Stadium clocks….

[HoylandOwl]

Won’t now stop at 90 mins…..

 

[Greno]

I misread the title and thought it was a thread about the Rev.

[80s Owl]

On 04/08/2023 at 15:57, HoylandOwl said:

Won’t now stop at 90 mins…..

 

I've never liked the fact that they stopped at 90mins when there's time added on.

[HoylandOwl]

It’s amusing all this chat in the media about the added time.

On the way home on Friday, listening to Talksport they were chuntering about there being so much stoppage time. It’s now not fair on players, expecting them to play longer and, it’s not fair on the commentators too, to expect them to work longer. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Tylluan]

Didn't a couple of games go an extra 15 mins yesterday? Can't remember the game but Mark Chapman kept going back to one reporter for an update and he just kept saying "still playing"

[Tylluan]

Could see a few final day games going past 20 mins as teams employ a bit of shithousery to extend their game to try and find out the final score of promotion/relegation rivals. 

 

[HoylandOwl]

1 hour ago, Tylluan said:

Could see a few final day games going past 20 mins as teams employ a bit of shithousery to extend their game to try and find out the final score of promotion/relegation rivals. 

 

That wouldn’t be a surprise. But highlights how how stupid things could be

[Tank_Owl2,0]

The alternative is you play 90mins, no injury time. Both have their flaws.

As a “customer” I don’t mind seeing 90mins plus injury time, more mins per £.

[Skamp]

Ball in play will still be less than 60 minutes. 
 

one PL game last season saw ball in play less than 45 mins. I’ll try and find it out. 

Edited August 6, 2023 by Skamp

[Skamp]

https://theanalyst.com/eu/2023/05/guide-to-premier-league-time-wasting/#:~:text=The average ball-in-play,43 back in 2013-14.

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

Our game Friday had the ball in play over 69 minutes. Only one game in the Championship had over 66 mins the previous season. 

Football is a 90 minute game but never a game where it was expected the ball in play for 90 minutes. There would always be natural gaps in play so effective playing time is less. And guess what it worked quite well. 

The issue is that the gaps became contrived not natural so you have to address it. But it needs independent timekeepers as a starter

 

[HoylandOwl]

So…

11 hours ago, Skamp said:

https://theanalyst.com/eu/2023/05/guide-to-premier-league-time-wasting/#:~:text=The average ball-in-play,43 back in 2013-14.

it’s got worse in terms of the time the ball is in play. So, rather than add time on, then is time wasting better stopped by punishing the obvious delays in play?

While I was annoyed at the number of what seemed like frivolous yellow cards in the community shield yesterday, I suppose those small kicks away of the ball, and not blatantly booting it away all  still add up.

 

 

 

[HoylandOwl]

This is quite interesting.... With so the Championship matches over the weekend the ball was on average in play almost 7 minutes more, but the games only lasted an average of almost 6 minutes longer. 

 

[HoylandOwl]

Man United centre back and World Cup winner Raphael Varane has had his say on things via social media….

[Tylluan]

19 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

Man United centre back and World Cup winner Raphael Varane has had his say on things via social media….

Every PL team threatens to down tools over the opening weekend and normal service will be resumed by Friday lunchtime. 

Don't even have to fully refuse to play. Just threaten to play the kids

Edited August 8, 2023 by Tylluan

[Skamp]

Away fans at some games are the ones that will suffer. If your train back is at 5.30 or 5.46 for example you need to game over as quickly as possible.

 

Some night games could mean either missing the last train back or the last 10 minutes of a game.

 

Then score an 89th minute 'winner' and then see 14 minutes going up.

 

 

[Ozzie]

If it stops the cheating then I'm all for it. Commentators make it worse when they call it gamesmanship. it's far from that. Few weeks in and if Refs stick to it then the play acting will stop.

Would be better if retrospective action on diving was introduced too.

 

Gareth Ainsworth's time in management looks doomed or his games will be going into the next day 

[Owling_Wolf]

22 hours ago, Ozzie said:

If it stops the cheating then I'm all for it. Commentators make it worse when they call it gamesmanship. it's far from that. Few weeks in and if Refs stick to it then the play acting will stop.

Would be better if retrospective action on diving was introduced too.

 

Gareth Ainsworth's time in management looks doomed or his games will be going into the next day 

I absolutely agree with that.  Often if a disease is deep rooted, the medicine has to be unpleasant and long lasting.  

