Sheffield Wednesday vs. Burton Albion Match Fred

[Germanbird]

It's Pizza Cup time again

 

This time we are playing against the team at the top of the table:

 

At least the form table provides some hope for a victory:

source: Sheffield Wednesday vs Burton Albion Predictions, Stats & H2H | FootyStats

 

UTO 💙🤍💙

 

[HoylandOwl]

OOH A VERY early match thread..... 

Welcome back @Germanbird 🤣

However, I suspect there'll be people that don't care about this match..... I aint overly fussed, but as we're playing I want us to win and I'll be watching.

[Reesh]

Hope we lose

[Reesh]

29 minutes ago, holmesfield_owl said:

I'd prefer two boring draws that would send us out having lost the first 🤣

We lose and we are out, job done

[Germanbird]

1 hour ago, HoylandOwl said:

OOH A VERY early match thread..... 

Welcome back @Germanbird 🤣

However, I suspect there'll be people that don't care about this match..... I aint overly fussed, but as we're playing I want us to win and I'll be watching.

Yeah, I am aware that it's a dangerous topic. I nearly got banned for opening the Matchday thread and poor Professor Plum got the ban for contributing in the discussion. But as I am a brave girl, I though I risk it again.

I am hoping for a win and I'm already looking forward to seeing all of you at Wembley.

A friend of mine went last season to the final and enjoyed it a lot - although it was only his "second team", who lost on the day.

[HoylandOwl]

Second team, that’s something I’ll never be able to do, and I suspect thats the same for 99.9% on here. There are teams in other countries I keep an eye on; like Marseille, but Wednesday will always be the focus point. 

[OptimisticOwl]

I think I'd say England are my 'second team'.

[Otto_Man]

Can't work out which former poster who's previously fell out with Walks I think germanbird is

[Tylluan]

We're running out of 'reserve' defenders to play in this one, especially with Galvin now out on loan. Expect to see Agbontahoma get some time and would like to see Iorfa get another run out to try and get some speed of thought back into his game before Wycombe. Jack Hunt should start as well. Mighten will probably start, though god knows which formation we'll play to try and fit him in, and Wilks and Paterson will probably be upfront. 

Be interesting to see how Burton line up and whether they try to keep the momentum going after Saturday's win. The team they put out against Leicester was only a couple of changes away from the one that narrowly lost the preceding league game. 

[Owling_Wolf]

Might see that new big lad that we signed at the same time as the 20 y.o. forward Cook. 

[HoylandOwl]

1 hour ago, Tylluan said:

We're running out of 'reserve' defenders to play in this one, especially with Galvin now out on loan. Expect to see Agbontahoma get some time and would like to see Iorfa get another run out to try and get some speed of thought back into his game before Wycombe. Jack Hunt should start as well. Mighten will probably start, though god knows which formation we'll play to try and fit him in, and Wilks and Paterson will probably be upfront. 

Be interesting to see how Burton line up and whether they try to keep the momentum going after Saturday's win. The team they put out against Leicester was only a couple of changes away from the one that narrowly lost the preceding league game. 

Interesting to see Burton win after Jimmy Floyd departed….. 

[Owling_Wolf]

23 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

Interesting to see Burton win after Jimmy Floyd departed….. 

He probably thinks so, too!

[Reesh]

3 hours ago, Germanbird said:

Yeah, I am aware that it's a dangerous topic. I nearly got banned for opening the Matchday thread and poor Professor Plum got the ban for contributing in the discussion. But as I am a brave girl, I though I risk it again.

I am hoping for a win and I'm already looking forward to seeing all of you at Wembley.

A friend of mine went last season to the final and enjoyed it a lot - although it was only his "second team", who lost on the day.

He got banned cos he's a ****

[owl71]

2 hours ago, Otto_Man said:

Can't work out which former poster who's previously fell out with Walks I think germanbird is

That’s because there’s too much choice 🤣

[Reesh]

30 minutes ago, owl71 said:

That’s because there’s too much choice 🤣

That's cos because there is an abundance of morons allowed Internet access 

[Kiwi Owl]

I would quite gladly take the same result of our home league game against Burton Albion on New Years Day 2018 

 

 

[Germanbird]

3 hours ago, Kiwi Owl said:

I would quite gladly take the same result of our home league game against Burton Albion on New Years Day 2018 

I'm always surprised how many people are against our own team. 

