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1 hour ago, Alan Finney said:

Statement from the trust. 

I remember DC turfing them out of get togethers he had with the supporters groups and continued the meetings with the other groups. That must have hurt them and they've been racking their brains ever since on how to become relevant again. So they came up with this umbrella group idea, linked it to the planned future legislation to try and force DC to engage with them again by removing anyone else that DC could engage with. But they'll do exactly to those groups what they are accusing DC of doing to them, i.e manipulate and control them.

Reading up online it sounds like they approached the groups without letting the club know but at least one particular group boss grassed them up to DC 😂😂😂. DC quite rightly used his influence on these groups so they didn't get themselves into a position where hostile groups could use them for their own ends.

There's accusations being bandied around elsewhere on who they think the grass is, unless they've been removed of course. I don't know the bloke or the site so can't comment on either as I don't do that particular type of SM.

Must admit, I thought they were on their last legs, but it appears they've been plotting. I await their inevitable demise after success on the field.

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That ‘statement’ hurts my eyes. 
it helps if these groups made things accessible to all too.
 

That statement is NOT that. 

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58 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

That ‘statement’ hurts my eyes. 
it helps if these groups made things accessible to all too.
 

That statement is NOT that. 

I just find it incredibly sad that just as we appear to be dragging ourselves out of a swamp that there's some amongst us who are quite happy to try and drag us back in. We have so much to look forward to but these people are determined to put a damper on it all. Depressing.

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I've read the Trust statement as the club have told various groups that they'll lose their individual places on the engagement panel because the wider WFA (new Trust) group that they've joined will have one voice on the the panel instead. 

Their are certain groups that benefit from closer ties to the club. Several members of the Armed Forces Owls represented the club at the National Arboretum D Day commemoration. SODA and Wise Old Owls enjoy close relationships as well. To lose their voice to a conglomerate entity that might not truly represent them was probably too much.

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56 minutes ago, Tylluan said:

I've read the Trust statement as the club have told various groups that they'll lose their individual places on the engagement panel because the wider WFA (new Trust) group that they've joined will have one voice on the the panel instead. 

Their are certain groups that benefit from closer ties to the club. Several members of the Armed Forces Owls represented the club at the National Arboretum D Day commemoration. SODA and Wise Old Owls enjoy close relationships as well. To lose their voice to a conglomerate entity that might not truly represent them was probably too much.

And they are right to not join if their views are going to be submerged 

I suppose how I see it is a Supporters Club is the overarching structure, but very much the individual sections run themselves, but become affiliated thereto. 

It opens an official channel to communicate with the Club, it could offer support and resources to those wanting to set up other groups.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, mkowl said:

And they are right to not join if their views are going to be submerged 

I suppose how I see it is a Supporters Club is the overarching structure, but very much the individual sections run themselves, but become affiliated thereto. 

It opens an official channel to communicate with the Club, it could offer support and resources to those wanting to set up other groups.

 

 

However, in the real world....

My thoughts / concept for a new supporters club from a while ago that I spoke to TB about could have worked 

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Just now, Andyben said:

However, in the real world....

My thoughts / concept for a new supporters club from a while ago that I spoke to TB about could have worked 

Remind us what you suggested.

I don't think it was that dissimilar to what I had put into the mix a decade ago.

I agree my considerations are pretty wishful thinking. Or more I wouldn't start from here to achieve it.

Like I say it almost has to be created when things are going well, so it's viewed as collaboration not confrontation. 

The Supporters Club I envisaged would have stated it was "non political".

My emails to Harrowby Owl were quite forthright and indeed predicted it would never work 

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3 minutes ago, Andyben said:

There were two versions.

An independent one and one ljnked to the club.

I seemed to recall liking the concept when you mentioned it. Preferring the one linked to the Club / Membership scheme.

See any maverick trouble makers could have membership revoked or denied 

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18 minutes ago, Chelters said:

Seriously how many fan groups do we need anyway??

