Dingles (A) match thread

[HappyOwl]

Well that was deflating 😡😡😡

had to lose sometime onwards and just win the league now and all tonight is insignificant 

Wednesday you got me wondering 

[HoylandOwl]

2 minutes ago, owl4ever1867 said:

Byers is a massive loss, you don't actually realise how good he really is until he's out of a game like tonight.

Hopefully Windass isnt out for too long.

Great to see Gregory on the scoresheet again, will do his confidence the world of good, just need to get Smith firing again now.

I thought they played very well together tonight, more cohesion between them than we've seen previously. That first goal being the prime example. 

[Bellsview]

1 minute ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said:

There are a lot of moans about us not signing back up strikers in January. Aside from the fact our record is no better than 50 50 on loan signings, we still have potentially 5 options. It's unfortunate that 3 are injured and indeed Patterson got injured when he was defending ! 

The loss of Byers is the most telling 

I’ve been thinking back to the transfer window since the final whistle. Ipswich and Plymouth brought players in and are now reaping the rewards, we didn’t and it’s now showing in terms of player choices and squad availability.

Still think we’ve enough in the tank to grab an automatic spot, and I’m not getting carried away with tonight’s result either as we did play well for long periods, but if we had been able to add a couple or so more additions to the squad back in January, I think we too would now be seeing the benefits of those extra players, as we do look limited in terms of what we have available, especially on the bench.

And that told tonight.

[HoylandOwl]

1 minute ago, Bellsview said:

I’ve been thinking back to the transfer window since the final whistle. Ipswich and Plymouth brought players in and are now reaping the rewards, we didn’t and it’s now showing in terms of player choices and squad availability.

Still think we’ve enough in the tank to grab an automatic spot, and I’m not getting carried away with tonight’s result either as we did play well for long periods, but if we had been able to add a couple or so more additions to the squad back in January, I think we too would now be seeing the benefits of those extra players, as we do look limited in terms of what we have available, especially on the bench.

And that told tonight.

It's still in our hands, Bells. 

We've got three games now before Ipswich and Plymouth play again I think. If we can win all three......

[owl4ever1867]

6 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

It's still in our hands, Bells. 

We've got three games now before Ipswich and Plymouth play again I think. If we can win all three......

Ipswich vs Derby - 1st Aprl

SWFC vs Lincoln - 1st April 

Barnsley vs Morecambe - 1st April

Plymouth vs Bolton - 2nd April - EFL Trophy

Prior to that : 

SWFC vs Forest Green - 26th March

SWFC vs Cheltenham - 29th March 

Exeter vs Barnsley - 28th March

 

[HappyOwl]

The fuckin meltdown from some fans is just embarrassing move on fuck em dingle bastards 

Hope whoever got sparked out across from the station is ok don’t know if he was ours or there’s but eh ho

Ive been all over the country following us and oakwell and the stain are the worst grounds to get away from 😡😡😡

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

25 minutes ago, Bellsview said:

I’ve been thinking back to the transfer window since the final whistle. Ipswich and Plymouth brought players in and are now reaping the rewards, we didn’t and it’s now showing in terms of player choices and squad availability.

Still think we’ve enough in the tank to grab an automatic spot, and I’m not getting carried away with tonight’s result either as we did play well for long periods, but if we had been able to add a couple or so more additions to the squad back in January, I think we too would now be seeing the benefits of those extra players, as we do look limited in terms of what we have available, especially on the bench.

And that told tonight.

It would have been the Wednesday way though to have signed someone who immediately got injured.

Moore has apparently said Windass and Byers are awaiting specialists reports. Does not bode well.

The real issue is that we have no players knocking from the development squad or U18 - perhaps we have to be brave here. Not saying these players are the solution, but they can have a habit of being unknown, the ball dropping in the right place.

We had 5 attackers, I suspect Barnsley only have a similar number. 

[JBO]

Again I'm sure we could have signed any number of players in January but Moore thought those available wouldn't improve our squad and I back him on that.