 

[owl71]

7 hours ago, PP2 said:

To be honest, I always had a lot of time for Professor Plum. He knew what he was talking about when commenting on the football whereas one or two think they do, you know who you are. He was a lone voice against the 2009 clique and the only thing anyone had against him was he stood up to bullies. Fair play to him, that's what I say.

Release the PP1, he's a diamond.

2009 clique?  Who exactly are the members of that supposed to be?  If I’m in it, nobody told me.  🤣

[Reesh]

8 hours ago, PP2 said:

To be honest, I always had a lot of time for Professor Plum. He knew what he was talking about when commenting on the football whereas one or two think they do, you know who you are. He was a lone voice against the 2009 clique and the only thing anyone had against him was he stood up to bullies. Fair play to him, that's what I say.

Release the PP1, he's a diamond.

Fucking *****

[Reesh]

14 minutes ago, owl71 said:

2009 clique?  Who exactly are the members of that supposed to be?  If I’m in it, nobody told me.  🤣

Free membership with every Darren Purse appearance witnessed

[Reesh]

2 hours ago, Germanbird said:

I'm always surprised how many people are against our own team. 

 

Our team? Fuck off, you're an Internet fan

[Germanbird]

1 minute ago, Reesh said:

Our team? Fuck off, you're an Internet fan

I DO SUPPORT the team and the club in any way I can.

Going to the game and putting the players down doesn't count as supporting.

Wishing the team to lose doesn't count as supporting , does it??

 

[HoylandOwl]

 

12 minutes ago, Germanbird said:

I DO SUPPORT the team and the club in any way I can.

Going to the game and putting the players down doesn't count as supporting.

Wishing the team to lose doesn't count as supporting , does it??

 

The issue is there'll never be uniform support for clubs playing in the Papa John's, Checkatrade, Johnstone's Paint trophy or whoever it's sponsored by. For a host of reasons. 

I don't want us to be in it, it highlights where we are in the league ladder and it's a competition which is unneeded and unwanted across the board, also the inclusion of the under 21's in it was the final nail in the coffin for it for others. Believe me, when I had the pleasure of working in football and getting to the final, and seeing my employers win it, did I enjoy it? Absolutely, it will live with me till I'm no more, but that was purely personal, in that I had a moment on the pitch in front of 40,000 that I'd only thought would ever happen when I was in my slumber, dreaming away... But the perfect demonstration of how it's not needed/wanted, there were fans of the club who boycotted the tournament, meaning they didn't go any of the games including the final and it was the club's first EVER visit to Wembley in over 100 years. So that's the type of anti-feeling for it. 

As a Wednesday fan, do I want us to lose? No. But conversely, do I want us in the competition? No, and that's because it's a distraction to the task at hand, it's easy to see how that's the case too for the team/manager with the changes in the games being as many as possible (yes he tinkers in league games but not as wholesale). Watch the side we select tomorrow night, it'll be very different. 

It's going to always be a polarising competition, and it's something that won't change. 

[Reesh]

30 minutes ago, Germanbird said:

I DO SUPPORT the team and the club in any way I can.

Going to the game and putting the players down doesn't count as supporting.

Wishing the team to lose doesn't count as supporting , does it??

 

Going to a game counts not sitting in Bavaria and posting inane drivel 

[HappyOwl]

Here we go again the best thing about the Papa Johns Trophy is the bloody match thread on here ffs grow up ye set of bickering fannies absolutely sick to death of Wednesday fans arguing and fuckin back stabbing.

We are going to win the fuckin league and all be hugging and kissing strangers on penistone road kids on shoulders car horns peeping 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌 

Embarrassing sometimes cobbing stuff on the pitch banning posters just because of an opinion all the same to me disgusting embarrassing and out of order.

