HoylandOwl Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Some excerpts courtesy of the Yorkshire Live blog On DM: It's not complicated. It happens in football: coaches come and go. This is normal. I can't talk much because I promised with him I will not say anything. If he says first, then I will say it. If you want more info, maybe go and ask him. We have good relationship still. After game (Wembley) he wen on holiday and then came back last week. We had a meeting. It's nothing different - it's football. We still have a good relationship. Maybe he'll come and watch us and sit next to me. I've been in football long enough and the coach leaving is normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 On a new manager We will have the new coach soon. I'll try before players come back. In Championship it's more difficult than League One. It's easier to recruit faster in League One. Majority of players are on holiday at the moment. Please be more patient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 On new players If you want to bring in good players you have more competition. Players will choose which clubs give them the best. It's going to take more time but at the end we'll have 25 players ready to play on August 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Lots of jam tomorrow from what I've read so far. Very bland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 DC: I talked to Bannan this morning, on Zoom. He asked me what happened and I explained what happened. Then we talked about the coach and I said I'd try and bring one soon. Don't worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 @YesWeCrann Chansiri jokes that Bannan can take preseason training if they don’t have a manager appointed by the time they get back. #SWFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 DC: Whoever we bring in, I try for the best. Jos brought a club (German) to the top flight three times. But unfortunately it didn't work. If you talk about Pulis, he had experience and I wanted someone to help us stay in the Championship. I knew his style of playing but we needed someone to push. Sometimes they work good, sometimes bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Just now, HoylandOwl said: @YesWeCrann Chansiri jokes that Bannan can take preseason training if they don’t have a manager appointed by the time they get back. #SWFC Bannan had a dream To build a football team We had no boss He said that's no loss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 It's coming across as it was definitely a spur of the moment decision, with zero preparation. Or even expectation of potential outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 DC is suggesting we won't have to google the new manager, and he should be better than the last one!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 On transfers: The one who did the lists is our recruitment team; our team. We made lists and the coach will talk to them and we'll go through it. Whoever is here (coach) will still use our list. (that'll be the recruitment analyst, not TEAM as we don't have a recruitment TEAM) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 DC: I never heard any coach tell me my squad is very bad. Before I make a decision I let them study my squad first, where is our weakness etc. When we start to play bad suddenly the squad is bad. I understand all the fans who follow 'experts' and sometimes you believe other people more than the club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 DC on DM: He brought us up to Championship and should get chance. If you know me, I always support as much as I can. I was happy to let him be here but as a football business it's normal. It's football business, I'm sorry I can't go more in-depth. You need to go and ask Darren. If he's happy to say, I'm happy to say. I promised with him to not say anything. We still have a good relationship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 On finances: Accounts are almost (going) public soon. In football accounts will roughly stay the same except you sell a player etc. You can use last year's statement to predict this year. I mentioned FFP all the time when I first came. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 DC: I don't want to talk about the EFL too much! We need to find some way to (look at it). I try to generate money from outside. It's not easy but I try. I always told my team we need money from the outside. We need all the fans to help us. My intention is to do good. I can't just inject money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 You gone for a pooh or is it a tea break down there @HoylandOwl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 Q: You're excluding people and I think it's disgusting (with prices). The prices go up. Luton got promoted last season with less season ticket holders than us. Why do we have to be so high? DC: Even all the money from the fans (ticket prices) is not enough to break even. You have your own opinion and we don't have to agree. I understand fans want it cheap. All fans want to be in the Championship. If you want cheap(er tickets) then why not stay in League One? Everyone knows Championship costs more. If we have a problem again (FFP) then it'll be because of me. Nothing is free. It needs to be balanced. We started tickets from £395 (early bird). Why didn't people buy then? I lose around £1m to give back to fans' loyalty (with those prices). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Sitting back from this, then it is clear DC is adopting a "Moneyball" type approach. Nothing unusual in that, we have basically applied it from day one of his tenure. The words he uses "my squad" "recruitment team" "head coach assesses squad given" At the top of the game, Man City basically do this. Brentford past masters of it. Basically the manager is no more than a head coach - input to recruitment is minimal. The idea is you have a degree of continuity and approach. The head coach is as dispensible as the head of catering, or ticketing. Sadly we fans are attuned to the old school world of the Fergies of this world. It makes sense that Moore has decided he wants more control. That he could have loyalty to his coaching team but if they are considered by the owner to be performing poorly then you change them Moore may have a job lined up where he has the freedom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Andyben said: You gone for a pooh or is it a tea break down there @HoylandOwl I'm not there. Just sharing from other sources, as I mentioned on the OP 😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 Re season ticket pricing DC: You can pay by instalments and all the fans know everything (price) goes up and up. I made decisions in the past to make (prices) more fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Just now, HoylandOwl said: Q: You're excluding people and I think it's disgusting (with prices). The prices go up. Luton got promoted last season with less season ticket holders than us. Why do we have to be so high? DC: Even all the money from the fans (ticket prices) is not enough to break even. You have your own opinion and we don't have to agree. I understand fans want it cheap. All fans want to be in the Championship. If you want cheap(er tickets) then why not stay in League One? Everyone knows Championship costs more. If we have a problem again (FFP) then it'll be because of me. Nothing is free. It needs to be balanced. We started tickets from £395 (early bird). Why didn't people buy then? I lose around £1m to give back to fans' loyalty (with those prices). Tbf that is a decent answer to the those that want a Range Rover but only pay the price for a Skoda, but expect them to be subsidised by others for the difference There is a lot of money envy on show. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 DC: In the Championship the cost is three times more so why does the ticket not go up from League One? I'm happy to reduce the price if you can get the same people. If you can't commit I can't do it. DC: I'm always fair. I cannot take the risk (on lowering price and people not coming). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 That the problem with Socialists, Wenzdi Fans, eventually you run out of other people's money - Lady Thatcher. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 minute ago, HoylandOwl said: Re season ticket pricing DC: You can pay by instalments and all the fans know everything (price) goes up and up. I made decisions in the past to make (prices) more fair. I would love to be there and ask the Question : How much have you put in to the club to cover the shortfall last season. How much is forecast for the 2023/24 season. Just to give some idea in £'s what his subsidy is The problem here is DC is seen as a rich boy who can afford it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said: DC: In the Championship the cost is three times more so why does the ticket not go up from League One? I'm happy to reduce the price if you can get the same people. If you can't commit I can't do it. DC: I'm always fair. I cannot take the risk (on lowering price and people not coming). Tbf he is on good form on some of the answers - give a frank reality check on finances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Nil is the answer (outside the accounting theatrics in respect of the ground purchase) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Andyben said: That the problem with Socialists, Wenzdi Fans, eventually you run out of other people's money - Lady Thatcher. True be many saying we should be taxing Non Doms like Chansiri more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Aye. HMRC "Mr Chansiri, please can we have details of your UK income....err Capital Gains....err losses" DC "now you're talking...." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said: True be many saying we should be taxing Non Doms like Chansiri more Non Res tho innit.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Andyben said: Nil is the answer (outside the accounting theatrics in respect of the ground purchase) I still think he needs to put real money in though, even if it's via S3 Limited Working blind of course, see if we can decipher it when the next accounts are filed for both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 I may be wrong but I'm sure I heard we were running OK, slight 'profit' with no DC cash needed but may have changed this last season with additional playing staff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 DC: We have on matchdays 400, 500 staff working. We have a big stadium. We had a concert here last week and my people told me the cost of a pint was X amount - but they were happy to pay. For tickets I understand many fans cannot pay these prices. There is instalment options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Just now, Andyben said: Non Res tho innit.... Well I presume he claims that so yep Non Dom isn't relevant. I was being more generic about foreign owners not DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Don't think many if any actually live in UK. I mean, if you could afford to own Liverpool, you'd live somewhere as far away as possible 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Andyben said: I may be wrong but I'm sure I heard we were running OK, slight 'profit' with no DC cash needed but may have changed this last season with additional playing staff We haven't seen the accounts for the first year in League 1 so can't comment until we see them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Just now, Andyben said: Don't think many if any actually live in UK. I mean, if you could afford to own Liverpool, you'd live somewhere as far away as possible True - but you have said in the past during covid eg, issues were arising on transferring funds to the UK etc with exchange controls I think the point is DC does not have a bottomless pit, but even if he did then FFP kicks in anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 @YesWeCrann Dejphon Chansiri says that if 30,000 commit to buy season tickets this season then he’ll make all of them £400… And those that have already paid over £400 will get a refund for the amount they’ve paid over £400. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said: @YesWeCrann Dejphon Chansiri says that if 30,000 commit to buy season tickets this season then he’ll make all of them £400… And those that have already paid over £400 will get a refund for the amount they’ve paid over £400. Beautiful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said: True - but you have said in the past during covid eg, issues were arising on transferring funds to the UK etc with exchange controls I think the point is DC does not have a bottomless pit, but even if he did then FFP kicks in anyway Thai exchange controls, support weak Bhat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 That would be £12m but best give the VAT authorities 2m - net 10m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 But it's hypothetical given the discounts for kids, students and seniors Be interesting what The average revenue is The number of season ticket holders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 DC on shirt costs: You may say it's a lot to jump to £65. Actually it should be higher because of our expenses. It should be higher. The price went down when we changed to Macron. Why did I do that? I had a responsibility because we were relegated. I took a loss to show my responsibility. (As Mourinho said.. If I speak, I will get into trouble. 🤣) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winco Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Sounds like GCSE maths skills in the room! there’s some fucking morons in our fanbase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Nail. Head. @Winco I mean, how can anyone moan about season tickets when it's exactly the same every fucking year. Clueless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 'It should be higher'. Gee, thanks for making it ONLY £65. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 On recruitment: DC: "Amadeu (Paixao) is my personal advisor. He's always with me. I'll explain again and I hope it's the last time." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winco Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Andyben said: Nail. Head. @Winco I mean, how can anyone moan about season tickets when it's exactly the same every fucking year. Clueless. And lob it on interest free finance, or by a membership and go when you want or even more pay on gate if yer skint one week. and just don’t buy a fucking shirt! Fuck me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 DC on Downes leaving.. And New coach working with the shortlist we already have of players We have the list already. David left here because of personal reasons, not about the job. Otherwise why go Blackpool? They will come because of the club. They will know how I support the coach. You don't need to worry. We always respect the coach so it's not about the lists. Every coach before I recruit will know everything about us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 15 minutes ago, Winco said: Sounds like GCSE maths skills in the room! there’s some fucking morons in our fanbase. Just dipped into the Stalk thread. My advice is don't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 15 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said: 'It should be higher'. Gee, thanks for making it ONLY £65. The actual question to ask is what is the actual profit margin on each shirt sale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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