We were a touch unlucky tonight but the sloppy start cost us in the end.

We start the next unbeaten run on Sunday and win this league 

[HappyOwl]

Shut half a stand and announce sell out tinpot dingle bastards 

[HoylandOwl]

Technically, all available seats were sold. I've no issue with that tbh. We do the same. 

[HoylandOwl]

What I have to say about the post match stuff I've read from both managers. 

It was brilliant, respectful, honest and no shit slinging. 

Michael Duff has done a great job at Oakwell, no doubt, and has spoken well when I've heard him in the past and I've certainly gained more respect for him in the lead up to this and after this. However, I hope they don't go up. 🙂

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

4 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

What I have to say about the post match stuff I've read from both managers. 

It was brilliant, respectful, honest and no shit slinging. 

Michael Duff has done a great job at Oakwell, no doubt, and has spoken well when I've heard him in the past and I've certainly gained more respect for him in the lead up to this and after this. However, I hope they don't go up. 🙂

He was obviously thrilled, appreciated they had rode their luck a tad, but took the chance for the 3rd well. 

At the same time they suddenly have the pressure of the unbeaten run on their shoulders, plus the weight of expectation of a fan base who now think automatic promotion is on. 

They are a young side, that goes one of two ways, you have no fear and carry on or you wilt 

For me our unbeaten run was becoming a distraction to the task in hand, saves us from the fuckin awful tweets from Joe Crann and alex Miller about "how many ifs or whats since the last defeat". 

 

[HoylandOwl]

1 minute ago, Neville Facking Bartos said:

Just watched the goals back, Dawson culpable for the first. At the ground I also thought he should do better for the 2nd by getting down quicker but probably a little harsh. For the 3rd Famewo has to do much better, to me looks like he’s headed a ball at foot height to save having to use his right foot, get ya fucking foot through it  

On the January window I said at the time it could bit us on the arse, hopefully it doesn’t transpire that way. I get the argument for wanting to improve the squad with incomings but surely you have to consider whether they improve the squad if we have 5 or 6 out injured 

It's easy to pick out the negatives. But there were so many positives too. 

Riding out a storm, coming back from two cock ups from players who have been so reliable for months now. Gregory and Smith linking up, Gregory's predatory instincts are back. Calming their fans, and controlling the game for long periods. 

And, by and large, our fans have remained pragmatic and the baby isn't getting chucked out with the bath water. 

[Hirstys 12th Pint]

4 minutes ago, Neville Facking Bartos said:

Just watched the goals back, Dawson culpable for the first. At the ground I also thought he should do better for the 2nd by getting down quicker but probably a little harsh. For the 3rd Famewo has to do much better, to me looks like he’s headed a ball at foot height to save having to use his right foot, get ya fucking foot through it  

On the January window I said at the time it could bit us on the arse, hopefully it doesn’t transpire that way. I get the argument for wanting to improve the squad with incomings but surely you have to consider whether they improve the squad if we have 5 or 6 out injured 

With regards to the goals last night I was very critical of Liam Palmer in the phase of play for the first goal.  Ball comes in the box and he is stood with his arms in the air presumably calling for offside then inexplicably heads the ball straight in the causing confusion in the box.  They then from memory picked up the ball in the second phase and put the ball through to Cole.

If Palmer sees the ball out of play confusion doesn't reign and we don't concede, and then can say the second doesn't happen either as a result.   I've not seen this back though as was at Oakwell so may be being harsh.

The second was poor from Flint playing a ball into Vaulks when seem to remember was surrounded by Dingles.  Thought Dawson could have done better with the shot and most definitely decision making on the first. 

Third was bad luck I though but was strange heading at such a low height. 

[Mark]

12 hours ago, HappyOwl said:

Shut half a stand and announce sell out tinpot dingle bastards 

Gone are the days they gave us that part of stand

[Mark]

Can't deny I'm still gutted. I actually think we should have won never mind not lost.

