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The smear campaign against Mordaunt was to keep her away from Sunek in the final two ballot. A true Conservative in name and in values. 

The Mail was well briefed although briefed inaccurately but these things tend to stick when the herd are following a particular sheep. 

 

The dog fight we see now will get very messy, very messy indeed and as JBO rightly says, we'll done the Parliamentary Party, you've opened the door to Starmer. It's his to lose and my only hope is that Labour seek to position themselves back to the far left as they see the open goal in front of them and fuck it up. Which they have a track record of doing. 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Skamp said:

The smear campaign against Mordaunt was to keep her away from Sunek in the final two ballot. A true Conservative in name and in values. 

The Mail was well briefed although briefed inaccurately but these things tend to stick when the herd are following a particular sheep. 

 

The dog fight we see now will get very messy, very messy indeed and as JBO rightly says, we'll done the Parliamentary Party, you've opened the door to Starmer. It's his to lose and my only hope is that Labour seek to position themselves back to the far left as they see the open goal in front of them and fuck it up. Which they have a track record of doing. 

 

 

 

 

Tonya Blair would have drafted in All the May bits like Ellwood and watereD Brexit down to nowt.

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Sunak is the only candidate in the Tory leadership race who seems to recognise economic reality.  
 

Truss promises large scale tax cuts and a review of the Bank of England’s mandate to control monetary policy at a time when inflation is 9.4% and public debt is 107% of gdp, and quite a few areas of public spending increases are either already locked in or urgently needed.  But she tells the Tory rank and file the kind of things they like hearing, so she’ll probably win.

Its a contest between competent but easily dislikeable on the one hand, and  hard working but clueless (though at least she can remember the details of treaties we’ve signed) on the other.  I have a feeling we’ll being seeing Keir Starmer in number 10 in a couple of years time either way.  However I am genuinely fearful of the mess he may inherit if Truss wins.

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Petition underway by the party members to get Boris' name added to the ballot paper. They didn't choose to remove him being the rationale. 

 

Sunak may just struggle to shake off his Judas move on Johnson and/ or his smug look. 

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On 21/07/2022 at 20:51, Neville Facking Bartos said:

What I was getting at is it was an opportunity for a fresh start. Not endorsing any but Tugenhadt, Badenoch and Mordaunt (to a lesser extent) would have ensured that. Sunak and Truss have both been integral parts of fuck up after fuck up, although you might call it experience.

 

Fresh starts need to be determined by the entire electorate, not the tiny minority of obsessive oddballs who can be bothered with joining political parties.

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Why would you describe members of a political party as 'obsessive oddballs"?

People with a Sheffield Wednesday membership, are they also 'obsessive oddballs'?

Members of a Trade Union? 

WI?

At least there'll be no block votes.  The biggest danger is that a large number spoil the ballot paper by writing 'Boris' on it and the backstabbing slime ball gets in as a consequence. 

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Just over 1% of the UK population are members of political parties, Labour approx 400k, Tories 160k, Lib Dems 100k, SNP 120k, Greens 50k.  
 

Point stands about “fresh start” being nonsense.  We have a parliamentary democracy, not a presidential one.  Tories are the ruling party because they won an election.  Their leader has resigned due to his personal integrity being shattered by being repeatedly, and publicly, proven a liar.  He’s not resigned over policy, and it shouldn’t really be used as an excuse for policy u-turns because UK cabinet government has long operated under the principle of collective responsibility.  Sunak and Truss were in senior government positions when all recent policy was made.   It’s much needed house cleaning, but nobody has any right to expect a fresh start, or present it as such.

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Debatable.  Liz Truss is promising to take some huge economic risks.  Nothing about changing the BoE’s job was mentioned in the Tory manifesto in the last election.  If she gets to do these things it will be because she won an election of Conservative party members, who make up 0.25% of the UK.  Maybe her own parliamentary party will show some backbone and won’t let her carry out these ideas.  In which case we will very quickly end up with a lame duck PM, and probably another leadership election…which 160k people will get to vote in.

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Sunak is a little shit, but what he offers is basically the same policies, the ones the electorate voted for, with a bit less dishonesty and general sociopathic twatishness than Boris.  He should win, but probably won’t.  Truss is promising major policy shifts which she has no democratic mandate for.  If she really wants to do these things she should call a general election if she wins the leadership.

