Hirstys 12th Pint Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 You are in charge of the rebuild - what happens with the current squad ? Contracted: Bannan Windass Iorfa Byers Gregory FDB Adeniran Dawson Brown Alex Hunt Out of Contract: Luongo Berahino Paterson Jack Hunt Palmer Dunkley Hutchinson Wildsmith Sow (?) NML (?) Johnson (?) Expired Loans: BPF Dean Gibson Shodipo Kamberi Storey John Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted May 10, 2022 Author Share Posted May 10, 2022 Contracted: Bannan - keep if willing to stay Windass - sell Iorfa - build fitness and keep Byers - keep Gregory - keep FDB - play more Adeniran - hopefully fit Dawson - first choice keeper ? Brown - sell Alex Hunt - if not playing sell or release Out of Contract: Luongo - offer 1 year but think will depart Berahino - release Paterson - offer 1 year Jack Hunt - another year. Also think has option in contract Palmer - offer 2 year Dunkley - release Hutchinson - torn as love Hutch - Player Coach ? Wildsmith - release Sow (?) - release NML (?) - offer 1 year Johnson (?) - offer 1 year Expired Loans: BPF - will be playing Championship Dean - try to sign Gibson - try to sign depending on fitness Shodipo - back to QPR Kamberi - back to Switzerland ? Storey - can't see Preston selling John Jules - ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl4ever1867 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) I could've sworn Palmer signed a new 2 year deal during the season, might be wrong though. Edit : Palmer signed a new contract to the Summer of 2023. Edited May 10, 2022 by owl4ever1867 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl4ever1867 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 53 minutes ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said: Contracted: Bannan - keep if willing to stay Windass - sell Iorfa - build fitness and keep Byers - keep Gregory - keep FDB - play more Adeniran - hopefully fit Dawson - first choice keeper ? Brown - sell Alex Hunt - if not playing sell or release Out of Contract: Luongo - offer 1 year but think will depart Berahino - release Paterson - offer 1 year Jack Hunt - another year. Also think has option in contract Palmer - offer 2 year Dunkley - release Hutchinson - torn as love Hutch - Player Coach ? Wildsmith - release Sow (?) - release NML (?) - offer 1 year Johnson (?) - offer 1 year Expired Loans: BPF - will be playing Championship Dean - try to sign Gibson - try to sign depending on fitness Shodipo - back to QPR Kamberi - back to Switzerland ? Storey - can't see Preston selling John Jules - ??? Personally wouldn't try to sign Gibson, far too injury prone, especially considering hes still only 21. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said: You are in charge of the rebuild - what happens with the current squad ? Contracted: Bannan SELL Windass SELL Iorfa SELL Byers - RENEW Gregory - KEEP FDB - RENEW Adeniran - RENEW Dawson - SELL Brown - RELEASE Alex Hunt - RENEW Out of Contract: Luongo - RENEW Berahino - RENEW Paterson - RENEW Jack Hunt - RENEW Palmer - RELEASE Dunkley - RENEW Hutchinson - RENEW Wildsmith - RENEW Sow (?) - RELEASE NML (?) - RENEW Johnson (?) - RENEW Expired Loans: BPF - BYE Dean - SIGN - CAPTAIN Gibson - OFFER 12mth Shodipo - BYE BYE Kamberi - Bye Bye Storey - SIGN John Jules - WHOO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, Andyben said: I was thinking the same about Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wawaw Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said: You are in charge of the rebuild - what happens with the current squad ? Contracted: Bannan keep Windass sell Iorfa sell Byers keep Gregory keep ( build a team around his and Bannans strengths ) FDB keep Adeniran keep Dawson sell Brown sell Alex Hunt sell Out of Contract: Loungo offer 1-2 years deal Berahino offer 1 year Paterson release Jack Hunt offer 1-2 Y D Palmer Dunkley release Hutchinson offer 1-2 YD Wildsmith release Sow (?) release NML (?) offer 1 yd Johnson (?) offer 1-2 yd Expired Loans: BPF try and get back he’s been decent overall Dean offer 1-2 YD Gibson try another loan Shodipo no thanks Kamberi no Fooking thanks Storey offer 2-3 YD John Jules maybe? try another loan spell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 It is still going to be a large turnover of players - but then I think a lot of clubs will be doing similar We pulled a few surprises last year, but a lot never did contribute and won't be missed So you work on the basis of 2 players for each outfield position and importantly how we intend to play and set up I can't see the 3-5-2 changing - hence the wing backs are crucial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul from Wisewood Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said: You are in charge of the rebuild - what happens with the current squad ? Contracted: Bannan - keep Windass - sell Iorfa - sell Byers - keep Gregory - keep FDB - keep Adeniran - keep Dawson - sell Brown - free Alex Hunt - sell Out of Contract: Luongo - release Berahino - release Paterson - release Jack Hunt - offer one year Palmer - release Dunkley - release Hutchinson - offer one year Wildsmith - release Sow (?) - release NML (?) - release Johnson (?) - offer one year Expired Loans: BPF Dean - try to sign Gibson Shodipo Kamberi Storey - try to loan/sign John Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 This is really tricky. Do we build round Bannan again? But what happens if he gets injured? Do we put younger, more athletic, legs in the middle and try and boss the game that way? Windass on a year left with his recent injury record and we'd be lucky to get £600k for him. So I'd keep him. If he has an injury free season then he could be one of the missing cogs. If a Championship club came in and offered £1m for Bannan then I'd be clearing his locker out for him but I'm not selling to a League 1 rival. If he stays then I'd want to stick a years extension on, just for future resale value. I'd offer deals to Hutch and Hunt and Johnson if his deal doesn't carry him through but I'd wave goodbye to Paterson and the others out of contract. I think we're stuck with Brown, unless we release him, as no one would want to buy him. There'll be a lot of lads around 24 being released because they can't play 23s football anymore and they don't make their current club's first team squad. Some of these will have first team experience in and around where we are now and they're the ones we need to be targeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, Tylluan said: This is really tricky. Do we build round Bannan again? But what happens if he gets injured? Do we put younger, more athletic, legs in the middle and try and boss the game that way? Windass on a year left with his recent injury record and we'd be lucky to get £600k for him. So I'd keep him. If he has an injury free season then he could be one of the missing cogs. If a Championship club came in and offered £1m for Bannan then I'd be clearing his locker out for him but I'm not selling to a League 1 rival. If he stays then I'd want to stick a years extension on, just for future resale value. I'd offer deals to Hutch and Hunt and Johnson if his deal doesn't carry him through but I'd wave goodbye to Paterson and the others out of contract. I think we're stuck with Brown, unless we release him, as no one would want to buy him. There'll be a lot of lads around 24 being released because they can't play 23s football anymore and they don't make their current club's first team squad. Some of these will have first team experience in and around where we are now and they're the ones we need to be targeting. Interesting points of view Ty, I agree with you with Bannan. I said to the lad last night that, I’d like him to stay, but if we get a 7 figure sum we maybe have to let him go. The recruitment shackles aren’t as tight this coming summer, so hopefully we won’t be taking pot luck on players like Brown, and Andre Green before him. It’s still not going to be easy, but we’re stepping up to shopping at Tesco rather than Lidl’s middle aisle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) A mate suggested Hutchinson waved as he left the field last night and that might be a goodbye, no idea if it was and didn't see it myself. Decisions need to be made swiftly and concisely, if Dawson isn't to be first choice next season then he needs to be sold and a replacement identified and recruited. I pray Burnley get relegated, Pope leaves and they have no choice but to rely on that fuck up they lumbered us with. Big summer coming up, interesting to see what happens... Edited May 10, 2022 by Otto_Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Watching on TV they showed Hutch leaving the pitch, Otto. He was too dazed (concussed) to know what was going on, he looked punch drunk (the poor fella). I certainly didnt see him wave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neville Facking Bartos Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, Otto_Man said: A mate suggested Hutchinson waved as he left the field last night and that might be a goodbye, no idea if it was and didn't see it myself. Decisions need to be made swiftly and concisely, if Dawson isn't to be first choice next season then he needs to be sold and a replacement identified and recruited. I pray Burnley get relegated, Pope leaves and they have no choice but to rely on that fuck up they lumbered us with. Big summer coming up, interesting to see what happens... When he went off or at the end of the game? When he went off it was a thumbs up to reassure his family he was OK. Having said that it wouldn't have convinced me, poor bloke could hardly walk, must have been out for a few seconds. On our players... Bannan - Be comfortable with either outcome Windass - Keep Iorfa - Move on, struggles in a 3 and it's a long road back after this seasons injuries Byers - Keep Gregory - Keep FDB - Keep Adeniran - Keep Dawson - Keep, supporters need to back him Brown - Move on if possible Alex Hunt - Loan to a L2 with ambition Out of Contract: Luongo - Release Berahino - Release Paterson - Offer 1 year on reduced terms Jack