Boris to be ousted?

[Skamp]

Whilst I agree that a lot of Conservative voting people are now reconsidering if Johnson is the right person, why do labour voters, and Labour MPs, always think it's acceptable to call him, and other Conservatives, scum?

 

Lowest form of debate. 

 

 

Edited July 5, 2022 by Skamp

[Andyben]

Maybe, @Skampbecause it's only Tories that 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-61507560

 

err.... whoops

[Fat Eric]

58 minutes ago, Andyben said:

Maybe, @Skampbecause it's only Tories that 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-61507560

 

err.... whoops

Has the Labour leader been told about this, then given him another role, then lied about being told about it when he sexually assaults repeatedly at a later date, only to remember when it's stated by multiple sources that he was told?

[Andyben]

Ms A’s lawyers are also looking to claim against the Labour Party to whom she complained about the sexual harassment she was suffering, and who she believes did nothing to help or protect her. Co-conspirators may recall that the then Shadow Minister Kate Hollern had to quit Starmer’s front bench following testimony made to the employment tribunal that she tried to intimidate a witness as part of a cover-up.

 

 

Tory MP Andrew Bridgen accused Hollern of warning him not to get involved in the harassment case after the parliamentary staffer informed him of allegations of sexual impropriety. In her witness statement Ms A said:

“Andrew Bridgen called me to tell me that Kate Hollern had approached him in parliament and pulled him to one side. Mr Bridgen told me Ms Hollern tried to warn him off from helping me by using scare tactics. Ms Hollern said that many in the Labour Party were of the opinion that Mr Bridgen and I were having an affair and she advised him to keep away from me as it would be a shame if it got out in the papers as he had a lovely wife and new baby – Mr Bridgen told her she was talking nonsense and to go away.”

Hollern, still a serving MP, had to resign after Bridgen gave evidence for Ms A that Hollern tried to intimidate him to dissuade him from supporting Ms A.

Edited July 6, 2022 by Andyben

[Andyben]

Looks like what Labour did was worse - intimidating the victim and the MP who was to investigate the matter ...

 

then of course Labour lost the subsequent Hartlepool by-election

Edited July 6, 2022 by Andyben

[Skamp]

So he's sacked Goves who had earlier called for him to resign.

Days are very much numbered now I'm afraid. 

 

[Neville Facking Bartos]

Boris Johnson will resign as Conservative leader today - he will continue as Prime Minister until the autumn

 

Not quite as bad as Trump after all

[Andyben]

He should stand in the leadershiup battle, just for the LOLZ

[Gleadless Owl]

Thoughts on who you'd like to take over? Steve Baker would be decent imo 

[Andyben]

Frosty, but I'd love Boris to go for leadership again, be pure comedy if he won.

[Otto_Man]

Here's me thinking leave meant leave...

[Skamp]

26 minutes ago, Otto_Man said:

Here's me thinking leave meant leave...

 

Looks like he's leaving to me. 

[Neville Facking Bartos]

54 minutes ago, Andyben said:

Frosty, but I'd love Boris to go for leadership again, be pure comedy if he won.

To win the next GE yeah? 

[Skamp]

QT from Barnsley. 

 

Ey up. 

[Fowls]

32 minutes ago, Skamp said:

Looks like he's leaving to me. 

Apparently he can’t leave just yet, because he has a big wedding party planned at Chequers in a few weeks. 
 

If this was a plotline in The Thick of It we’d say they’d gone too far. 

[Andyben]

7 hours ago, Neville Facking Bartos said:

To win the next GE yeah? 

Well he won the last one. Tories had an 80 seat majority because of him.

 

[Neville Facking Bartos]

You was confident he'd win the next one too

Wrong on Boris

Wrong on Trump

and wrong on the fee for Famewo

 

[Andyben]

Wrong so far on Boris

Right on Trump

Fuck knows on Famewo

 

 

[Neville Facking Bartos]

Sure you said Trump would remain in office and he'd prove electoral fraud. Fucking idiot did try to remain but via a coup lol

[Andyben]

Members may insist that Boris is a candidate in the  leadership selection process. 

Would be hard to dislodge him if that's the  case.

Also MPs that put in no confidence letters because of Boris FPN are supporting Sunak who, err got an FPN.

Sunak was the Partygate Leak. He started after Boris committed to no winter lockdown. The photo of the gathering on the patio is from the Chancellors office on the first floor of #10/11.

