Otto_Man Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Hunt and Zahawi gone, must admit I didn't think they'd be the first two down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 True tories see both as traitors. Penny Mordaunt is the dark horse here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 As long as it's not Badenoch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neville Facking Bartos Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 31 minutes ago, Skamp said: True tories see both as traitors. Penny Mordaunt is the dark horse here. Not really she’s been one of the favourites from the off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Neville Facking Bartos said: Not really she’s been one of the favourites from the off Agreed. But not in the same way as Truss or Sunak. Let's see what tomorrow brings anyway. The heat will soon start being turned up with 'policies' being more closely examined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neville Facking Bartos Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 It will be her vs Sunak in my opinion, I thought she’d get it on the news of his resignation I’m sticking by it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBO Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 She'd definitely get it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve444 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 On 13/07/2022 at 23:06, Neville Facking Bartos said: It will be her vs Sunak in my opinion, I thought she’d get it on the news of his resignation I’m sticking by it Her vs Sunak or Truss vs Sunak is the most likely outcome according to polls. Her vs Truss, I wouldn't like to put money on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl71 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Penny Mordaunt? The Penny Mordaunt who, during the Brexit referendum campaign, repeatedly (and incorrectly) denied that the UK had a veto on new EU members during an interview with Andrew Marr? 🤣 Just the kind of intellectual heavyweight with a firm grasp of detail we need running the country at a dangerous time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Real hatchet job on her in today's Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 4 hours ago, Skamp said: Real hatchet job on her in today's Mail. They must be worried about having someone competent in charge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted July 21, 2022 Author Share Posted July 21, 2022 Sunak v Truss then…. Who’s going to win on the judges scorecards?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Missed a trick not having Penny Mordaunt in the final two. Still, I await the ballot paper with eager anticipation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neville Facking Bartos Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Truss ahead according to polling but Sunak should overcome that as Truss is too wishy washy on issues Both are establishment candidates. Fresh start was required and this doesn't deliver that, from the minute either of them are installed the calls for a GE will start to cut through Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Skamp said: Missed a trick not having Penny Mordaunt in the final two. Still, I await the ballot paper with eager anticipation. Tonya Blair - no thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 24 minutes ago, Neville Facking Bartos said: Truss ahead according to polling but Sunak should overcome that as Truss is too wishy washy on issues Both are establishment candidates. Fresh start was required and this doesn't deliver that, from the minute either of them are installed the calls for a GE will start to cut through Truss - Establishemnt. Went to a comprehensive school in Leeds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neville Facking Bartos Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Had senior positions under the last 3 PM's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 So experienced then, but certainly not establishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBO Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Tory MPs just ensured we get a Labour government after the next election Well fucking done 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 The smear campaign against Mordaunt was to keep her away from Sunek in the final two ballot. A true Conservative in name and in values. The Mail was well briefed although briefed inaccurately but these things tend to stick when the herd are following a particular sheep. The dog fight we see now will get very messy, very messy indeed and as JBO rightly says, we'll done the Parliamentary Party, you've opened the door to Starmer. It's his to lose and my only hope is that Labour seek to position themselves back to the far left as they see the open goal in front of them and fuck it up. Which they have a track record of doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Skamp said: The smear campaign against Mordaunt was to keep her away from Sunek in the final two ballot. A true Conservative in name and in values. The Mail was well briefed although briefed inaccurately but these things tend to stick when the herd are following a particular sheep. The dog fight we see now will get very messy, very messy indeed and as JBO rightly says, we'll done the Parliamentary Party, you've opened the door to Starmer. It's his to lose and my only hope is that Labour seek to position themselves back to the far left as they see the open goal in front of them and fuck it up. Which they have a track record of doing. Tonya Blair would have drafted in All the May bits like Ellwood and watereD Brexit down to nowt. Edited July 21, 2022 