Hunt - Offer 1 year Palmer - Offer 1 year Dunkley - Offer 1 year, originally thought we should release but in reflection I'd keep Hutchinson - Another year Wildsmith - Release Sow (?) - Release NML (?) - Release, not been impressed at all by him, not suited to 352 Johnson (?) - Offer another year Expired Loans: BPF - Thanks and bye Dean - Must be our number 1 target Gibson - Good luck and goodbye Shodipo - Off you pop Kamberi - Thank fuck for that Storey - Would happily have him back John Jules - Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Release Luongo. Best Midfielder at the club. FFS who gave him the new website details Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrySpeakup Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Kamberi this seasons Brown, Harris and Katchunga rolled into one Taxi to Switzerland/Albania Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, Andyben said: Release Luongo. Best Midfielder at the club. FFS who gave him the new website details Would we get 30+ games out of him though? It's like someone else said, he's looking like he's 35 when he's playing and I can see him leaving to play in a retirement home league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tylluan said: Would we get 30+ games out of him though? It's like someone else said, he's looking like he's 35 when he's playing and I can see him leaving to play in a retirement home league. Agree with this 2 some extent. For a lot of games our midfield 3 has been more than good enough. All 3 at same time against aggressive, mobile, physical sides, it absolutely does not. 1 or 2 of those shouldn't play in those games. I'd be happy for all 3 to stay but if they don't it won't upset me. You know your players Ty, I saw a lad 4 Sutton Utd at weekend, Alistair (?) Smith, midfield, big physical lad but got about the pitch, first time seen him, quite impressed. I know it's only Sutton but....... Having only seen him once, he obviously may not be any better than FDB etc but he's the type we need in some games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrolMong Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 If someone came in and offered a million for Iorfa, I’d take it. If someone offered half a million for Windass, I’d take it. If someone offered a million for Bannan. I’d take it. I think Bannan needs a crack at the prem in a better team than us, and he needs to take any team that can offer that. Iorfa is effectively rebuilding his career again after 2 years out. I’d keep: Anyone in contract, we keep, with the exception of Brown, who I would release. Of those out of contract, I’d keep Palmer, Johnson, Hunt, Hutch, NML and Luongo. I’d try and get Dean and Storey in permanent. I’d not touch Gibson with a barge pole, he’s a crock of the highest order - despite the fact that I think he’s a really good player. And then every signing we make has to be good enough to get us up, and be good in the division above, is under the age of 26, and hasn’t been injured. When you look at this seasons recruitment, more have spent time on the treatment table than they have on the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Tylluan said: Would we get 30+ games out of him though? It's like someone else said, he's looking like he's 35 when he's playing and I can see him leaving to play in a retirement home league. He played 30 matches this season Ty. Was like the old Mass these last two games, breaking forward and taking the game to Sunderland. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 2 hours ago, HarrySpeakup said: Kamberi this seasons Brown, Harris and Katchunga rolled into one Taxi to Switzerland/Albania That’s a little harsh in the sense Kamberi at least tried. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Mark said: You know your players Ty, I saw a lad 4 Sutton Utd at weekend, Alistair (?) Smith, midfield, big physical lad but got about the pitch, first time seen him, quite impressed. I know it's only Sutton but....... Having only seen him once, he obviously may not be any better than FDB etc but he's the type we need in some games Funnily enough, just before Clough was announced as Mansfield manager I was asked to do an analytical breakdown on each of Mansfield's squad. I said Smith was raw and could probably benefit from a loan spell so he went to Altrincham. As the loan was coming to an end I was asked to do another breakdown. I knew Altrincham wanted him so said in my report that if he wasn't in Clough's plans then they'd be better seeing what they could get for him, so Altrincham paid £150k. Altrincham made £50k on the sale to Sutton and they also have a sell on clause. I've just looked at him for this season and he's got an impressive engine. His clean tackle ratio is good and 8 goals are a good contribution. His heat map shows he might still be a little raw (wanting to be everywhere) but he's only 22. I think FDB and Adeniran are both better but Smith won't be at Sutton for long if he keeps progressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Sounds like Lowe has plans for