Just mine obvz - which would have had sub-committees / special interest groups etc all of which would be equally represented on the board, SODA / WOO/ JUNIOR OWLS / Armed Forces / Expats etc 

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1 hour ago, Chelters said:

Seriously how many fan groups do we need anyway??

I mean there is a need for a separate one for each poster on here as we would never all agree on everything or anything 

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2 minutes ago, mkowl said:

I mean there is a need for a separate one for each poster on here as we would never all agree on everything or anything 

So we don't need any then.

Each and every one will not work 100% with another.

Even if we only have one, every member will not all think alike, which will/would/could cause friction.

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7 hours ago, MAL said:

So we don't need any then.

Each and every one will not work 100% with another.

Even if we only have one, every member will not all think alike, which will/would/could cause friction.

But then we have trade unions, political parties etc. So you might not agree with everything but you join or vote because broad brush your views align 

I suppose its whether you think fans groups are there to be confrontational, sadly that is when they are noticed, or it is more a broad church of Sheffield Wednesday fans. 

So you are a member of Sheffield Wednesday Football Club, automatically as a season ticket holder, you can join thereafter on different levels, the sub groups for overseas Owls, special interest groups are part of it.

And yes from that there could be a fan group representative on the board, channeling the considerations into the mix, does not have to be agenda driven.

I think Andy sort of grasps the concept, it's just re-thinking the thing

 

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Interesting that the Stalk thread seems to have disappeared. 

Anyway he is bemoaning and citing defeat in the battle against ticket prices with Chansiri.

The dichotomy here is that across the EFL the cumulative attendances were the highest since the 50s (cited as the golden period). So football is obviously doing something well and suggests pricing is viewed as reasonable. 

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11 minutes ago, mkowl said:

But then we have trade unions, political parties etc. So you might not agree with everything but you join or vote because broad brush your views align 

I suppose its whether you think fans groups are there to be confrontational, sadly that is when they are noticed, or it is more a broad church of Sheffield Wednesday fans. 

So you are a member of Sheffield Wednesday Football Club, automatically as a season ticket holder, you can join thereafter on different levels, the sub groups for overseas Owls, special interest groups are part of it.

And yes from that there could be a fan group representative on the board, channeling the considerations into the mix, does not have to be agenda driven.

I think Andy sort of grasps the concept, it's just re-thinking the thing

 

I don’t think there’s a need for a group like 1867 to exist right now, when its moral purpose is to ridicule, belittle, criticise and slate the Chairman. Even trade unions work with employers, not against them.

If things go tits up at Wednesday then that’s the time for an 1867 Group. To have a group hovering in the background, just waiting for something to go wrong and continually putting a negative spin on anything DC does is simply out of order.

They aren’t needed, they aren’t wanted and they contribute nothing positive towards SWFC. The sooner they fuck off the better!

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44 minutes ago, mkowl said:

So you are a member of Sheffield Wednesday Football Club, automatically as a season ticket holder, you can join thereafter on different levels, the sub groups for overseas Owls, special interest groups are part of it.

And yes from that there could be a fan group representative on the board, channelling the considerations into the mix, does not have to be agenda driven.

I think Andy sort of grasps the concept, it's just re-thinking the thing

There'd be no representation on the board of the club - we've only got one director remember, but the SC would have a dedicated staff member to enable bilateral talks

This was the basic gist of it - 

  1. Anyone with a ticket office ID automatically becomes a member of the SC and anyone else can join for free by registering at the OS. 
  2. If you're a ST holder or other paid up member, you become a voting member and are able to stand for election and vote in elections to the SC's 'board' - all identities would be 'verified' using an online Due Diligence screener.
  3. Within the SC there would be approved sub-sections with their own mini-charters which would have a place on the board and would hold their own 'elections' based on their charter.
  4. Funded by memberships and £5/£10 from each ST to cover staff costs at the Club (SC liaison officer, admin & IT etc)
  5. Sorry Tee/Reesh - official Forum (locked to SC members) on the club website and official social media accounts.