Set up his "ready for rishi" leadership website in December and recorded his leadership video last week (someone didn't clean out the meta data...). He'll be like Heseltine, seemingly a shoo in for leader but fails.

[Andyben]

23 hours ago, Neville Facking Bartos said:

Sure you said Trump would remain in office and he'd prove electoral fraud. Fucking idiot did try to remain but via a coup lol

Seen what's happening in the Winsconcin courts? 

 

[Andyben]

...Surella Braverman saying all the  right things. 

Would be a sound candidate

[Skamp]

Sunak will be remembered as the Conservative Chancellor that has put tax to record levels. That's the problem he has to overcome.

Those who joined the frenzy to oust Johnson need to think very carefully about their constituents, especially those that only got elected because Boris said he'd get Brexit done after years of frustration of the country's decision.  Well, he got Brexit done so what will those voters do now?

[Andyben]

Exactly 

[Andyben]

...although it would be wonderful to see a female PM from an ethnic minority 

Edited July 9, 2022 by Andyben

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

No outstanding people to choose from, think Sunak may fail in his challenge.

The problem with UK politics is really you have to be a snake to get up the greasy pole whilst being a back stabber and all mouth no trousers. Is it a surprise that having to do that just to be an MP, you have to up your game on those traits to jump the next stages.

I used to go to a business lunch club run by Peter Lilley. I recall being sat next to a lass who was keen to become involved in said scene and frankly it sounded like ruddy hard work, going to the right meetings, try and talk to the right people, do the dull stuff. All in the knowledge you were one of a dozen trying to do the same to get noticed even at a local level.

To me its hardly a surprise that we get the politicians and politics we do

[Skamp]

6 minutes ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said:

No outstanding people to choose from, think Sunak may fail in his challenge.

The problem with UK politics is really you have to be a snake to get up the greasy pole whilst being a back stabber and all mouth no trousers. Is it a surprise that having to do that just to be an MP, you have to up your game on those traits to jump the next stages.

I used to go to a business lunch club run by Peter Lilley. I recall being sat next to a lass who was keen to become involved in said scene and frankly it sounded like ruddy hard work, going to the right meetings, try and talk to the right people, do the dull stuff. All in the knowledge you were one of a dozen trying to do the same to get noticed even at a local level.

To me its hardly a surprise that we get the politicians and politics we do

Some truth in that. When I stood as a local Councillor last elections, despite my thoughts on policy and what needed doing locally , I'd not attended the right fundraising events so i was given a 'not a chance ward' . Still don't go despite all the weekly emails i keep receiving, even for the national party. I'll stand as an independent first than be forced to go and listen to waffle whilst eating a curled up sandwich and expected to bid £100 for a signed serviette but obviously that's no good in Westminster 

Edited July 9, 2022 by Skamp

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

5 minutes ago, Skamp said:

Some truth in that. When I stood as a local Councillor last elections, despite my thoughts on policy and what needed doing locally , I'd not attended the right fundraising events so i was given a 'not a chance ward' . Still don't go despite all the weekly emails i keep receiving, even for the national party. I'll stand as an independent first than be forced to go and listen to waffle whilst eating a curled up sandwich and expected to bid £100 for a signed serviette but obviously that's no good in Westminster 

My extent was the business club, I did go to some quiz night spin off and that was like jeez. Lilley was able to get some fairly decent guests and the one thing you noticed was their stature. Some did wear it in a bad way, in the how important do I look way, others it was just that inner confidence.

What did for Boris was that in his entire life no one had slapped him down. He had that belief he was a step above all else but also that meant his "brilliance" the rules did not or should not apply 

[Andyben]

No one slapped  Boris down? 

Really?

 

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

24 minutes ago, Andyben said:

No one slapped  Boris down? 

Really?

 

I don't think he has until now, not really. Entitled Eton boy

[Andyben]

Don't be bitter.

He's been sacked at least twice, maybe he just doesn't care

[Andyben]

7 hours ago, Andyben said:

Members may insist that Boris is a candidate in the  leadership selection process. 

Would be hard to dislodge him if that's the  case.

Also MPs that put in no confidence letters because of Boris FPN are supporting Sunak who, err got an FPN.

Sunak was the Partygate Leak. He started after Boris committed to no winter lockdown. The photo of the gathering on the patio is from the Chancellors office on the first floor of #10/11.

