HoylandOwl Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 There was naturally a lot of talk around the ref last night in our game, Seb Stockbridge in the game v Pompey too... But has anyone seen Nigel Pearson's thoughts on referee's this season? Well..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Old Nutty Nige. Always an interesting listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Love him at Hillsborough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelters Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 I think he has a point to be honest. The problem is psychology for me. They all know the laws of the game and none of them are deliberately biased. But they do get swayed. Against Portsmouth the ref was actually a bit generous to us in the first half but nothing significant. Their fans start having a go and no doubt Cowley has a little word in his shell-like at the end of the half and suddenly it’s there. That little seed of doubt, there in the back of the subconscious. Then in the second half suddenly every decision goes their way, every little free kick that they try to buy is happily sold to them. Five bookings for us, one of which changed the course of the game, and none for them. Thankfully he then bottled a potential penalty, probably because he realised that would have been one decision too many. We see this so many times. The ref starts off OK then, as the players, coaching staff and crowd take umbrage at something, they turn to shit. You can sense the tide turning after the manager has a particularly strong go at them for example. Lo and behold all the decisions start going the other way. So you have to play the dark arts a bit. Have a couple of players in the ref’s ear chipping away and pointing out every mistake. Same with the coaches. Get particularly vocal about the major decisions. Plant that seed. Sadly I think Moore wants to be the good guy and not get involved in this stuff and we suffer because of it. As for the refs, I think they need to train them in this stuff. Or maybe swap the refs and linesmen at half time to try and reduce the unconscious bias. But it needs sorting because players and coaches are getting cuter at working out how to get their way and it’s damaging the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCraigsOwl Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Chelters said: I think he has a point to be honest. The problem is psychology for me. They all know the laws of the game and none of them are deliberately biased. But they do get swayed. Against Portsmouth the ref was actually a bit generous to us in the first half but nothing significant. Their fans start having a go and no doubt Cowley has a little word in his shell-like at the end of the half and suddenly it’s there. That little seed of doubt, there in the back of the subconscious. A strong ref would've said to Cowley, "I'm in charge and I'm a Wednesday fan, so shut yer trap ya ugly ****. In fact, fuck it, have a red card. Go on - fucking do one." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBO Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 The standard of refereeing is no better or worse than it has ever been - what has amplified things is the cry baby mentality of fans emboldened by social media who simply can't handle the fact a human might have made a mistake and it simply must be a conspiracy This pathetic entitlement that every single decision should be correct "there's too much money involved" has burdened us with the football vandalism that is VAR Chelsea fans started a petition to ensure the ref from Sunday never refs them again because in their opinion he made a couple of errors. I can only assume they have set up similar petitions to ensure 3 or 3 of their players never play for the club again after they also made mistakes in the same game 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Germanbird Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, JBO said: The standard of refereeing is no better or worse than it has ever been - what has amplified things is the cry baby mentality of fans emboldened by social media who simply can't handle the fact a human might have made a mistake and it simply must be a conspiracy This pathetic entitlement that every single decision should be correct "there's too much money involved" has burdened us with the football vandalism that is VAR Chelsea fans started a petition to ensure the ref from Sunday never refs them again because in their opinion he made a couple of errors. I can only assume they have set up similar petitions to ensure 3 or 3 of their players never play for the club again after they also made mistakes in the same game I don't mind errors - that's human. But I am struggling to accept that sometimes the refs are obviously biased or intimidated. I'm still annoyed about the ref, who disallowed Chey's goal .. not because he made that "error", but because he afterwards did not make up for that error but continued to work against us. Usually refs, who make errors, should try to make up for them in the course of the game. If they don't it shows IMO that it wasn't an error but something worse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 What if the ref doesn't think its an error? Why would he during a game. Even if he then did realise he'd made an error, it's not in his gift to make a compensating error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 59 minutes ago, JBO said: The standard of refereeing is no better or worse than it has ever been - what has amplified things is the cry baby mentality of fans emboldened by social media who simply can't handle the fact a human might have made a mistake and it simply must be a conspiracy This pathetic entitlement that every single decision should be correct "there's too much money involved" has burdened us with the football vandalism that is VAR