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Think Moore can't win in these situations.

If he went gung ho full on attack at them tonight, and we lost 4 or 5-0, I assume the moaners about Moores tactics would be giving him a round of applause for them.

It felt almost like Plymouth, Sunderland really pressed us with high intensity and didn't allow us any time on the ball. Digging in was required and bar a mistake from Hutch, we go back 0-0. They were completely overloading us that second half and Moores decision to move Windass back for a 5 across the midfield really helped

I think our tactical plan was almost working. We tried to shut the crowd up which we were doing. A mistake by Hutchinson led to them scoring. That bought them confidence and we had to ride it out. 

I'd rather have a chance of turning this tie round, rather than going to Hillsborough with the tie all but over. 

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3 hours ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said:

Well that was fookin horrible to watch.

I'm torn - bad mistake but could have capitulated in the first 15 of second half.  We needed to still be in the game which we are.  We have come away one down up against a decent team with 43,000 behind them

Have they played to their limit whereas we were at 80%?

No, mate: because they've missed absolute sitters tonight. Unforgivable sitters.  That one from BPF's far too casual header was an astonishing miss. It was directly below and in front of us all. When he pulled it wide the relief was palpable.  

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4 hours ago, Wawaw said:

Still in the tie 

Moore got tactics wrong today, Bazza wasn’t fit, BPF seemed to be struggling, should and could have been 3 nowt down by 60 mins. 
 

roll on Monday, don’t ffs lads freeze. Uto 

Not sure he did, Wawaw. Baz was deffo nowhere near his usual levels: it became quite obvious in the first ten minutes. I wonder if DM changed our usual set-up to accomodate that scenario with him in his 'old' rôle of 'Quarterback' in front / between the defence.  After all  in the last few months he has become our absolute talisman. His presence, even when not at 100%, would be expected to have an influence on both sides.

On the other hand I can see what MAL is arguing in that at times he was off and chasing wide or upfield but maybe that was simply necessary to cover people. And he wasn't able to do it at his usual full speed. 

A general point: after the disastrous mistake immediately before half time we were subjected to crushing pressure by a revitalised Sunderland team and crowd that previously we'd nicely shut up.  That was actually redoubled for a long, draining spell from the kickoff second half. The sheer din and pressure on all of us was almost as bad as during the first 25 minutes or so of the second leg at Brighton, which - being right behind our goal - felt like we were facing a tsunami. This time it was different, like we were looking almost vertically down through the wrong end of a telescope.  Wednesday were stretched almost to breaking point at times but one or two steady heads at the back always seemed to save the day.

We slowly clawed our way back into the contest and damn nearly equalised late on when their defenders dived in and hacked away what looked from the other end like a scoring shot. What a filip that would have been!

Going back to Baz to finish: off the top I can't remember a captain ever giving a player such a bollocking as the one he gave to BPF after his bonkers header to their forward in our box. On and on it went, absolutely shouting his head off in fury.  I hope the keeper remembers it! 

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The key for me is that we are still in the game. Worth repeating the stat that in League 1 no team has come back from a first leg 2 goal deficit for 15 years. Though I reckon MK Dons may rectify that tomorrow.

The game was a reflection of our season, if we lose the midfield battle we struggle offensively. If we get placed under a lot of pressure, particularly down the flanks we concede a lot of chances. For Sams first half howler he saved another with a block from Roberts 

But its the fact there is a defensive laspe of concentration or mistake that really costs us. I get the ethos is retaining possession - look at the first half when we didn't do that and went long - but not when there is danger. The goal and the BPF header were the notable moments but there were several others if you dare watch the game back.

So all to play for and it will be fascinating how both sides approach the 2nd game 

 

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And on the basis he starts a rendition of Oh Sammy will be appropriate. Lets back our players not get on their back.

I will debate the merits of a player in the team with anyone, but when that player puts on the Wednesday shirt I back them. I really didn't get the pre match angst about Palmer starting, in the end he was probably our best player 

So let's support Sam 

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9 hours ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said:

Know exactly what you are saying but imagine the melt down if same result and Bannan on the bench. 

