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Had they not acted like dicks probably would have been forgotten about 

3 hours ago, HoylandOwl said:

Maybe he already has?

Be lovely if true — that space would keep us locked at Hillsborough for a long time especially with the park - could even compete for internationals again 

Trips to Germany in a few weeks time!

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Final numbers 

14 hours ago, mkowl said:

I do get your point. On an objective test measure - ie points on the board then it stacks up. 

On a more subjective level, it never felt this was a play off capability squad. 

Put it another way, in a very hypothetical question, if we started next season with Rohl, this squad would you be confident of finishing in the play off positions ?

I just judge this on how we performed v the play off contenders

Leeds 1 point

Southampton 0 point

WBA 3 points

Norwich 1 point 

But it's the manner of some of those defeats - we were so far behind them.

This is not decrying their achievements, but it was done with a mindset of avoiding relegation. Job done. 

But to me there were too many flaws, weaknesses that would be found out. 

I mean the contract situation throws the debate out the window, but we saw an uplift in quality in January. That needs to be maintained but I look round the pitch and see several other positions that need it. More prevalent is I think Rohl realises it 

Fair points - but here’s something for to consider. Windass said recently when Munoz came in it was clear to the player he did not think they were good enough and as such it didn’t help the team overall. Rohl came in and coached the players making them believe and making them a team. 
 

And I think that’s the difference - Greece once won the Euro’s against all the odds not by having the best players but the best team coached to believe. 

Right manager in July - we challenge for the play off up to the weekend before the last I say - with the majority of squad who broke records the season before 
 

8 minutes ago, mkowl said:

Interesting point but he did say that pre season and perhaps it was the January signings that made the difference and Rohl.

As much as we under achieved with Xisco, I think we did overachieve somewhat with Rohl.

And without improvement thereto I am not sure Rohl could maintain it longer term. 

My pre season estimate was about 18th to 20th - subject to signings - which is sort of where we ended up. But not quite the roller coaster way we got there.

 

Of course it’s, IF, BUTS & MAYBE’s .. but I think my point stands. He gets the management right - always a gamble - and overachieving or not that stat see us above where we finished. Who’s to say Jan spend would not have been greater  with a few more points on the board as well.

I think though D.C. “lack of football knowledge” is another myth that can be dispelled - given the fact no body ever gets it truly right in football all the time!
 

Small point - DC said at the beginning of season this squad was good enough for playoffs - he’s was ridiculed!!!

The point haul based off the points per game under DR achieved for the entire season would of seen around 66 points

This would have put us 9th - and 7 points a drift .. (Wonder if Johnson playing all season would have been worth 7 points in the tin)

DC did he really get it that wrong regards our squad - under the right management!   

#Justsaying

What drove the huge difference - Plymouth away (we didn’t sell out) and them getting more at ours than at theirs? 
QPR away Leeds got similar to us?
 

So we ended above Plymouth!

Birmingham have been used several times in the past to show DC how to do it right - Fan engagement being on of those examples!

Chansiri is not the worst owner in the EFL - he is not the best either!

The way this protest group have blown issues out of proportion to equate us with the likes of Reading is the real issue!

And yes they are pointing out the end 60 seconds of an interview as the sign! 
 

It is not in Rohl interest to ramp expectations up before the start of the new season - when will people use there heads!

We have to trade carefully - we’ve got to do deals carefully - we don’t have huge levels of spending power due to the restrictions!

People will see and hear what they want based on their view especially if anti DC

48 minutes ago, Tewksbury said:

Just watched the Wednesday Week podcast with the bottom 4 and Ash has spent the entire thing banging on about the chaos in ownership and parroting all the lines, Chansiri refuses to fund the club, can't pay the tax bill, any TV money going to pay debts so maybe can't support Rohl, Rohl leaving like DM because of Chansiri.

This is the issue.

Unless you dig, this is the truth as this is all you hear.

Oh my blood pressure rises when they go in those types of rants!

Facts are it’s a long season!

And that’s all am willing to say until post 3pm Saturday when our fair is known 

though likely post Sunday once I’ve recovered from a night out around Newcastle !

Seen a post by Jim getting upset about fans getting behind the club and “forgetting” about the protest.

We are facing the most pivotal summer ever - contract situation mean we could very well hold the power at a club level again! It’s really is dependent on survival and that’s in our hands.

Attacking the chairman throughout the summer if we stay up is foolish.

Anyway Rohl says it Germany for preseason - am off to the Euros for few and could very well be off to see Wednesday as well ! Assuming I don’t get deported in the Euros or the wife don’t try killing me as I disappear each weekend in June then July 😂

Auf Wiedersehen, Pet

How to overshadow best game of season - these protests do nothing but good for the club!

Like the substantial lack of backing  Rohl got in Jan - no strikers, no keepers, no wingers … those arguments were used to  fuel the protests, alongside some poor results. 

Any rumours of takeover from Germany / US doing rounds over in Stalk.

Staying up not a done thing yet either but it’s looking like a Pivotal summer.

Wonder how big Darren is feeling.  

The father claiming assault winds me up! DC is accused of arrogance - er he’s happily standing for a picture with a young supporter. 
 

DC & family have been threatened with violence for 9 month by people who sing that song - he’s a 100% right to want to create a distance between him and someone singing that song next to his face. He at that stage does not know what could happen- security is there for a reason.