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No democratic mandate for?

Isn't she saying she'll do the things that were variously promised I'm 2016&2019?

Anyway, show me any PM that has only, and completely, implemented every part of its GE mandate.

The slab of liver in a suit has just said he'll reneg on the 10 promises he made during his own post Corbyn leadership battle hasn't he?

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58 minutes ago, owl4ever1867 said:

Liz Trust is our new PM.....

Anybody else think "O fucking hell"

She'll be out after Christmas. There'll be another coup orchestrated by friends of Boris to bring him back in. We'll have more changes of power than an African Republic. 

In the meantime Starmer's backbone will still be on the missing list and Labour won't take advantage. Cue an attempted coup to put Rayner in before the next election 

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On 21/07/2022 at 20:34, owl71 said:

Sunak is the only candidate in the Tory leadership race who seems to recognise economic reality.  
 

Truss promises large scale tax cuts and a review of the Bank of England’s mandate to control monetary policy at a time when inflation is 9.4% and public debt is 107% of gdp, and quite a few areas of public spending increases are either already locked in or urgently needed.  But she tells the Tory rank and file the kind of things they like hearing, so she’ll probably win.

Its a contest between competent but easily dislikeable on the one hand, and  hard working but clueless (though at least she can remember the details of treaties we’ve signed) on the other.  I have a feeling we’ll being seeing Keir Starmer in number 10 in a couple of years time either way.  However I am genuinely fearful of the mess he may inherit if Truss wins.

Well I was clearly fucking right.

 

https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/new-truss-government-is-like-a-doomsday-cult-ubs-economist-says-11664201615

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Well with the highest inflation rate for decades, the highest level of public debt for decades, an energy policy that has been totally screwed by our foreign policy with no imminent solution in sight, and the economy’s growth capacity impacted by labour shortages, which possibly, just possibly, may be related to something like one person in eight being on an NHS waiting list…I’d say there is quite a lot wrong with tax cuts.  Many people appear to agree, including the former chancellor, the IMF, the former governor of BoE.  Targeting those tax cuts at the 1% of highest earners is just a fuck you all cherry on the top of cake of wacky bullshit economic ideas that originated in the States, and have been abandoned by both Democrats and Republicans.

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14 minutes ago, Neville Facking Bartos said:

Nothing wrong with tax cuts at all as long as it’s aimed at those that stimulate growth. The fuck are the top earners going to do with it though? They’ll sit on it or give it the banks in extra interest on their mortgage. Meanwhile the rest will be forced to sell and that inequality gap will widen

 

 

The top earners who pay the most tax ?

 

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58 minutes ago, Skamp said:

Wrong and strong. 

People who make a decision and then reverse that decision when they realise it was wrong show great character. 

People who've never had to make a major decision wouldn't understand that. 

Oh yes great character.  Truss and Kwarteng have had a Damascene conversion in the last 24 hours and realised the removal of the top rate was a bad idea.  🙄It has nothing to do with so many Tory MPs threatening to vote against it that the “mini-budget” probably wouldn’t have got through parliament.

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The u-turn is welcome but coming a day after Truss admitting it was a mistake to make major fiscal changes without an OBR assessment, it is difficult to avoid the impression that we have a government full of people who have been over promoted due to internal infighting, and are basically out of their depth.

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At least the Tory Party membership saved the country from Sunak’s mansplaining.  I mean the last thing you want in difficult times is a leader who is absolutely right but slightly patronising.  🤣 What a disaster that would’ve been.

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Truss once again showing great character by admitting she was wrong about a decision which she made about three weeks ago and was standing by yesterday.  🤣

This is why MPs should choose party leaders, not party members.  That goes for all parties.  MPs stand to lose their jobs if a leader gets elected who’s a bit too mad.  

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Really?  13.9 million people voted Tory in the last general election, when one of their manifesto commitments was a ban on fracking.  81k Tory members voted for Truss who promised to reverse this.  Then she decides voting with the government on this needs to be a three line whip?  The bitch is delusional and a little bit tapped.  The only question is does she break the record for the shortest serving UK PM who actually formed a government.  It’s odds on at the moment.

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