off Owlstalk. Probably Bartos. He isn’t training with the first team squad but he isn’t training on his own. That’s what I got from Xisco’s press conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neville Facking Bartos Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 1 hour ago, Reesh said: You're just focusing on this as yet another stick to beat the club with I’ll call out and highlight our fuck ups, post increase will no doubt go through the roof now 1 hour ago, Owling_Wolf said: Easy, really. You should be in charge. Would be an improvement on the current incumbent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 6 minutes ago, Reesh said: Bet it was some **** off Owlstalk. Hargreaves been standing McClure's shoulders to peep over the fence at Middlewood and seen Johnson playing wall ball on his own in the carpark 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neville Facking Bartos Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 2 minutes ago, Supercockle said: Probably Bartos. He isn’t training with the first team squad but he isn’t training on his own. That’s what I got from Xisco’s press conference. Yawn. Look back at that training story I said it’s a non story. No excuse for pissing more money away though when we had the opportunity to farm him out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 2 minutes ago, Neville Facking Bartos said: I’ll call out and highlight our fuck ups. How is this a fuck up? No one knows why the Derby loan broke down apart from Derby, Wednesday, Johnson and probably his agent. Just because he's still drawing a wage doesn't mean the club fucked up. Every player still has a worth and disregarding that worth just to get him off the books is wrong. We might recuperate his wages if we offload in January and still save on the next 6 months. So just to dump him to get rid seems kind of stupid. If Derby really wanted him that much they'd have structured some kind of payment option. What's a £100k to us and Derby? About the same revenue two home games would generate so the pissing around was over a month's income. We're not talking bankrupting Derby here. If Warne really wanted him they'd have done the deal. This was Warne pissing in the wind to see which way it blew and if we'd release him for nothing. He has a track record for it. Just look up how many last minute loan deals Rotherham didn't quite pull off while he was there. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Owl Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 He's contracted to SWFC. We can ask what ever we want for him, Derby didn't want to pay it so he stays put. What a drama about about absolutely nothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 How much do people think loans actually cost. Do you think our loan signings don't come with a fee attached, a promotion bonus etc. It may have been at one of the fans forums where Chansiri suggested that that cost of a loan player is not that far off what a transfer could cost. Maybe that is a year on year basis. I don't know. Don't talk to me about employment law, I often play with myself in the office and that got me in a lot of trouble I can tell you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelters Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 We’ve paid a lot more to players in the past who aren’t playing and I don’t remember this level of fuss about it. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted September 15 Author Share Posted September 15 Players get frozen out. It happens, has happened for years and will happen again and again. Not nice for Marv, but he’s still training, and still getting paid considerably more than probably all of us on here. He’ll move on in January, and that’s it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neville Facking Bartos Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 3 hours ago, Tylluan said: No one knows why the Derby loan broke down apart from Derby, Wednesday, Johnson and probably his agent. Thought you might had heard to be fair 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted September 15 Author Share Posted September 15 19 minutes ago, Neville Facking Bartos said: Thought you might had heard to be fair 😁 He has. He’s not telling you. That’s all. 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAL Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 I thought he had already told us? Have i been wooshed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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