Andyben Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 Would you give Buckley a run in Bannan role, or shore it up with two from Byers/Vaulks /Hendrick and use them to feed the wingers/wing backs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 53 minutes ago, mkowl said: On reflection it was a pretty decent performance and unlucky not to get a point. A few weeks ago that sending off would have been the trigger for a total collapse. Still annoyed that Dawson chose the option for a short pass. If you re-visit it then it wasn't from a goal kick, it was from the touchline to him and there were 3 Bristol City players lurking. A 70 yard up the field moment. I do think what will cost us this season is the lack of quality in the final third It was a rick by Dawson but as others have said IF we are going to persist with playing out from the keeper/back the outfield players have to be alert Bannan wasn't notwithstanding Dawson's poor choice. It's happened before this season with other players ( and keeper). On a more general theme I like is that the vast majority of fans are very much on board with how DR is progressing things notwithstanding the stark stad of obe win and 3 defeats in four. Anyone can see that we are much improved which will only progress IMO as the squad gets fitter. I expect an injection of a bit of quality in January probably facilitated by most of the loanees going back if loan terms permit. The permanent Xisco signings are fortunately showing to be the better summer recruits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 Isn't Fletcher 'ours' on a short term contract not on loan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 Just now, Andyben said: Isn't Fletcher 'ours' on a short term contract not on loan? Loan https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2023/july/ashley-fletcher-joins-owls-on-loan/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HoylandOwl Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 interesting that he says the players are 'more in shape'... Wonder if that's a reference to fitness OR team shape? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boracic Lint Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 Just now, Andyben said: Isn't Fletcher 'ours' on a short term contract not on loan? It was one of the young lads, Musaba or Gassama who was supposed to be a loan but became a permanent at the last minute. Bernard is also on a short contract. We could also look to make Momo permanent in January if Rohl likes him as he's on a loan to buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 6 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said: Loan https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2023/july/ashley-fletcher-joins-owls-on-loan/ Well that's good news 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 52 minutes ago, Boracic Lint said: Bernard is also on a short contract. We need to get him on at least another year as he's already been looked at by other clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 1 hour ago, Andyben said: Would you give Buckley a run in Bannan role, or shore it up with two from Byers/Vaulks /Hendrick and use them to feed the wingers/wing backs Buckley seems a tad lacking in physicality - be a good option in a side that dominates possession which we aren't. There are still times, evident in the early part of yesterday's game where the gaps in our midfield are easy to exploit. Not saying the missing Diaby is the solution but he did look like he could be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 5 minutes ago, Tylluan said: We need to get him on at least another year as he's already been looked at by other clubs Seem to recall there was an interview where he basically suggested he was coming here to put himself in the window hence why he'd only signed on for a year. Said something like, the championship is great, but I want to be playing higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl4ever1867 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 Some of the football Rohl has got us playing is wonderful to watch, very Big Ron esque imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrolMong Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 I think technically, Buckley can do the Bannan role. But physically and athletically he can’t. He’s just not mobile or physical enough, I don’t think he’s a great reader of the game defensively. I do think there is a role for him if his fitness improves, perhaps even as a 10 in a three behind a striker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrolMong Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 What I’d actually like to see in Jan is a goalscorer, a mobile 9, a proper 10 and a left back. If we have to terminate loans and get rid of a few to do this, so be it. Certainly Fletcher and Hendricks, if we can ship out a couple on loan such as Lee Gregory and Liam Palmer, that would give us the space we need in the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 Is Vasquez on a yoof loan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 4 minutes ago, KrolMong said: What I’d actually like to see in Jan is a goalscorer, a mobile 9, a proper 10 and a left back. If we have to terminate loans and get rid of a few to do this, so be it. Certainly Fletcher and Hendricks, if we can ship out a couple on loan such as Lee Gregory and Liam Palmer, that would give us the space we need in the squad. I like Hendrick, and thi k hell come good same as Byers and Vaulks have despite getting pelters from our fans initially Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyOwl Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 That tackle by Famewo though 😍😍😍😍 the more I see it the better it gets he’s miles behind him when he sets off Dawson no where near getting back and he slides in 🙌🙌🙌🙌 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snap Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 45 minutes ago, HappyOwl said: That tackle by Famewo though 😍😍😍😍 the more I see it the better it gets he’s miles behind him when he sets off Dawson no where near getting back and he slides in 🙌🙌🙌🙌 Didn't he put his finger up to Dawson to tell him you owe me one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyOwl Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 2 hours ago, Snap said: Didn't he put his finger up to Dawson to tell him you owe me one? Didn’t see that he’s right though if he did 🙌🙌 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snap Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 9 minutes ago, HappyOwl said: Didn’t see that he’s right though if he did 🙌🙌 Just checked and he did, right on 14 minutes. https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/highlights-bristol-city-v-owls/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 6 hours ago, Tylluan said: We need to get him on at least another year as he's already been looked at by other clubs Am pretty sure that's why he's only on a one year contract. I can't imagine that was our idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 5 hours ago, Andyben said: Is Vasquez on a yoof loan? He's 25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boracic Lint Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 8 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said: Am pretty sure that's why he's only on a one year contract. I can't imagine that was our idea. Him getting a good move isn't necessarily a bad thing, as it will encourage more players in the same situation to come here. If we are going to be sustainable, then this is the sort of thing we need to be doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 2 minutes ago, Boracic Lint said: Him getting a good move isn't necessarily a bad thing, as it will encourage more players in the same situation to come here. If we are going to be sustainable, then this is the sort of thing we need to be doing. Only compared with him not coming here in the first