Chelsea fans started a petition to ensure the ref from Sunday never refs them again because in their opinion he made a couple of errors. I can only assume they have set up similar petitions to ensure 3 or 3 of their players never play for the club again after they also made mistakes in the same game We have had some absolute bellends reffing us though to be fair mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Germanbird Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 At least for errors in the first half, he could and should check during halftime. Why shouldn't they compensate for errors by being a bit more generous with further decisions? I don't say they should make more "errors" to compensate, but there is always room for interpretation and they can easily try to make up for it. Many refs give all against us and nothing for us all game long. That's bias against our club / the size of our club / reaction on the fanbase - but that has nothing to do with human errors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBO Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 14 minutes ago, Reesh said: We have had some absolute bellends reffing us though to be fair mate. We have. So has everybody else. They are just humans trying to so a job, it's the conspiracy and biased bollocks I can't be doing with. The online abuse will eventually lead to a huge shortage of referees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 The problems became accentuated when fast tracking started, refereeing became seen as a professional career by those at a certain level, and officials became fully professional. In the past you had referees who could relate their day job to the way they ran the game. You had head teachers, foremen, men who dealt directly with a workforce. Refs who'd been NCOs during national service. They naturally commanded and demanded that authority. Last night's ref came straight out of uni into a fast track programme with Derbyshire FA. He's not known anything else. Seb Stockbridge (Portsmouth game) finds supply teachers for schools. He's a facilitator so will carry that into his game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 35 minutes ago, JBO said: We have. So has everybody else. They are just humans trying to so a job, it's the conspiracy and biased bollocks I can't be doing with. The online abuse will eventually lead to a huge shortage of referees We've been shit on since Di Canio pushed Alcock, nowt will convince me of any different. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 George Courtney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 58 minutes ago, Reesh said: We've been shit on since Di Canio pushed Alcock, nowt will convince me of any different. TBF Walkley, we did a pretty good job of shitting on ourselves since then too 🤬 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winco Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Reesh said: We have had some absolute bellends reffing us though to be fair mate. Tbf we’ve a reyt Bellend managing us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 10 hours ago, Chelters said: I think he has a point to be honest. The problem is psychology for me. They all know the laws of the game and none of them are deliberately biased. But they do get swayed. Against Portsmouth the ref was actually a bit generous to us in the first half but nothing significant. Their fans start having a go and no doubt Cowley has a little word in his shell-like at the end of the half and suddenly it’s there. That little seed of doubt, there in the back of the subconscious. Then in the second half suddenly every decision goes their way, every little free kick that they try to buy is happily sold to them. Five bookings for us, one of which changed the course of the game, and none for them. Thankfully he then bottled a potential penalty, probably because he realised that would have been one decision too many. We see this so many times. The ref starts off OK then, as the players, coaching staff and crowd take umbrage at something, they turn to shit. You can sense the tide turning after the manager has a particularly strong go at them for example. Lo and behold all the decisions start going the other way. So you have to play the dark arts a bit. Have a couple of players in the ref’s ear chipping away and pointing out every mistake. Same with the coaches. Get particularly vocal about the major decisions. Plant that seed. Sadly I think Moore wants to be the good guy and not get involved in this stuff and we suffer because of it. As for the refs, I think they need to train them in this stuff. Or maybe swap the refs and linesmen at half time to try and reduce the unconscious bias. But it needs sorting because players and coaches are getting cuter at working out how to get their way and it’s damaging the game. I rather think that Bannan and Paterson are in the ref's ear every game. Baz has quite a record in the Alan Harper Awards to maintain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted August 18, 2022 Author Share Posted August 18, 2022 10 hours ago, Owling_Wolf said: I rather think that Bannan and Paterson are in the ref's ear every game. Baz has quite a record in the Alan Harper Awards to maintain. They’re not the only ones though. Yet other team’s players seem to influence the decisions in their favour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 24 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said: They’re not the only ones though. Yet other team’s players seem to influence the decisions in their favour. Maybe they can understand them more than they can an angry Baz or a fuming Pato. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheffieldblue Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 A.R.A.B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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