Set up his "ready for rishi" leadership website in December and recorded his leadership video last week (someone didn't clean out the meta data...). He'll be like Heseltine, seemingly a shoo in for leader but fails.

....Monday apparently 

[Skamp]

Grant Shapps entry's the contest.

 

The hustings at Heathrow, Gatwick, Luton, Manchester, King's Cross, Liverpool Street,numerous tube stations and bus stops around the North will be interesting. 

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

21 hours ago, Andyben said:

Don't be bitter.

He's been sacked at least twice, maybe he just doesn't care

Not bitter, just think the country deserves better than public school educated entitled types. Not just in politics, but the civil service, media and the top echelons of business, the judiciary.

The types that are taught they have this right to rule but not follow the rules.

The fact he tried to bend the democratic rules, checks and balances this country has, just proves to me that there needs to be a formal written constitution, not this one based on historical norms and traditions.

The democracy of this country is far more important than the ambitions of one person. Thankfully Boris was not that clever, but can you imagine a competent person, left wing or right wing attempting the same and us sleep walking to a form of dictatorship.

 

[Skamp]

16 minutes ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said:

The democracy of this country is far more important than the ambitions of one person. Thankfully Boris was not that clever, but can you imagine a competent person, left wing or right wing attempting the same and us sleep walking to a form of dictatorship.

That's why we have 650 MPs and  independent armed forces that swears loyalty to the monarch. 

All Republicans need to think on that for a bit. 

As do Blairites. 

 

[Skamp]

Liz Truss - MT2?  She'd like to think so and so would a lot of grass root Tories. 

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

2 hours ago, Skamp said:

That's why we have 650 MPs and  independent armed forces that swears loyalty to the monarch. 

All Republicans need to think on that for a bit. 

As do Blairites. 

 

There should be no swearing loyalty to the monarchy. Arcane process, as is the swearing on a bible etc etc.

I would happily describe myself as a Republican, the Royal Family are simply part of the process that keeps the population nodding and smiling as they pat us on the head

[Tylluan]

The armed forces oath of allegiance is a buffer zone. It means the government of the day doesn't technically 'run' the forces (although it determines the budget) and it gives the generals a "don't work for you" stance if some crackpot PM ever orders boots on the street without an extremely good reason. 

[Tylluan]

On 09/07/2022 at 08:18, Andyben said:

...Surella Braverman saying all the  right things. 

Would be a sound candidate

That's a grenade lob isn't it? A line dangle?

She's Boris on speed. She was ready to rip up international law to justify Boris's mad ideas over the NI/EU treaty. The one he signed. She still refers back to the British Empire. She's been accused of misusing her Attorney General powers when court rulings haven't gone the way she wanted. As Attorney General she refused to uphold the law by publicly defending Cummings trip to Barnard Castle. She wants to 'wage a war on woke', her words, by moving to get rid of they/them (and others) as pronouns. Sunak wants to go the same way ("mother's should be called mother's") on 'woke'. 

She's also a massive conspiracy theorist when it comes to Brexit. Blaming remainers for every failure and also saying certain civil servants couldn't cope with "a life without the EU" and were constantly disrupting plans. 

Edited July 10, 2022 by Tylluan

[JBO]

Sounds exactly what we need tbh

[Andyben]

3 hours ago, Tylluan said:

That's a grenade lob isn't it? A line dangle?

She's Boris on speed. She was ready to rip up international law to justify Boris's mad ideas over the NI/EU treaty. The one he signed. She still refers back to the British Empire. She's been accused of misusing her Attorney General powers when court rulings haven't gone the way she wanted. As Attorney General she refused to uphold the law by publicly defending Cummings trip to Barnard Castle. She wants to 'wage a war on woke', her words, by moving to get rid of they/them (and others) as pronouns. Sunak wants to go the same way ("mother's should be called mother's") on 'woke'. 

She's also a massive conspiracy theorist when it comes to Brexit. Blaming remainers for every failure and also saying certain civil servants couldn't cope with "a life without the EU" and were constantly disrupting plans. 

Perfect 

[Otto_Man]

On 09/07/2022 at 08:48, mkowlthesexynewversion said:

No outstanding people to choose from, think Sunak may fail in his challenge.

The problem with UK politics is really you have to be a snake to get up the greasy pole whilst being a back stabber and all mouth no trousers. Is it a surprise that having to do that just to be an MP, you have to up your game on those traits to jump the next stages.