At time I blame Dawson for both 1st two goals. First he either totally commits straight away comes out and gets it or stay where he is. Did neither. 

2nd I thought he should do better. Stockdale was dropped 4 similar goal.

As I've said previously Vaulks is 1 of my fav players but his lack of mobility and pace can cause us a problem but he wasn't THE problem. We lack pace all over. Strange game as we played much better than at home v them and they played worse. Still lost.

Our record is not great v top 6. I hope that doesn't come back to haunt us and I don't think it will

[HoylandOwl]

3 minutes ago, Mark said:

Our record is not great v top 6. I hope that doesn't come back to haunt us and I don't think it will

As we've only got Derby left to play from the top 6.. IIRC. We should be fine.

[Mark]

8 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

As we've only got Derby left to play from the top 6.. IIRC. We should be fine.

Yes absolutely. I was thinking past tense. Is it 6 points from games v you six?? That tells me something. 

Having said that in some of those games we've deserved more than we got

[HoylandOwl]

7 minutes ago, Mark said:

Yes absolutely. I was thinking past tense. Is it 6 points from games v you six?? That tells me something. 

Having said that in some of those games we've deserved more than we got

Where’s @Reesh when you need him 😜

[Reesh]

11 minutes ago, Mark said:

Yes absolutely. I was thinking past tense. Is it 6 points from games v you six?? That tells me something. 

Having said that in some of those games we've deserved more than we got

What the fuck are you on about?

[HoylandOwl]

1 minute ago, Reesh said:

What the fuck are you on about?

Think he’s asking, how many points have we got from teams in the top 6.

[Mark]

14 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

Think he’s asking, how many points have we got from teams in the top 6.

I am

[Reesh]

25 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

Think he’s asking, how many points have we got from teams in the top 6.

Well it's more than fucking six isn't it. Considering we got 4 from Bolton and beat Plymouth at Hillsborough,  thick ***** should research, we aren't here to babysit stupid people

 

[Mark]

4 minutes ago, Reesh said:

Well it's more than fucking six isn't it. Considering we got 4 from Bolton and beat Plymouth at Hillsborough,  thick ***** should research, we aren't here to babysit stupid people

 

Aren't you?

Apologies 

[Hirstys 12th Pint]

10 points out of 27  from my poor memory ?

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

44 minutes ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said:

10 points out of 27  from my poor memory ?

Win and a loss Plymouth 

Two draws v Ipswich 

Two defeats v Dingles 

Win and draw v Bolton

Draw v Derby - game to come of course 

I would say that is pretty acceptable against main rivals - Dingles aside 

 

 

[HoylandOwl]

1 hour ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said:

10 points out of 27  from my poor memory ?

Not so poor memory. 

[Mark]

1 hour ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said:

Win and a loss Plymouth 

Two draws v Ipswich 

Two defeats v Dingles 

Win and draw v Bolton

Draw v Derby - game to come of course 

I would say that is pretty acceptable against main rivals - Dingles aside 

 

 

10 from 27 is OK if your not going for top 2. By definition that are obviously going to be the most difficult games so it's unrealistic to expect say maybe 20 but because we were top and gone unbeaten for such a long time you'd hope for more. That said, tbf I think only the home game v Barnsley, 2nd half v Ipswich and parts of game v Bolton have we really been under the cosh. 

But clearly, as I've proved,my memory isn't the best😉😊

[HoylandOwl]

 

 

[Owling_Wolf]

1 hour ago, Mark said:

10 from 27 is OK if your not going for top 2. By definition that are obviously going to be the most difficult games so it's unrealistic to expect say maybe 20 but because we were top and gone unbeaten for such a long time you'd hope for more. That said, tbf I think only the home game v Barnsley, 2nd half v Ipswich and parts of game v Bolton have we really been under the cosh. 

But clearly, as I've proved,my memory isn't the best😉😊

Late on at Plymouth was pretty much one way traffic.  The goal at the end had been coming. 