There's other stuff but I've forgot most of it

The unofficial SC would be 80% of the above but with sponsorship and fundraising to provide the working capital to run IT systems and employ people etc

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23 minutes ago, Bellsview said:

I don’t think there’s a need for a group like 1867 to exist right now, when its moral purpose is to ridicule, belittle, criticise and slate the Chairman. Even trade unions work with employers, not against them.

If things go tits up at Wednesday then that’s the time for an 1867 Group. To have a group hovering in the background, just waiting for something to go wrong and continually putting a negative spin on anything DC does is simply out of order.

They aren’t needed, they aren’t wanted and they contribute nothing positive towards SWFC. The sooner they fuck off the better!

And I guess this is where the Supporters Club concept comes from. You build it when things are heading in a more positive way. And hopefully if it worked well then you never get to the stage of the acrimony between some fans and the owner that we have seen. It will never be perfect, the recent example at Wolves is interesting to follow from afar, that the Club appear to have listened to elements of the complaints. At the same time I am sure most fans see it as trying to get a fair balance so you are competitive on the pitch but also fans are not priced out, replaced with the tourists 

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1 minute ago, Andyben said:

This was the basic gist of it - 

  1. Anyone with a ticket office ID automatically becomes a member of the SC and anyone else can join for free by registering at the OS. 
  2. If you're a ST holder or other paid up member, you become a voting member and are able to stand for election and vote in elections to the SC's 'board' - all identities would be 'verified' using an online Due Diligence screener.
  3. Within the SC there would be approved sub-sections with their own mini-charters which would have a place on the board and would hold their own 'elections' based on their charter.
  4. Funded by memberships and £5/£10 from each ST to cover staff costs at the Club (SC liaison officer, admin & IT etc)
  5. Sorry Tee/Reesh - official Forum (locked to SC members) on the club website and official social media accounts.

There's other stuff but I've forgot most of it

The unofficial SC would be 80% of the above but with sponsorship and fundraising to provide the working capital to run IT systems and employ people etc

Totally on board with that idea. Sort of what I was suggesting - just a bit clearer for others to follow. 

I genuinely think Wednesday could become a leader that others follow

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1 hour ago, Beaconowl said:

Watching the Euros I see an advert at the game for “BYD, the number One Nev maker”. Are BYD behind the 1867 group?

Whichever factory is churning them out needs to change their brain cell supplier. 

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7 hours ago, Beaconowl said:

Watching the Euros I see an advert at the game for “BYD, the number One Nev maker”. Are BYD behind the 1867 group?

According to some motoring guru on You Tube BYD is known as Burn Your Dealership due to the number of fires their cars have in China

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On 11/06/2024 at 17:33, Tank_Owl2,0 said:

Is Clive Betts an Owl/Pig? If the latter why would any Wednesday fan group wish to deal with him?

Heard he's got connections in Brazil, might get us a decent player in

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On 16/06/2024 at 01:42, lobster said:

According to some motoring guru on You Tube BYD is known as Burn Your Dealership due to the number of fires their cars have in China

Burn Your Drive

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39 minutes ago, mkowl said:

Might be dusting down their keyboards now the POTG prices have been released

I might get them involved with a gripe I have locally. We asked a guy for a price to come to the office to wash and valet cars. He wanted £100 per car. £35-40 to watch Championship football as an adult seems a bargain in comparison. I’ll get them some balloons and a banner. 

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They have indeed piped up again on X. Complete silence when some positive things are happening and suddenly here they are.

I think ticket prices are a valid criticism but their unceasing negativity and lack of objectivity as usual completely destroys any shred of credibility they had. But sadly they will influence the more suggestible. 

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14 minutes ago, Chelters said:

They have indeed piped up again on X. Complete silence when some positive things are happening and suddenly here they are.

I think ticket prices are a valid criticism but their unceasing negativity and lack of objectivity as usual completely destroys any shred of credibility they had. But sadly they will influence the more suggestible. 

Or influence  the irrelevant.

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