I used to go to a business lunch club run by Peter Lilley. I recall being sat next to a lass who was keen to become involved in said scene and frankly it sounded like ruddy hard work, going to the right meetings, try and talk to the right people, do the dull stuff. All in the knowledge you were one of a dozen trying to do the same to get noticed even at a local level.

To me its hardly a surprise that we get the politicians and politics we do

I think he's fucked (Sunak) his campaign slogan is let's rebuild the economy...dunno how to break this to you mate, but you've been chancellor for the last 3 years. If the economy is fucked it's kinda your fault 

[Neville Facking Bartos]

Is everyone forgetting he was also fined but breaking Covid rules? 
 

 

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

1 hour ago, Otto_Man said:

I think he's fucked (Sunak) his campaign slogan is let's rebuild the economy...dunno how to break this to you mate, but you've been chancellor for the last 3 years. If the economy is fucked it's kinda your fault 

Tbh I trust him more to re-build the economy more than the GCSE standard level economics the rest of the others are spouting. 

The situation with Boris was reaching its natural conclusion, but the big re-start was this joint speech planned between Boris and Sunak that clearly they were not singing from the same church never mind hymnsheet.

The countries financial position is difficult, much of it post pandemic, Russian invasion is somewhat outside the control of the Chancellor, the outcome of Brexit clearly was.

But the promise of tax cuts whilst appealing is less so if it was accompanied by a 20% cut in public services.

Of course Sunak can't escape these last 3 years but he is best positioned and I think understands the harsh realities coming. There is no magic wand 

[Otto_Man]

Apparently the king maker that is Rhys-Mogg doesn't seem to share your enthusiasm. Supposedly despises Sunak and allegedly refers to him as a fucking communist to anyone who will listen (which is large swathes of the rank and file membership).

Can't see an outcome where this ends anything other than terribly 

Edited July 11, 2022 by Otto_Man

[Neville Facking Bartos]

Sunak’a polling is 3rd to I don’t know and none of the above amongst the general public  ut 3rd or 4th to real people amongst the membership 

Lets be honest, none of them are capable of delivering what is needed

Edited July 11, 2022 by Neville Facking Bartos

[Skamp]

3 hours ago, Neville Facking Bartos said:

Is everyone forgetting he was also fined but breaking Covid rules? 
 

 

No one gives a shit. Honestly they don't. Only labour supporters and that fat Jock in the commons. 

 

Boris copped the lot based on more misjudgement that having a party. 

[Skamp]

2 hours ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said:

Tbh I trust him more to re-build the economy more than the GCSE standard level economics the rest of the others are spouting. 

The situation with Boris was reaching its natural conclusion, but the big re-start was this joint speech planned between Boris and Sunak that clearly they were not singing from the same church never mind hymnsheet.

The countries financial position is difficult, much of it post pandemic, Russian invasion is somewhat outside the control of the Chancellor, the outcome of Brexit clearly was.

But the promise of tax cuts whilst appealing is less so if it was accompanied by a 20% cut in public services.

Of course Sunak can't escape these last 3 years but he is best positioned and I think understands the harsh realities coming. There is no magic wand 

He can still help rebuild the Country's (see) economy by being the Chancellor. Defeated candidates shouldn't necessarily be backbenchers unless they're called Jeremy Hunt. 

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

10 hours ago, Skamp said:

No one gives a shit. Honestly they don't. Only labour supporters and that fat Jock in the commons. 

 

Boris copped the lot based on more misjudgement that having a party. 

I will beg to differ on that.

I have my personal reasons for that, but as much I hate hypocrisy. And I think more than you think are annoyed about that than the Daily Mail would have you think.

That itself was a resigning matter, the 403 other reasons on top of course.

I made the right call on him in 2019, bit like Carlos I was proved right 

[Steve444]

There are some rumours doing the rounds that Sunak's entourage are trying to get Jeremy Hunt and Rishi as the final two candidates. This would suit Sunak knowing that the Tory membership wouldn't touch Hunt with a barge pole (had to read that several times for errors)

Penny Mordaunt for me, she is a centrist with a touch of Rule Britannia and a firm Brexiteer. If not her, I'm struggling. You need someone you can trust, and someone who is true to their word. Steve Bruce as the reserve candidate then.