Byers for me had a very poor game out of the midfield. 

He did. Byers is decent but when it's a game where we need legs in middle we've got 3 who, while technically very good, zero pace

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1 hour ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said:

The key for me is that we are still in the game. Worth repeating the stat that in League 1 no team has come back from a first leg 2 goal deficit for 15 years. Though I reckon MK Dons may rectify that tomorrow.

The game was a reflection of our season, if we lose the midfield battle we struggle offensively. If we get placed under a lot of pressure, particularly down the flanks we concede a lot of chances. For Sams first half howler he saved another with a block from Roberts 

But its the fact there is a defensive laspe of concentration or mistake that really costs us. I get the ethos is retaining possession - look at the first half when we didn't do that and went long - but not when there is danger. The goal and the BPF header were the notable moments but there were several others if you dare watch the game back.

So all to play for and it will be fascinating how both sides approach the 2nd game 

 

This works for me 

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One thing that really fucked me off last night was the ref.

There we’re so many times we should have had free kicks and didn’t, yet they did when they went down. He certainly seemed to be influenced by the crowd on many occasions. 

 

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Looking round on YouTube this morning, there’s a few Sunderland videos with headlines on them like ‘we’re going to Wembley’ etc etc. 

It’s not over, by a long stretch. And as much as I obviously want us to turn it around, it makes me want us to do it even more to shut stupid fuckers up like that. 

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https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2022/may/darren-moore-post-sunderland-talking-points/
 

ON THE GAME

The game started exactly the way I thought it would and we were prepared for that. The atmosphere was ferocious, it was a full house, and their fans really got behind their team. But we contained them, we stuck to our jobs and as half time was coming it looked like we would be going in level. Obviously it’s a shame that it was a mistake that led to the goal and my team talk changed in an instant. It was now about settling them back down, regrouping and making sure we did not concede again.

ON FIGHTING BACK

Credit to the players because they left everything out there and although we know we can be better on the ball, we were dogged, we were determined and on another day we take something from the game. But it’s half time, they will come to a sold-out Hillsborough packed to the rafters like we had to come here tonight. It’s two massive clubs battling for one prize and now we turn our focus to the second leg, we recover and prepare for Monday.

IMPORTANCE OF THE FANS

Sunderland’s fans were loud tonight, really loud, so what do I want from our fans on Monday? To be louder, simple as that. I could hear them tonight high up in the stands and that was against 40-odd thousand Sunderland fans, so what could it be like at Hillsborough? They have to be our 12th man, get right behind the boys and sign your hearts out because the players appreciate it and thrive on it.

ON THE SQUAD

Everyone seems to be okay in there and we will see if there are any bumps and bruises in the morning. In terms of the selection tonight, Baz was fine to play and I thought he worked really hard throughout and he was constantly encouraging like good captains do. We thought long and hard about putting Harlee back in but my goodness what a performance. He headed everything, he kicked everything and made one vital block to prevent a goal. With Hunty, we went for Liam because we wanted that little more physicality and Liam knows the right back role like the back of his hand. Listen, everyone wants to play, the whole squad wants to play but we can only pick XI and we will select the XI we think can win any given game.

 

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53 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

One thing that really fucked me off last night was the ref.

There we’re so many times we should have had free kicks and didn’t, yet they did when they went down. He certainly seemed to be influenced by the crowd on many occasions. 

 

Yes same here.  Nothing major but quite a few nudges in the back. 

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Morning after the night before 

going into last night I said to everyone around me I’d take a 1-0 loss there and then. 
what really knocked the stuffing out of me was the performance AND the fact that I really Didn’t see anything special from that Sunderland side. 20 minutes in once we’d quietened the crowd down I started to think we could have a good go here and turn them over 

if we’d got to half time at 0 0 and ended it 0 0 we’d all be welding completely different. It’s 1 mistake and mistakes do happen in life and football. 
 

