HoylandOwl Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Jack Grimmer should have been sent off. The ref admitted his balls up. Retrospective action, against the player or ref? Course there won’t be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl71 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 League one refs eh…🙄..clueless as Kwasi Kwarteng Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 That's bollards, that is. I'm not bothered about the ref. The player should simply get a one match ban. Nothing so simple now that the ref's said what he's said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said: That's bollards, that is. I'm not bothered about the ref. The player should simply get a one match ban. Nothing so simple now that the ref's said what he's said. We got away with the same thing a few year back didn't we Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, Reesh said: We got away with the same thing a few year back didn't we Yep. Helan. Doesn't make it right though: now or then. The look on Antonio's face though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Owling_Wolf said: Yep. Helan. Doesn't make it right though: now or then. The look on Antonio's face though. Unfortunately the FA don't step in with bookings do they Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 17 minutes ago, Reesh said: Unfortunately the FA don't step in with bookings do they Not if you mean a yellow should have been a red for for the same one foul, like they can if it's been missed completely, but surely they can correct a case of mistaken identity. They can and do so if it's realised as such during the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M42Owl Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Grimmer can’t be given a ban as that would be unreasonable on him. It’s not his fault that the ref was crap. The first incident is what has caused the problem: two quick fire fouls both, in most people’s opinion, merited a yellow card. So justice appeared to be done when the ref flashed a yellow at Grimmer, and then at Mawson too. But there was a bit of a delay between the two: words said to some players, but we don’t know what. I’m guessing, with the benefit of hindsight, that he told the players that he’d just booked the wrong player when actually he’d booked the right player (assuming that he didn’t think the first foul was bootable). Did Grimmer think he’d been booked or not? There was no VAR like cancelling signal from the ref, but the message somehow got to the scoreboard operate as the yellow next his name disappeared. So Grimmer commits another bad foul and get booked. Would he have committed that foul if he knew that it could mean a sending off? Possibly, but possibly not, and he can’t be banned for something that might not have happened had the ref done his job properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheat Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Seem to remember than when it happened to us that the yellow card was re-assigned to Helan and he was given a one match ban. The game was in the F.A.Cup that Man City weren’t going to let him play in anyway. So, we did ‘get away with it’ but through odd circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 1 minute ago, cheat said: Seem to remember than when it happened to us that the yellow card was re-assigned to Helan and he was given a one match ban. The game was in the F.A.Cup that Man City weren’t going to let him play in anyway. So, we did ‘get away with it’ but through odd circumstances. You remember incorrectly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheat Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Reesh said: You remember incorrectly You sure? I thought I remembered us all discussing it on here. Also pretty sure that mistaken identity is the only way a yellow can be rescinded and that it also worked the other way round. Edited October 1, 2022 by cheat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Just now, cheat said: You sure? I thought I remembered us all discussing it on here. Also pretty sure that mistaken identity is the only way a yellow can be rescinded and that it also worked the other way round. Helan had joined us permanently by the time it all occurred and the game was in November 14, we played City in the January after and Helan played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheat Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Reesh said: Helan had joined us permanently by the time it all occurred and the game was in November 14, we played City in the January after and Helan played. Yep - that seems fairly conclusive. Wonder what I was thinking of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Nope I am wrong. You are correct was 2012/13 season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheat Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 21 minutes ago, Reesh said: Nope I am wrong. You are correct was 2012/13 season Just looked, it was a game at the end of December, so my F.A. Cup memory does fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, cheat said: Just looked, it was a game at the end of December, so my F.A. Cup memory does fit. Aye I read it as he wasn't allowed to play against City in the cup. I realised my error when I remembered Antonio got the other yellow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 50 minutes ago, Reesh said: Aye I read it as he wasn't allowed to play against City in the cup. I realised my error when I remembered Antonio got the other yellow Which I posted last night. (Antonio.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 2 hours ago, M42Owl said: Grimmer can’t be given a ban as that would be unreasonable on him. It’s not his fault that the ref was crap. The first incident is what has caused the problem: two quick fire fouls both, in most people’s opinion, merited a yellow card. So justice appeared to be done when the ref flashed a yellow at Grimmer, and then at Mawson too. But there was a bit of a delay between the two: words said to some players, but we don’t know what. I’m guessing, with the benefit of hindsight, that he told the players that he’d just booked the wrong player when actually he’d booked the right player (assuming that he didn’t think the first foul was bootable). Did Grimmer think he’d been booked or not? There was no VAR like cancelling signal from the ref, but the message somehow got to the scoreboard operate as the yellow next his name disappeared. So Grimmer commits another bad foul and get booked. Would he have committed that foul if he knew that it could mean a sending off? Possibly, but possibly not, and he can’t be banned for something that might not have happened had the ref done his job properly. I don't agree, pal. Whilst of course football isn't real life, that's like saying that if the police / DPP arrest and charge the wrong person, once that becomes obvious they aren't allowed to charge the actual perpetrator 'cos it's not fair on him! And that it's not his fault they screwed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrySpeakup Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Both players were booked for two very cynical fouls Grimmer could have and in my opinion should have got a straight red for the second assault - he knew exactly the risk he was taking wether he thought he was on a yellow or not 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank_Owl2,0 Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 So basically, we had an atrocious ref v Ipswich and incompetent one v Wycombe. I dont think the Vale supporters were too happy with the ref yesterday either. I thought he was mediocre for the league but not biased either way, which is the best we can hope for really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyn_owl Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 We listened to their P and G, they were saying the same things about the ref that we said about the Ipswich ref. In fact it was like listening to a recording. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share Posted October 3, 2022 I don’t think he was horrendous on Saturday. But he was consistent in that he made errors both ways! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share Posted October 3, 2022 Yeah. There’s much salt being spilled by their lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M42Owl Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Did the ref get anything significant wrong? I can’t remember any contentious decisions. There was Wilks being a prat, for which he could have been booked, and their number 3 could’ve had a second yellow (their manager seemed to agree as he was subbed minutes later). Nothing much there for either set of fans to get agitated about. Thinking about it now, there were two incidents that I missed: Paterson’s booking. What went off there? With their player on the floor, I did think Pato was going to be sent off for a mo. A kerfuffle at the opposite end late on. Cross from a free kick over hit and ball goes out for goal kick. Then it kicks off. What did I miss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share Posted October 4, 2022 13 hours ago, M42Owl said: Did the ref get anything significant wrong? I can’t remember any contentious decisions. There was Wilks being a prat, for which he could have been booked, and their number 3 could’ve had a second yellow (their manager seemed to agree as he was subbed minutes later). Nothing much there for either set of fans to get agitated about. Thinking about it now, there were two incidents that I missed: Paterson’s booking. What went off there? With their player on the floor, I did think Pato was going to be sent off for a mo. A kerfuffle at the opposite end late on. Cross from a free kick over hit and ball goes out for goal kick. Then it kicks off. What did I miss? Re Pato’s booking, they got tangled together and there was no foul at all. Unless you call ‘simulation’ an offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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