place but I know what you mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boracic Lint Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 26 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said: Only compared with him not coming here in the first place but I know what you mean. We need young players who come here for the opportunity to progress, not old players who are only here because we're the only mugs going to pay them what they're getting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 (edited) The clubs looking at Bernard are Championship clubs and none of them are currently in contention for promotion. As good as he's looking in our team he's not PL standard. There's footballing reasons why Man Utd sent him out to Hull and Portsmouth and no other higher club took him when he was released. Edited November 5 by Tylluan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamblor Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 He isn’t 24 until October so believe if he did move at the end of his contract then we’d be due some sort of fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 43 minutes ago, Gamblor said: He isn’t 24 until October so believe if he did move at the end of his contract then we’d be due some sort of fee. Difference between Bernard and someone like Urhoghide is Bernard signed as a first team squad member. He runs his contract down then he walks for nothing. Urhoghide signed initially as an u21 so we could claim academy association to get Celtic to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamblor Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 1 hour ago, Tylluan said: Difference between Bernard and someone like Urhoghide is Bernard signed as a first team squad member. He runs his contract down then he walks for nothing. Urhoghide signed initially as an u21 so we could claim academy association to get Celtic to pay. But is that free transfer only if he goes abroad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 No. Can only pre-sign for non English team from Jan, sign for anyone for free in July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 3 hours ago, Gamblor said: But is that free transfer only if he goes abroad? Sorry mate I don't think you're getting it. We got fees for Shaw and Urhoghide (and the two lads who recently went to Brentford B) because they were 'developed' by us through our academy system and the u21s. We've had no input into Bernard's development as he came to us as a full first teamer. If he'd turned down a Man Utd contract to become a free agent then we'd have owed them about a million but they released him so they didn't collect anything. If a player has spent time in a club youth development system and turns down the offer of a contract to become a free agent then the parent club is entitled to recoup some of the coaching and development costs. The amount depends on time spent and academy category. That's why we got around £300k for Shaw but only around half of that for Urhoghide. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 He'll stay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canterburyowl Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Shaw, Urghogide, Hayden White, George Hirst... never exactly pulled up many trees after they left. I wouldn't sweat it just yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neville Facking Bartos Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Hirst would be a useful addition to our current squad 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 On 05/11/2023 at 13:27, Snap said: Didn't he put his finger up to Dawson to tell him you owe me one? He'll need Dingle fingers if Dawson stays No1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 17 hours ago, Andyben said: He'll stay Not if we go down, he won't. (That's not me forecasting that we will, btw.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 Bannans Red Card overturned !! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 FFS just when you think the season can't get any worse 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 1 hour ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said: Bannans Red Card overturned !! Bloody hell! That's amazed me!! Thought they'd give us a deduction for asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul from Wisewood Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 2 hours ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said: Bannans Red Card overturned !! Was never a red. but still amazed it got overturned joke though as it probably cost us at least a point, they were there for the taking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 We're being cheated by inept/corrupt officials far too often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelters Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 1 hour ago, Paul from Wisewood said: Was never a red. but still amazed it got overturned joke though as it probably cost us at least a point, they were there for the taking That’s the bit that always gets me about this. It cost us at least a point but nothing happens about that. I’m not saying you should replay the game but some sort of acknowledgement would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 So there's an error, which arguably could be said to have cost us the game. Yet the ref will go unpunished, and carry on this weekend like all is well and he can just basically say 'soz lads' and it'll be over with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBO Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 We have the same number of points as we did at kick off so I'm not sure how it has cost us points What we saw after the red card has no bearing whatsoever on what we would have seen if it hadn't been given We might have got something, we might have still lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 2 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said: So there's an error, which arguably could be said to have cost us the game. Yet the ref will go unpunished, and carry on this weekend like all is well and he can just basically say 'soz lads' and it'll be over with. This, it is so frustrating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 2 minutes ago, JBO said: We have the same number of points as we did at kick off so I'm not sure how it has cost us points What we saw after the red card has no bearing whatsoever on what we would have seen if it hadn't been given We might have got something, we might have still lost You know what I'm saying, a decision like that which is now said to be wrong, has the potential to limit our chances of picking up any points from the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAL Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 11 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said: So there's an error, which arguably could be said to have cost us the game. Yet the ref will go unpunished, and carry on this weekend like all is well and he can just basically say 'soz lads' and it'll be over with. Correct, apart from the highlighted part... There is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE OF THAT HAPPENING. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBO Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 14 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said: You know what I'm saying, a decision like that which is now said to be wrong, has the potential to limit our chances of picking up any points from the game. Yes. But it also might not have done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 39 minutes ago, JBO said: Yes. But it also might not have done True but the team with the extra man have an advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 4 hours ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said: Bannans Red Card overturned !! Sorry guys misread the press release !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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