I especially agree regarding commentators, (or perhaps more likely pundits.)  I really  remember wanting to puke some time ago when one (Ian Wright I think it was) angrilly responded to someone's opinion with, "He touched him, he's entitled to go down!"    

I seriously hate seeing on MOTD where a forward sprints to a ball in the box and, instead of shooting or passing it, all he wants to do is stick his leg right across behind the ball: so that the defender, who is already into the simple act of kicking the ball clear, kicks his foot / leg instead.   Similarly, when both are pursuing the ball into the box at speed, when the forward gets the ball and suddenly stops dead. The sprinting defender, having no warning, has no chance to stop in time.  In both cases the attacker has preferred the engineered foul, the penalty, the possible red card, to the possibility of scoring a goal.  And the refs have just gone along with it.   I don't want to watch that sickening cynicism. That is no part of the exciting game that first enthralled me. That's cheating and, if it isn't, it should be.  

Edited August 10, 2023 by Owling_Wolf

[HoylandOwl]

Interesting comment Fred, I know what you mean. The clearance/already in motion of kicking 'foul' is one which has annoyed me for a while. IMO, It's the striker/player closing down who's the offender, rather than the person clearing the ball. 

[Owling_Wolf]

2 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

Interesting comment Fred, I know what you mean. The clearance/already in motion of kicking 'foul' is one which has annoyed me for a while. IMO, It's the striker/player closing down who's the offender, rather than the person clearing the ball. 

Plenty of times, Tee.  

[HoylandOwl]

Aye. Maybe it's 'the modern game' that WE don't get pal! 🙂 

[Owling_Wolf]

5 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

Aye. Maybe it's 'the modern game' that WE don't get pal! 🙂 

Or want to, those parts!   Or panels of experts imparting to future generations that those are the right things to do.  

[LiamOwl]

I guess the point is that any impact on the lengths of games and therefore on fans will hopefully be short lived as players learn that time wasting has no value if the time is always added back on. 

[HoylandOwl]

1 hour ago, LiamOwl said:

I guess the point is that any impact on the lengths of games and therefore on fans will hopefully be short lived as players learn that time wasting has no value if the time is always added back on. 

Hopefully. 

[Andyben]

Stop the clock as soon as ref stops play, except when ball goes out of play, is probably best way forward.

No more injury time.

Maybe like Rugby, click stops at 90 with claxkn, match ends next time ball goes out.

Edited August 10, 2023 by Andyben

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

41 minutes ago, Andyben said:

Stop the clock as soon as ref stops play, except when ball goes out of play, is probably best way forward.

No more injury time.

Maybe like Rugby, click stops at 90 with claxkn, match ends next time ball goes out.

And if a player takes the piss with a re-start, the ref stops the clock and also the opposition get the throw in/ free kick. 

The entertaining one would be on a goal kick and the opposition getting the ball on the 6 yard line. I suspect that is flawed in terms of speeding up the game 

[Bellsview]

In rugby league the game continues when a player is injured.

The player gets treatment straight away and no momentum in the game is lost. Obviously if the injury is a serious one the ref will stop the game, but even in rugby league those instances are few and far between.

Why we don’t have that rule in football is beyond me. It would stop the play acting and time wasting immediately, as there’d be nothing to gain from it.

[Tylluan]

Both codes of rugby as well as hockey have stricter 'laws' regarding player conduct so there's a much better/stronger uniformity across officiating. 

The problem with football is the laws haven't kept up with the skulduggery of players and coaches. This leads to FIFA's interpretations and more ambiguity amongst officials. Instead of tightening up and simplifying the rules they introduce technology that can't be filtered down throughout the game. 

Don't know fully about rugby's current rules but in hockey law 9, player conduct, is two pages long and explicitly lays out what a player cannot do. It makes it so simple for the officials and means no comeback from the coaches as there is no ambiguity and no interpretation involved. There's also a code of integrity that all players, coaches, and officials have to sign. Break that and your season disappears. There's no hearing, no appeal, just a panel that points out which part you broke. 

[Andyben]

Do you  wear those tight little shorts under your skirt @Tylluan?

[Tylluan]

12 minutes ago, Andyben said:

Do you  wear those tight little shorts under your skirt @Tylluan?

Your imagination, not mine