Storey and he will be back in their squad. Dean I would offer a contract to, got a calm way of playing. Hutch will be interesting, though I think the state he was in walking off the pitch he might have signed for 10 bob a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 25 minutes ago, Tylluan said: Funnily enough, just before Clough was announced as Mansfield manager I was asked to do an analytical breakdown on each of Mansfield's squad. I said Smith was raw and could probably benefit from a loan spell so he went to Altrincham. As the loan was coming to an end I was asked to do another breakdown. I knew Altrincham wanted him so said in my report that if he wasn't in Clough's plans then they'd be better seeing what they could get for him, so Altrincham paid £150k. Altrincham made £50k on the sale to Sutton and they also have a sell on clause. I've just looked at him for this season and he's got an impressive engine. His clean tackle ratio is good and 8 goals are a good contribution. His heat map shows he might still be a little raw (wanting to be everywhere) but he's only 22. I think FDB and Adeniran are both better but Smith won't be at Sutton for long if he keeps progressing. Interesting. Thanks 4 that. Yes he is raw, and as you say FDB and Andeniran are at the moment better, but I suspect in the right hands this lad could improve and may be an investment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank_Owl2,0 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Strikes me we are all broadly saying the same with a few assumptions about offers from Championship clubs which you have to assume will come. Id be surprised if we didn't get some silly offers (low ones) and maybe some realistic ones. Thing is selling any of them isn't going to plug the hole in the finances. However, unless any of the outgoing are prepared to take lower wages, e.g. Luongo, I think most of those signed in the Championship will leave - like we saw last summer. Id love to see Dean come here but a, I suspect other Championship teams will be interested and b, on balance I'd prefer to find a L1/ L2 or Prem cast off for Lowe wages that is younger and wanting to develop, e.g. like when we got the likes of Whelan, Brunt etc. Assuming players are going to stay fit but FDB, Byers and Adreniran have the legs and some guile for the majority of games if complimented with intelligent Stikers and wing backs. I'd like BB to stay if he's committed to the cause, to the extent he has been this season. To be fair to him his fitness levels have been very good this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamOwl Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 There’s been rumblings that Bowyer might be on his way from Birmingham, so wonder if Dean might be back in the frame there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Takeover imminent at Brum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheat Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Contracted: Bannan - keep Windass - keep Iorfa - sell Byers - keep Gregory - keep FDB - keep Adeniran - keep Dawson - really don’t know. Brown - get rid Alex Hunt - with regret, leave Palmer - keep Out of Contract: Luongo - keep, but I think he’ll think he can play at Championship level and will reject our offer Berahino - release Paterson - release, I think. I like him, but … Jack Hunt - keeP Dunkley - release Hutchinson - keep on a one year deal. Wildsmith - release, I think. Sow (?) - release NML (?) - release Johnson (?) - keep Expired Loans: BPF - wouldn’t try to get him back. I think we have to try and sort ourselves our own keeper. If we can’t then I think there are better loan options out there. Dean - try to sign Gibson - too injury prone, only try to get him if the deal worked for us, a pay as you play type thing if that’s possible somehow on loan deals Shodipo - bye Kamberi - bye Storey - would imagine there’s no chance. He’s definitely a Championship player imo. If Preston don’t want him then I think someone else at that level will. John Jules - no thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 5 hours ago, HarrySpeakup said: Kamberi this seasons Brown, Harris and Katchunga rolled into one Taxi to Switzerland/Albania Scored against Sunderland. Just saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingys Ginger Mullet Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Out of Contract: Luongo - will be off Berahino - 12 month deal Paterson - new deal, valuable as a Utility Player and Plan B Jack Hunt - new deal Palmer - nice bloke but has cost us numerous goals this season, release Dunkley - release Hutchinson - new deal Wildsmith - release Sow (?) - release NML (?) - new deal Johnson (?) - release Expired Loans: BPF - try and buy Dean - sign Gibson - release Shodipo - release Kamberi - 12 month deal as a squad player Storey - another loan or try and buy if he can't break into Preston's team John Jules - release Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Kingy, you'd keep Paterson because of his versatility but you'd release Johnson, who grew