[Mark]

35 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said:

Late on at Plymouth was pretty much one way traffic.  The goal at the end had been coming. 

Towards the end yes I think your right but I felt we'd played really well that night and took game to them and until Moore made the changes we were doing fine

[Owling_Wolf]

10 minutes ago, Mark said:

Towards the end yes I think your right but I felt we'd played really well that night and took game to them and until Moore made the changes we were doing fine

We ran out of legs that night.

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

2 hours ago, Mark said:

10 from 27 is OK if your not going for top 2. By definition that are obviously going to be the most difficult games so it's unrealistic to expect say maybe 20 but because we were top and gone unbeaten for such a long time you'd hope for more. That said, tbf I think only the home game v Barnsley, 2nd half v Ipswich and parts of game v Bolton have we really been under the cosh. 

But clearly, as I've proved,my memory isn't the best😉😊

Well promotion form is 2 points a game so 18 would be average.

However, the point particularly with draws is that the other side of the equation is cancelled out.

Our results v Plymouth cancel each other

We are ahead v Bolton

The negative is Barnsley

Plus by definition you could lose all those 10 games but if you won 30 and drew 6 against the rest of the division you would be promoted. 

[Mark]

18 minutes ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said:

Well promotion form is 2 points a game so 18 would be average.

However, the point particularly with draws is that the other side of the equation is cancelled out.

Our results v Plymouth cancel each other

We are ahead v Bolton

The negative is Barnsley

Plus by definition you could lose all those 10 games but if you won 30 and drew 6 against the rest of the division you would be promoted. 

Agreed. Yes totally got your point, it's not just about, obviously, beating top 6.

I guess my point is while we've obviously been on a brilliant run,at times we've bullied sides without playing them off the park. Nothing wrong with that it's happened 2us often enough. 

We've won a lot of games without playing great. Yes it's all about getting out of this division and I honestly thought Moore wouldn't be able to do it. But I think ill be proved wrong. Hes changed his approach. Last season we were more free flowing. This were more pragmatic. 

And we'll get promoted because of it I reckon. 

My worry is in (for me) ,unlikely event of us ending in play offs.........I wouldn't fancy us. But I guess same could be said 4 Ipswich and Plymouth 

 

[Reesh]

It's about mithering fannies making the most the noise after our 1st loss in 5 and a half months.

[Mark]

2 minutes ago, Reesh said:

It's about mithering fannies making the most the noise after our 1st loss in 5 and a half months.

Very true. I guess it's because the loss was 2 that lot. The time it doesn't hurt is the time to pack it in

[Reesh]

25 minutes ago, Mark said:

Very true. I guess it's because the loss was 2 that lot. The time it doesn't hurt is the time to pack it in

It's hardly like losing to the Pigs is it.

[Winco]

Barnsley got away with murder and they know it.

The dingles I know knew that it could’ve gone very wrong for them In that second half, we’ve gone half a season unbeaten it’s hardly end of the world.

we move on.

[Mark]

54 minutes ago, Reesh said:

It's hardly like losing to the Pigs is it.

No, true. Or tbh Leeds. But in this division them and Derby are not exactly one's I would choose

[Kiwi Owl]

5 hours ago, Mark said:

10 from 27 is OK if your not going for top 2. By definition that are obviously going to be the most difficult games so it's unrealistic to expect say maybe 20 but because we were top and gone unbeaten for such a long time you'd hope for more. That said, tbf I think only the home game v Barnsley, 2nd half v Ipswich and parts of game v Bolton have we really been under the cosh. 

But clearly, as I've proved,my memory isn't the best😉😊

My memory may not be as good as yours but 

I do believe Wigan Athletic only got 9 points from 27 against the top 6 last season. Us and Sunderland did the double over them.

Rotherham United only got 12 points from 27.