by Andyben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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owl71 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Sunak is the only candidate in the Tory leadership race who seems to recognise economic reality. Truss promises large scale tax cuts and a review of the Bank of England’s mandate to control monetary policy at a time when inflation is 9.4% and public debt is 107% of gdp, and quite a few areas of public spending increases are either already locked in or urgently needed. But she tells the Tory rank and file the kind of things they like hearing, so she’ll probably win. Its a contest between competent but easily dislikeable on the one hand, and hard working but clueless (though at least she can remember the details of treaties we’ve signed) on the other. I have a feeling we’ll being seeing Keir Starmer in number 10 in a couple of years time either way. However I am genuinely fearful of the mess he may inherit if Truss wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neville Facking Bartos Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Andyben said: So experienced then, but certainly not establishment. What I was getting at is it was an opportunity for a fresh start. Not endorsing any but Tugenhadt, Badenoch and Mordaunt (to a lesser extent) would have ensured that. Sunak and Truss have both been integral parts of fuck up after fuck up, although you might call it experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Braverman was my preference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Petition underway by the party members to get Boris' name added to the ballot paper. They didn't choose to remove him being the rationale. Sunak may just struggle to shake off his Judas move on Johnson and/ or his smug look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl71 Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 On 21/07/2022 at 20:51, Neville Facking Bartos said: What I was getting at is it was an opportunity for a fresh start. Not endorsing any but Tugenhadt, Badenoch and Mordaunt (to a lesser extent) would have ensured that. Sunak and Truss have both been integral parts of fuck up after fuck up, although you might call it experience. Fresh starts need to be determined by the entire electorate, not the tiny minority of obsessive oddballs who can be bothered with joining political parties. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 Why would you describe members of a political party as 'obsessive oddballs"? People with a Sheffield Wednesday membership, are they also 'obsessive oddballs'? Members of a Trade Union? WI? At least there'll be no block votes. The biggest danger is that a large number spoil the ballot paper by writing 'Boris' on it and the backstabbing slime ball gets in as a consequence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 ...how did Gordon Brown become PM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl71 Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 Just over 1% of the UK population are members of political parties, Labour approx 400k, Tories 160k, Lib Dems 100k, SNP 120k, Greens 50k. Point stands about “fresh start” being nonsense. We have a parliamentary democracy, not a presidential one. Tories are the ruling party because they won an election. Their leader has resigned due to his personal integrity being shattered by being repeatedly, and publicly, proven a liar. He’s not resigned over policy, and it shouldn’t really be used as an excuse for policy u-turns because UK cabinet government has long operated under the principle of collective responsibility. Sunak and Truss were in senior government positions when all recent policy was made. It’s much needed house cleaning, but nobody has any right to expect a fresh start, or present it as such. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neville Facking Bartos Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 It’s what they actually needed though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl71 Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 Debatable. Liz Truss is promising to take some huge economic risks. Nothing about changing the BoE’s job was mentioned in the Tory manifesto in the last election. If she gets to do these things it will be because she won an election of Conservative party members, who make up 0.25% of the UK. Maybe her own parliamentary party will show some backbone and won’t let her carry out these ideas. In which case we will very quickly end up with a lame duck PM, and probably another leadership election…which 160k people will get to vote in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve444 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 On 23/07/2022 at 11:40, Andyben said: ...how did Gordon Brown become PM? Tony gave him the nod. Whoever wins, the first priority is ensuring that Starmer and growler don't get anywhere near power. Work to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl4ever1867 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) All a bunch of back stabbing ***** who only look after their own agenda, none of them are fit to run the UK. Country is fucked - whomever is in charge. Edited July 25, 2022 by owl4ever1867 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve444 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 7 hours ago, owl4ever1867 said: All a bunch of back stabbing ***** who only look after their own agenda, none of them are fit to run the UK. Country is fucked - whomever is in charge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Liz Truss' voice dropped 2 octaves and she's elongating her vowels to sound more like Thatcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl71 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Sunak is a little shit, but what he offers is basically the same policies, the ones the electorate voted for, with a bit less dishonesty and general sociopathic twatishness than Boris. He should win, but probably won’t. Truss is promising major policy shifts which she has no democratic mandate for. If she really wants to do these things she should call a general election if she wins the leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 No democratic mandate for? Isn't she saying she'll do the things that were variously promised I'm 2016&2019? Anyway, show me any PM that has only, and completely, implemented every part of its GE mandate. The slab of liver in a suit has just said he'll reneg on the 10 promises he made during his own post Corbyn leadership battle hasn't he? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl4ever1867 Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 They'll promise folk the world until they get elected & then come up with all kinds of shit as to why they can't Glad Mordaunt didn't get in, everyone has got different views but the way she treated disabled folk was disgusting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCraigsOwl Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 I see Kate McCann fainted while hosting the latest debate last night. She must've received a message from her neglected daughter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl4ever1867 Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 Liz Trust is our new PM..... Anybody else think "O fucking hell" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 58 minutes ago, owl4ever1867 said: Liz Trust is our new PM..... Anybody else think "O fucking hell" She'll be out after Christmas. There'll be another coup orchestrated by friends of Boris to bring him back in. We'll have more changes of power than an African Republic. In the meantime Starmer's backbone will still be on the missing list and Labour won't take advantage. Cue an attempted coup to put Rayner in before the next election Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl71 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 On 21/07/2022 at 20:34, owl71 said: Sunak is the only candidate in the Tory leadership race who seems to recognise economic reality. Truss promises large scale tax cuts and a review of the Bank of England’s mandate to control monetary policy at a time when inflation is 9.4% and public debt is 107% of gdp, and quite a few areas of public spending increases are either already locked in or urgently needed. But she tells the Tory rank and file the kind of things they like hearing, so she’ll probably win. Its a contest between competent but easily dislikeable on the one hand, and hard working but clueless (though at least she can remember the details of treaties we’ve signed) on the other. I have a feeling we’ll being seeing Keir Starmer in number 10 in a couple of years time either way. However I am genuinely fearful of the mess he may inherit if Truss wins. Well I was clearly fucking right. https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/new-truss-government-is-like-a-doomsday-cult-ubs-economist-says-11664201615 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAL Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Anybody want to pick the bones out of this... Wowzers. https://t.co/KxoAIpmd3M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 What else could they do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Tax cuts don't cost "us" anything. Its the taxpayers money and the government are just stealing less. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neville Facking Bartos Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Nothing wrong with tax cuts at all as long as it’s aimed at those that stimulate growth. The fuck are the top earners going to do with it though? They’ll sit on it or give it the banks in extra interest on their mortgage. Meanwhile the rest will be forced to sell and that inequality gap will widen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 There's a remarkably low number of people earning over £150k in the UK The increase in people moving here from London due to tax differentials and home working needs to be reversed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl71 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Well with the highest inflation rate for decades, the highest level of public debt for decades, an energy policy that has been totally screwed by our foreign policy with no imminent solution in sight, and the economy’s growth capacity impacted by labour shortages, which possibly, just possibly, may be related to something like one person in eight being on an NHS waiting list…I’d say there is quite a lot wrong with tax cuts. Many people appear to agree, including the former chancellor, the IMF, the former governor of BoE. Targeting those tax cuts at the 1% of highest earners is just a fuck you all cherry on the top of cake of wacky bullshit economic ideas that originated in the States, and have been abandoned by both Democrats and Republicans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 14 minutes ago, Neville Facking Bartos said: Nothing wrong with tax cuts at all as long as it’s aimed at those that stimulate growth. The fuck are the top earners going to do with it though? They’ll sit on it or give it the banks in extra interest on their mortgage. Meanwhile the rest will be forced to sell and that inequality gap will widen The top earners who pay the most tax ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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