Hillsborough will be much louder and much more intense on Monday (aside from the numbers I wasn’t impressed at all with their crowd). 
I hope the players turn up as we KNOW they have it in them. If we go out with a whimper having not had a proper go I’ll be devestated. 

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4 minutes ago, 1banana2banana said:

Morning after the night before 

going into last night I said to everyone around me I’d take a 1-0 loss there and then. 
what really knocked the stuffing out of me was the performance AND the fact that I really Didn’t see anything special from that Sunderland side. 20 minutes in once we’d quietened the crowd down I started to think we could have a good go here and turn them over 

if we’d got to half time at 0 0 and ended it 0 0 we’d all be welding completely different. It’s 1 mistake and mistakes do happen in life and football. 
 

Hillsborough will be much louder and much more intense on Monday (aside from the numbers I wasn’t impressed at all with their crowd). 
I hope the players turn up as we KNOW they have it in them. If we go out with a whimper having not had a proper go I’ll be devestated. 

Fair points there mate.

I tweeted on the OO account that we needed half time. Not because I thought, we were under the cosh particularly, just that they’d have been frustrated at throwing things at us but we hadn’t caved (nor did we look like we would).

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3 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

Fair points there mate.

I tweeted on the OO account that we needed half time. Not because I thought, we were under the cosh particularly, just that they’d have been frustrated at throwing things at us but we hadn’t caved (nor did we look like we would).

I’ll give the account a follow. Let’s hope for a massive performance Monday. It will be electric! 

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One thing I don't understand

Why are the 2 games being played over a 48 hour period when the Final isn't being played until the 21st May?

That goes for both sets of games, surely it would've been better to play 1st on a Friday (as it was) followed by the 2nd leg on the Tuesday or Wednesday? 

Gives them 3 days rest & not just 2.

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3 hours ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said:

And on the basis he starts a rendition of Oh Sammy will be appropriate. Lets back our players not get on their back.

I will debate the merits of a player in the team with anyone, but when that player puts on the Wednesday shirt I back them. I really didn't get the pre match angst about Palmer starting, in the end he was probably our best player 

So let's support Sam 

He'll rightly get the support but imagine if it had been Palmer that made that mistake

2 hours ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said:

Just watched back the goal and may be defending Sam but looks as there is a dry slight slip in there as about to set himself. 

 

Just got to put your laces through it, concede the throw in and reset

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13 minutes ago, Reesh said:

No defending Sam for that, schoolboy.

 

Should've been on row z, had plenty of time to wack it out.

No excuses for BPF though in Regards to that header to Sammy, that was fucking horrendous 

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Cold light of day. 

 

We were under par

They should have put the tie to bed in that 10 or so mins after the break. 

Last 20 or so minutes they dropped that deep I put ITV Humberside on to watch the game. 

For me the 1st ten on Monday is now key, we don't let a sloppy goal in we win the tie. 

They called that a good performance 

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So frustrating and so typical of this season that we lost the first leg due to a stupid mistake. Hutch cocked up, plain and simple, but he also saved what looked a certain goal with his block on Roberts' shot. Overall, I had Hutch as one of our best performers (cock-up aside)

 

If that was typical of our season, we can hope for a typical home result on Monday too, which should mean a victory. I hope it's by more than one goal though, I couldn't cope with extra time and pos. penalties 😮

 

1-0 was a vast improvement on the 5-0 earlier in the season too. 

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3 hours ago, HoylandOwl said:

One thing that really fucked me off last night was the ref.

There we’re so many times we should have had free kicks and didn’t, yet they did when they went down. He certainly seemed to be influenced by the crowd on many occasions. 

 

I said it throughout the game Terry, the Ref gave us fuck all. 

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I still think Sunderland started to tire towards the end and that we finished the game the stronger and fitter side - hopefully that transfers onto the pitch on Monday.

Tactics we’re utter shite but that doesn’t matter now, as we rode our luck and came away with a scoreline which very much keeps us in the tie.