We are on the cusp of a new beginning - and thanks to the protests it could scupper that.

The Wednesday way for me is all about ourselves being our own biggest enemy! 

On 16/04/2024 at 08:32, Skamp said:

Anyway, and trying to move on.

Chansiri now in charge of ticketing arrangements for the Champions League Final.

 

That’s not bad to be fair

Remember when it was Chansiri fault for Leeds charging us £47 or whatever and the group used as another reason to beat him with.

Well Sunderland charged Leeds fans £30 this season and they got rewarded with a £47 charge also …

Still Leeds did nothing wrong according to lots it was all DC fault. 
 

It’s up there with reading as one the crapist away days …

yep I’ll be there early doors - never learn me!

1) currently Stalk is pushing the narrative that fan behaviour is a result of Chansiri game day management and not the negativity stirred up by recent protests 

2) Fan forum of 5 years? DC sat with a host of fans post the sacking of DM this summer? Spent 4 hours talking

it was followed up by some of his most ferment critics meeting him 2 week later.

Just now, Jake said:

Not sure where you’re going with this. Can’t say I had a feeling on it either way. I suppose if Chansiri’s reign was successful and his son learnt the ropes, I’d be overjoyed. 

Just interested - you see when he said that I felt like we had the backing of a owner who wanted the best for the club.

He’s had his mini breakdowns and some things he done have not sat right with me - but I anchor my perception that nobody goes out of their way to give their siblings something worse than when they took over.

DC is clearly (MK and I will happily debate that statement over the next half decade no doubt) working in the long term after his short term success attempt failed. 
 

When D.C. took us over he told us all he wanted to give the club to his son.

Can I ask how did that make you feel?

1 minute ago, Jake said:

I think most clubs have genuine supporter engagement and encourage communication with the people who make the club what it is. Maybe he would be better giving that task to a better qualified footballing person. 

So let me get this right .. DC the most accessible owner this club had probably ever.

its not good enough because other clubs are “more genuine” about their sessions.

You see the problem here is there are plenty clubs which have no dialogue - plenty of owners who do not care and yes plenty who do and plenty who need to still get it right! 

It’s just not a significant issue to warrant want an owner who continues to invest out! 

Just now, Jake said:

I had a meeting with Lee Strafford. Didn’t agree with him on many points but he didn’t talk over me. I’ve attempted several times to speak with Chansiri, he quote told me “not to come to his personal zone”, when emailing him on his official club email address. The same one which called other fans idiots “allegedly”. 
 

The four hour fan meetings stopped some time ago, we instead have an engagement panel meeting infrequently, which supporters groups such as the Trust are banned from. I’d be interested to know on your thoughts regarding whether you believe the club listen to the fans concerns? 

Lee wasn’t the owner he was the chairman.

There been online panels with DC recently and he met people who openly disliked him within the last year. 
 

Any other owner offer to meet any fan?

Cash flow impacts our owner - some of it out of his control.

families allowances?  Maybe

construction business suffer due to Chinese recession and general world wide issue - very likely!

DC wealthy but is he most wealthy owner in the world clearly not!

5 minutes ago, Jake said:

Paypal only cover your purchase for 180 days from the point of making the transaction. Therefor if you haven’t opened a dispute within 180 days and the company you purchase from enters liquidation without you receiving some or all of your services, you’ve lost your money. With cash and a cheque I don’t believe you have any avenues to get your money back, if the services aren’t delivered. 
 

With a credit card;

“If you booked a holiday or flights costing between £100 and £30,000 and paid either the deposit or the full price on your credit card, you may be able to claim if the airline or holiday company goes bust or the holiday isn’t as described. 

But not all situations are covered. You might not be able to claim if you bought from a third-party provider and you also wouldn’t be refunded for any unnecessary costs.”

The third party in this instance would be PayPal. 
 

Given that the club is openly admitting cash flow issues and paying HMRC has been problematic, I’d suggest buyer protection is important. It’s certainly a very fair question to ask the club with regard to the payment options offered. 
 

For reference;

https://www.moneysupermarket.com/credit-cards/guide-to-credit-card-protection/

It’s called a sunk cost! Club can have my money it’s already gets a significant proportion of my life!

I am really am not chasing cash if my club goes bust indeed I’ll be putting MORE money into the bloody club! 

Wow bit of catch up that was!!

So the sponsorship has been adequately debunked already.

The player argument - let me take you back to the Westwood and Hutchinson situation of frozen in and out by differing managers?

That alone should end all speculation  that Chansiri controls the situation above and beyond the manager involved! I mean seriously just apply common sense when jumping on chairman for freezing out players! Not least Johnson!!! Munoz didn’t like Rohl brought back - common denominator same bloody chairman!!!!

When you argument is he appointed a poor manager he should go !!!! I want to scream!! Pulis I hated but at the time I thought great appointment! It’s football nobody gets it right all the time!

 Communication with the fans is broken - compared to?? Jake you 36 .. tell me a time you could get a meeting with the owner by asking? An audience of over 4 hours? The club is doing more behind scenes than ever! 
 

as he got things wrong!! YES! Point deduction so frustrating but even then it was clear cut cock up was it - it was a sodding stupid admin error!

If DC sold and it went badly these guys would blame D.C.! If D.C. sold and it went well these guys would take the credit and ignore D.C.