Up the owls god save the king and rest in peace your majesty now can we all just get along and play nicely there’s enough going on in the world and peoples lives without this shit. Football is a release football is the get away now pack it in the lot of you 😡😡😡😡

[Reesh]

3 minutes ago, HappyOwl said:

Here we go again the best thing about the Papa Johns Trophy is the bloody match thread on here ffs grow up ye set of bickering fannies absolutely sick to death of Wednesday fans arguing and fuckin back stabbing.

We are going to win the fuckin league and all be hugging and kissing strangers on penistone road kids on shoulders car horns peeping 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌 

Embarrassing sometimes cobbing stuff on the pitch banning posters just because of an opinion all the same to me disgusting embarrassing and out of order.

Up the owls god save the king and rest in peace your majesty now can we all just get along and play nicely there’s enough going on in the world and peoples lives without this shit. Football is a release football is the get away now pack it in the lot of you 😡😡😡😡

No.

[HappyOwl]

1 minute ago, Reesh said:

No.

What a surprise 🙄😂

[Germanbird]

1 hour ago, HoylandOwl said:

 

The issue is there'll never be uniform support for clubs playing in the Papa John's, Checkatrade, Johnstone's Paint trophy or whoever it's sponsored by. For a host of reasons. 

I don't want us to be in it, it highlights where we are in the league ladder and it's a competition which is unneeded and unwanted across the board, also the inclusion of the under 21's in it was the final nail in the coffin for it for others. Believe me, when I had the pleasure of working in football and getting to the final, and seeing my employers win it, did I enjoy it? Absolutely, it will live with me till I'm no more, but that was purely personal, in that I had a moment on the pitch in front of 40,000 that I'd only thought would ever happen when I was in my slumber, dreaming away... But the perfect demonstration of how it's not needed/wanted, there were fans of the club who boycotted the tournament, meaning they didn't go any of the games including the final and it was the club's first EVER visit to Wembley in over 100 years. So that's the type of anti-feeling for it. 

As a Wednesday fan, do I want us to lose? No. But conversely, do I want us in the competition? No, and that's because it's a distraction to the task at hand, it's easy to see how that's the case too for the team/manager with the changes in the games being as many as possible (yes he tinkers in league games but not as wholesale). Watch the side we select tomorrow night, it'll be very different. 

It's going to always be a polarising competition, and it's something that won't change. 

I understand that some people do not want us to be in this competition. I don't question the motives of those people at all.

But there is a difference of wanting us out of that competition (maybe by a draw or a slight defeat) and somebody wishing us to lose 3:0

A 3:0 defeat would not only mean that we are out of the competition, but it would give the same people a reason for their "Moore out" calls  (I am not referring to a certain poster, but just in general)

A 3:0 defeat would also considerably harm the spirit in the team and might affect the league games as well

 

[Germanbird]

1 hour ago, Reesh said:

Going to a game counts not sitting in Bavaria and posting inane drivel 

There is nothing better than a game at Hillsborough and I go as often as I can.

And when I'm there I try to support the team and NEVER boo them

Edited September 19, 2022 by Germanbird

[HoylandOwl]

6 minutes ago, Germanbird said:

I understand that some people do not want us to be in this competition. I don't question the motives of those people at all.

But there is a difference of wanting us out of that competition (maybe by a draw or a slight defeat) and somebody wishing us to lose 3:0

A 3:0 defeat would not only mean that we are out of the competition, but it would give the same people a reason for their "Moore out" calls  (I am not referring to a certain poster, but just in general)

A 3:0 defeat would also considerably harm the spirit in the team and might affect the league games as well

 

The people who are wanting the manager out want him out no matter if we win or lose, and those who aren't as shall we say, veherment in their opinions, I don't think would see a loss in the pizza cup as a reason to push him out. While I didn't watch the Bradford game, I didn't see too much vitriol about that defeat. 

While I understand, and see your comment re team spirit, indeed it COULD affect that, however, I don't suspect it'll make too much of a difference. It didn't bother us last season...  OR the last time we were in this division and in the competition. 