Monday, start with Gregory and Windass, and if he’s fit switch Hunt for Palmer.

Then play our usual game and let Sunderland find a way to stop us, not us try to reinvent the wheel. Our home form has been outstanding, and as the saying goes, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it! 

What I will say though is that we need to up our concentration, stay focused and don’t fuck about with the ball at the back when we have it. We switched off and gave a needless goal away v Portsmouth early on last week (we can’t do that on Monday) and we saw what Sam and BPF did yesterday, with us paying the ultimate price for Sam’s mistake. 

I’m confident though. We are a strong side at home and we have goals in us - and having Windass back is an added and welcome bonus! 

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I didn’t watch it live, but did watch it back this morning. The plan was clearly to contain and quieten the crowd and then try and step on the gas second half.

We almost succeeded, but for the bad mistake from Hutch. That lifted them and we got a battering up to about the 70 minute mark when they should have secured Wembley. They created and missed several good chances, we couldn’t cope with the press and tempo, we were stretched. But we did do the dirty things with blocks and headers.

And as others have said, we did get stronger and we looked half decent for the last 15. 

You could almost say that we succeeded with the plan.

Mondays message is very clear for us, we’ve got to win the game and the team has to reflect that.

BPF

Storey, Dean, Hutch

Hunt, Bannan, Luongo, Dele, Johnson

Windass, Gregory

Sunderland are in an awkward spot because they are in a halfway situation. Do they have a go? Do they sit in? Whereas we have to get after them.

I think it’s a next goal winner tie. If we score and score early, I can see a very easy night. If they score early, I can see us collapsing.

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15 minutes ago, KrolMong said:

I didn’t watch it live, but did watch it back this morning. The plan was clearly to contain and quieten the crowd and then try and step on the gas second half.

We almost succeeded, but for the bad mistake from Hutch. That lifted them and we got a battering up to about the 70 minute mark when they should have secured Wembley. They created and missed several good chances, we couldn’t cope with the press and tempo, we were stretched. But we did do the dirty things with blocks and headers.

And as others have said, we did get stronger and we looked half decent for the last 15. 

You could almost say that we succeeded with the plan.

Mondays message is very clear for us, we’ve got to win the game and the team has to reflect that.

BPF

Storey, Dean, Hutch

Hunt, Bannan, Luongo, Dele, Johnson

Windass, Gregory

Sunderland are in an awkward spot because they are in a halfway situation. Do they have a go? Do they sit in? Whereas we have to get after them.

I think it’s a next goal winner tie. If we score and score early, I can see a very easy night. If they score early, I can see us collapsing.

1st ten minutes are key, we don't concede inside that I back us

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2 hours ago, Reesh said:

No defending Sam for that, schoolboy.

 

It was but I think the ball skipped on a bit quicker than he thought and he couldn't adjust his feet. Gutted 4 him but he's mentally strong enough 2 deal with it. Wish had more like him. 

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Might sound daft but I just think we're better than them. It's the fact we just lumped it forwards time and time again. It gave front 2 no chance. The tie is far from over, even if we concede first. If we play our way, we're more than good enough 

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I don’t think anyone would deny last night was disappointing including the players and staff. However coming away at 1-0 isn’t the end of the world.

I think DM was beaten by the more experienced manager and the tactics of Sunderland. In the post match interview AN said his tactics had been changed.

Having said all of that and as some have said we lost the game bc of a mistake even if we did ride our luck at times.

In hindsight maybe we would have been better off playing CP alongside LG last night. Sometimes when we play a team that has got a big centre half group like Sunderland did LG is better as the foil to someone like CP, neither of our strikers got much joy. I do think that was partly down to our wing backs and midfield weren’t high enough up the pitch though to make the runs that LG and SB feed off.

I’m not sure we can say BB wasn’t fit last night. He may not have been 100% but I suspect it’s more down to how we and they set up and how they planned to nullify BB. I suspect they expected him to play.