into his defensive role and, since Christmas, has provided the most assists and 2nd assists and been one of our biggest attacking threats while playing in his more natural role? Just on Paterson. He's become almost that Sunday league sub. The one who turns up one morning carrying his boots and says he plays anywhere then regularly does. He can't play centre back in a back 3. He can't really play wing back anymore and we'll bring at least two of those in to replace Shodipo and Corbeanu. We'll hopefully bring at least two forwards in so he doesn't fit as a forwards sub. If Luongo goes then he'll be replaced and we already have FDB and Adeniran on the books, plus Hunt if we don't release him or send him out again. I'm struggling to find a place for him, to be honest. But if Johnson isn't tied to the club for another year then he'll have no shortage of offers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Luongo - Think he’s off but I’d keep. Berahino - trigger his 12 month deal Paterson - let him leave, thanks for the effort though. Jack Hunt - new deal Palmer - decent squad player, and still under contract till next summer I think. Dunkley - release Hutchinson - Definitely keep Wildsmith - release Sow - release NML - let him go. Too hot and cold, not enough composure in crucial situations Johnson - Keep. Expired Loans: BPF - He won’t be coming back anyway. Gavin Bazunu apparently said to be leaving Man City, get him in. Dean - sign Gibson - release Shodipo - release Kamberi - thanks, but no thanks. Storey - try to get back in one way or another John Jules - Made of wet cardboard, stay away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul from Wisewood Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Tylluan said: Kingy, you'd keep Paterson because of his versatility but you'd release Johnson, who grew into his defensive role and, since Christmas, has provided the most assists and 2nd assists and been one of our biggest attacking threats while playing in his more natural role? Just on Paterson. He's become almost that Sunday league sub. The one who turns up one morning carrying his boots and says he plays anywhere then regularly does. He can't play centre back in a back 3. He can't really play wing back anymore and we'll bring at least two of those in to replace Shodipo and Corbeanu. We'll hopefully bring at least two forwards in so he doesn't fit as a forwards sub. If Luongo goes then he'll be replaced and we already have FDB and Adeniran on the books, plus Hunt if we don't release him or send him out again. I'm struggling to find a place for him, to be honest. But if Johnson isn't tied to the club for another year then he'll have no shortage of offers. Yep said same about Paterson… he’ll play anywhere… badly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPB Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 11 hours ago, Otto_Man said: Scored against Sunderland. Just saying He had a good game as well, ran his blood to water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingys Ginger Mullet Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Tylluan said: Kingy, you'd keep Paterson because of his versatility but you'd release Johnson, who grew into his defensive role and, since Christmas, has provided the most assists and 2nd assists and been one of our biggest attacking threats while playing in his more natural role? Just on Paterson. He's become almost that Sunday league sub. The one who turns up one morning carrying his boots and says he plays anywhere then regularly does. He can't play centre back in a back 3. He can't really play wing back anymore and we'll bring at least two of those in to replace Shodipo and Corbeanu. We'll hopefully bring at least two forwards in so he doesn't fit as a forwards sub. If Luongo goes then he'll be replaced and we already have FDB and Adeniran on the books, plus Hunt if we don't release him or send him out again. I'm struggling to find a place for him, to be honest. But if Johnson isn't tied to the club for another year then he'll have no shortage of offers. Sorry, that was a typo on Johnson, would definitely keep him! Probably our second best player this season. I just think Paterson is a useful player, probably his best position as a target man of sorts either knocking defenders about late on or nicking a vital goal when required, which he's done a few times previously. He's also great for the dressing room and apparently the most popular bloke in the squad so good for team culture and spirit etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Everyone's entitled to their opinion on Moore, but I've enjoyed the football on show this season way more than I have probably since Carlos' first season. Will he get us up? Fuck knows, I hope so, but I don't want promotion at any cost. We were relatively successful under Gray, but the football was so awful, I stopped going. Couldn't watch an Alex Neill or Gareth Ainsworth team, even if they finished top... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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