[Reesh]

19 minutes ago, Germanbird said:

I understand that some people do not want us to be in this competition. I don't question the motives of those people at all.

But there is a difference of wanting us out of that competition (maybe by a draw or a slight defeat) and somebody wishing us to lose 3:0

A 3:0 defeat would not only mean that we are out of the competition, but it would give the same people a reason for their "Moore out" calls  (I am not referring to a certain poster, but just in general)

A 3:0 defeat would also considerably harm the spirit in the team and might affect the league games as well

 

A defeat whatever scoreline won't matter to team spirit as it will be a mix up of a team not the first XI.

I'd rather us be out and concentrate on the league than play in this PL funded shitshow of a competition. 

[Reesh]

20 minutes ago, Germanbird said:

There is nothing better than a game at Hillsborough and I go as often as I can.

And when I'm there I try to support the team and NEVER boo them

Well maybe if you had been going for 35 years mostly week in week out your tolerance would dip.

[Germanbird]

2 minutes ago, Reesh said:

Well maybe if you had been going for 35 years mostly week in week out your tolerance would dip.

I guess you might be right with that,

but as soon as I ever wish my team to be demoralised with a 3:0 defeat, I will stop watching football completely and I will never call myself a supporter again.

(a scrappy drop out of a competition you don't like - fine; but why would anybody want us to lose this badly??)
 

 

[HoylandOwl]

17 minutes ago, Germanbird said:

I guess you might be right with that,

but as soon as I ever wish my team to be demoralised with a 3:0 defeat, I will stop watching football completely and I will never call myself a supporter again.

(a scrappy drop out of a competition you don't like - fine; but why would anybody want us to lose this badly??)
 

 

I see your point too, I don't WANT us to lose. I never do, but it's one that I'll just shrug my shoulders and go 'meh' if we do. And IMO that'll be the likely reaction from most, because our focus is the league.. 

[Reesh]

Whenever we progressed in this competition we've not gone up, when we dipped out early we went up.

[Germanbird]

11 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

I see your point too, I don't WANT us to lose. I never do, but it's one that I'll just shrug my shoulders and go 'meh' if we do. And IMO that'll be the likely reaction from most, because our focus is the league.. 

I focus on the league as well. No doubt about that.

However, I do like the competition anyway.. especially at the early stages I see it as a great opportunity to give the fringe players some game time and also give us the opportunity to see them and a few youngsters.

At the later stages it loses this advantage and it becomes a problem due to our usually long list of injured players, but then the excitement of winning anything kicks in for me (at least, if we progress)

[KrolMong]

We have got a slowly building injury crisis, especially defensively. We can give a bit of game time to those not heavily involved, but if we lose any more defenders, we are in a mess.

These are games we can do without and the sooner we get out of this competition the better.

[Reesh]

2 minutes ago, Germanbird said:

I focus on the league as well. No doubt about that.

However, I do like the competition anyway.. especially at the early stages I see it as a great opportunity to give the fringe players some game time and also give us the opportunity to see them and a few youngsters.

At the later stages it loses this advantage and it becomes a problem due to our usually long list of injured players, but then the excitement of winning anything kicks in for me (at least, if we progress)

The competition is one step away from B teams being accepted into the EFL, how can you like that.

[HoylandOwl]

7 minutes ago, Germanbird said:

I focus on the league as well. No doubt about that.

However, I do like the competition anyway.. especially at the early stages I see it as a great opportunity to give the fringe players some game time and also give us the opportunity to see them and a few youngsters.

At the later stages it loses this advantage and it becomes a problem due to our usually long list of injured players, but then the excitement of winning anything kicks in for me (at least, if we progress)

The thing is, the Carabao/League Cup and to a slightly lesser degree, the FA Cup have gone that way. 

[Paul from Wisewood]

“Excitement of winning it” 🤣

No thanks

38 minutes ago, Germanbird said:

I focus on the league as well. No doubt about that.

However, I do like the competition anyway.. especially at the early stages I see it as a great opportunity to give the fringe players some game time and also give us the opportunity to see them and a few youngsters.