Against the good sides, its a lottery, it's more how you perform against the lower sides in the table. This is where we've been excellent at this season and what will get us over the line. That's what got Wigan over considering their form against the top 6

 

[Otto_Man]

3 hours ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said:

Well promotion form is 2 points a game so 18 would be average.

However, the point particularly with draws is that the other side of the equation is cancelled out.

Our results v Plymouth cancel each other

We are ahead v Bolton

The negative is Barnsley

Plus by definition you could lose all those 10 games but if you won 30 and drew 6 against the rest of the division you would be promoted. 

Glad you don't do my accounts...

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

21 minutes ago, Otto_Man said:

Glad you don't do my accounts...

What getting the maths right !

46 games

10 games you could lose

36 games you get points 

30 wins x 3 = 90

6 draws x 1 = 6

Total 96 points 

Should get you promotion

That will be £1500 plus VAT 

[HoylandOwl]

Even at this point, you'd be crazy to say it's not been a very good season. I'm not saying, if the wheels were to come off (WHICH THEY WON'T), then we wouldn't be talking otherwise. Of course we would. 

However, there's nothing, absolutely nothing to be mithering about right now. How many sides go half a season's worth of games unbeaten in one run? We've lost 4 games out of 36. Which is ridiculously good. We're amongst the top goalscorer in the leagues, only 2 other sides have scored more, and we've conceded the least in the division. It's fantastic. 

Considering the wobbles we WERE having at the start of the season, when questions were asked repeatedly about DM's leadership and management of the team, it's even MORE astonishing. 

Yes, there are times when we've battered sides and not blown them away but still won by and large, and there's just as many games where we could easily say 'we'd have lost that last season' and we haven't. Look at the outpouring of positivity at the result at Portsmouth as a very recent example of that. 

Losing to a 'local opponent' isn't ever nice. For some, it means more than others and I get that (I hated it last night due to family and friend links) but no, it's not losing to those from S2 bad. It just hurt more for me that we got back in, were dominating and looked more likely to go on and win, but for a bad bit of luck, I still insist we would have. 

However. It's still a very positive season, so far, and has far more promise than negativity ahead of us about it with the games we have left.. As I said before, it's in our hands. And so far. things being in our hands have gone very well. So there's absolutely no need to panic whatsoever. 

[Otto_Man]

1 hour ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said:

What getting the maths right !

46 games

10 games you could lose

36 games you get points 

30 wins x 3 = 90

6 draws x 1 = 6

Total 96 points 

Should get you promotion

That will be £1500 plus VAT 

It's more your 18 point average, remind me of our record against the team currently in second....

[Andyben]

11 hours ago, Reesh said:

It's hardly like losing to the Pigs is it.

It is for lots of you...

[Andyben]

8 hours ago, Otto_Man said:

It's more your 18 point average, remind me of our record against the team currently in second....

Aren't we second?

[Otto_Man]

4 minutes ago, Andyben said:

Aren't we second?

Precisely.

An average of 18 points presumes a maximum of 36 available which is 12 games (1 home and 1 away against each of the top 6), but it's only really 5 teams as we're one of the top 6.

Hence I won't be paying my £1500 + VAT invoice...

[EastCraigsOwl]

Like all good accountants, Mr MK owns a Rottweiler and a rifle.

You'll pay, whether you want to or not 😏

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

1 hour ago, Otto_Man said:

Precisely.

An average of 18 points presumes a maximum of 36 available which is 12 games (1 home and 1 away against each of the top 6), but it's only really 5 teams as we're one of the top 6.

Hence I won't be paying my £1500 + VAT invoice...

See you in court I was referring to the 9 games actually played against the top 5 teams to date 

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

12 minutes ago, EastCraigsOwl said:

Like all good accountants, Mr MK owns a Rottweiler and a rifle.

You'll pay, whether you want to or not 😏

Actually my practice manager's husband as a gun licence, does a lot of beating during the shooting season, access to a lot of isolated moors 

Even worse I have a Cath my slightly mental sister in law who is always up for a scrap