As for Monday, we will need to be a bit more positive but I’m not sure we need to do anything over and above how we approached any of our home games since the turn of the year. In fact if we do it could be our downfall. Bringing Hunt in would seem likely but the rest would seem to me be about tactical choices.

The SB or JW choice seems to be a tricky one. Would DM spring a surprise and bring in CP, I doubt it.

I also wonder whether Gibson is fit enough and worth starting instead of Hutch. Although he wasn’t even on the bench yesterday, you could look at that both ways though, ie he’s saving him given the time between games (to change out Hutch) or he simply isn’t fit enough - he’s not been brought on in any of the recent games.

Its still all to play for and we can do it, but I think it’s 60/40 in Sunderland’s favour.

I guess we’ve got to hope we can only play better than we did yesterday and with a good backing like against Pompey even if they score first it’s all still possible.

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3 hours ago, Bellsview said:

I still think Sunderland started to tire towards the end and that we finished the game the stronger and fitter side - hopefully that transfers onto the pitch on Monday.

Tactics we’re utter shite but that doesn’t matter now, as we rode our luck and came away with a scoreline which very much keeps us in the tie.

Monday, start with Gregory and Windass, and if he’s fit switch Hunt for Palmer.

Then play our usual game and let Sunderland find a way to stop us, not us try to reinvent the wheel. Our home form has been outstanding, and as the saying goes, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it! 

What I will say though is that we need to up our concentration, stay focused and don’t fuck about with the ball at the back when we have it. We switched off and gave a needless goal away v Portsmouth early on last week (we can’t do that on Monday) and we saw what Sam and BPF did yesterday, with us paying the ultimate price for Sam’s mistake. 

I’m confident though. We are a strong side at home and we have goals in us - and having Windass back is an added and welcome bonus! 

Windass looked nowhere near fit. I wondered if he got a knock in his first contact.  

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6 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said:

Windass looked nowhere near fit. I wondered if he got a knock in his first contact.  

I only watched the game on tv so didn’t have the view of him that you did, but he didn’t seem to be blowing out of his backside or struggling to keep up with the pace of the game from what I saw.

I still think I’d like to see him start, in the hope that he makes an impact, rather than see him brought on because we are chasing the game. But if we do start with Berahino instead, then I hope we are set up in a way where he can get into the game, because for long periods it passed him by last night.

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2 hours ago, Mark said:

Might sound daft but I just think we're better than them. It's the fact we just lumped it forwards time and time again. It gave front 2 no chance. The tie is far from over, even if we concede first. If we play our way, we're more than good enough 

It was painful watching it as we didn’t show anything of what we could do. Players who have performed well kept hitting the deck too, slipping.

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23 minutes ago, Bellsview said:

I only watched the game on tv so didn’t have the view of him that you did, but he didn’t seem to be blowing out of his backside or struggling to keep up with the pace of the game from what I saw.

I still think I’d like to see him start, in the hope that he makes an impact, rather than see him brought on because we are chasing the game. But if we do start with Berahino instead, then I hope we are set up in a way where he can get into the game, because for long periods it passed him by last night.

He wasn’t his best self but he made more of an impact than SB. He’s not a nervous player and looks strong and quick in those inbetween spaces so that alone adds something that is difficult to defend. I’d play him if he’s available 

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Personally, I believe a player with play off semi final and final experience should have started, hence leaving an in form Jack Hunt out seemed a strange decision. 

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1 hour ago, Bellsview said:

I only watched the game on tv so didn’t have the view of him that you did, but he didn’t seem to be blowing out of his backside or struggling to keep up with the pace of the game from what I saw.

I still think I’d like to see him start, in the hope that he makes an impact, rather than see him brought on because we are chasing the game. But if we do start with Berahino instead, then I hope we are set up in a way where he can get into the game, because for long periods it passed him by last night.

Funnily enough any slight limp showed more when he wasn't near the ball so just walking or stood. He just looked a little awkward.  That's why I mentioned it as T.V. would probably not have had him on then. 

Ref. Berahino, etc, I hope he doesn't choose NML up front. That's just not worked imo. 

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