At the later stages it loses this advantage and it becomes a problem due to our usually long list of injured players, but then the excitement of winning anything kicks in for me (at least, if we progress)

 

[bricat]

I don't think this cup will reflect on DM at all. Hopefully he will use it to experiment with team formation and give game time to players who would benefit from it. Re Plum, I blocked him months ago. He tried to turn some posters against others in my opinion.

[Reesh]

On topic, Ben Heneghan set to return tomorrow which is good timing.

[HoylandOwl]

Absolutely what ^^^ said.

[Kiwi Owl]

15 hours ago, Germanbird said:

I'm always surprised how many people are against our own team. 

 

 

Right, first of all - its not against the team at all. I actually am not a Moore out person, even though sometimes I do question his tactics, style of play etc. Give me the likes of Darren Moore over Tony Pulis, Garry Monk, Jos Luhakay who made watching paint dry more entertaining than watching a Wednesday match

I want us to lose 3-0 to be eliminated from this pathetic competition. I wished all the clubs here did a boycott the season EPLs under 23 teams were invited to participate. I tolerated this competition before then, thinking its a good one for lower league sides to have a day out at Wembley (since the achievements of Bradford City are very rare). Since including the under 23s, nope - I don't want Wednesday to have anything to do with it. Also, I wish none of the 48 league one and two clubs have anything to do with it anymore. Scrap the competition, bin it, remove it at all costs. 

I'd prefer a version of the Anglo Italian cup to be back now, than this. 

[Germanbird]

My lineup:

Dawson

Agbontohoma  Iorfa  Pato

Hunt     Dele-Bashiru/Bakinson (45min each)      Vaulks     Glover       Johnson

Wilks    Mighten/Cook(45 min each)

 

How would you line up?

(we have to play, therefore we need a lineup!)

[HoylandOwl]

Interesting line up, especially with Pato as part of the back 3.

Overall though, I wouldn’t be so against that if it was the case.

 

[MAL]

My thoughts regarding this, er let's call it a fair competition.

Forcing teams to play a certain amount of "1st team" players is an absolute disgrace. 

I really hope that if a player (but hopefully not one of ours) gets a serous injury, they sue the fuck out of the idiots running the thing.

Most teams starting out in this will have a small squad, forcing them to be playing certain players gives them no chance of recovery from any little niggles they might have picked up, which then can escalate into a serious injury. 

As Reesh said earlier, this is all they are after.

The competition is one step away from B teams being accepted into the EFL, how can you like that.

 

[Reesh]

46 minutes ago, Germanbird said:

My lineup:

Dawson

Agbontohoma  Iorfa  Pato

Hunt     Dele-Bashiru/Bakinson (45min each)      Vaulks     Glover       Johnson

Wilks    Mighten/Cook(45 min each)

 

How would you line up?

(we have to play, therefore we need a lineup!)

Cook got taken off and hospitalised for the u21s last week!

[Tylluan]

If the allowing of overage players in PL2, and the PDL, kicks on as expected then u21 teams will disappear from the EFL Trophy within three seasons. The whole point of them entering was to give them a taste of 'adult' football but they now get that during a normal season. 

The worse (apocalyptic) case scenario is that PL2 turns into a B league, really takes off, and the TV money moves to cover Man City B Vs Liverpool B and leaves the EFL the poorer partner (like the majority of European 2nd division and below leagues)

B teams will never happen in the EFL. The current loan system and the football pyramid ensure that. But that doesn't mean that the Premier League can't mould its own PL2 and turn that into an enclosed B league. The current change in age restrictions now allows them to keep players they'd possibly have let go and which player is going to turn down an extension of his current £20k contract to play for Chelsea B in order to go to Charlton for £12k. 

[cheat]

2 hours ago, MAL said:

 

Forcing teams to play a certain amount of "1st team" players is an absolute disgrace. 

 

 

That’s not really the case anymore. You have to have four qualifying players, and the criteria is so varied that pretty much all of our squad qualify.