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Hirstys 12th Pint · September 10, 2023

Momentarily thought about coming in from the garden then thought twice.

Did not even bother with the highlights.

Gamblor · September 10, 2023

1 hour ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said:

Did not even bother with the highlights.

Having watched the game, I’m not sure there were any.

We have Foden, Bellingham, Saka and Kane. Those four start for pretty much every club out there and need to start every game for England, with the first two being as central as possible. They also all (now) play for clubs who play against all out defence regularly, which England did yesterday. Bellingham being pushed out to the wing to accommodate Henderson is unbelievable, as was bringing Bellingham off. He’s been Real’s best player this season and deserves better.

Andyben · September 10, 2023

I wouldn't have played Kane yesterday, never mind Henderson.

Foden, Rashford and Grealish for Henderson Maddison and Kane respectively

Edited September 10, 2023 by Andyben

HoylandOwl · September 10, 2023

3 hours ago, Otto_Man said:

Herman Maguire getting some hammer for apparently marking one of his team mates when Ukraine scored. Not seen it mind

Tbh,

Rice was culpable for blame, he let Zinchenko go behind him. But no, those more focussed on blaming Maguire for everything decided that it was his fault.

Maguire wasn’t bad yesterday. He was better than Guehi.

Andyben · September 10, 2023

Maguire s England's best centre half.

Hirstys 12th Pint · September 10, 2023

I don't gave a problem with Maguire at Centre Half. We are hardly blessed at the moment and I would probably pick him.

Henderson on the other hand.

Andyben · September 10, 2023

Maguire got really exposed at man u. Too much space in frint of him when defending, push up and exposed for pace,sit back and get slagged.

If Ten Bob is playing Amrabat and Casemiro in front of him it should help, as may Onana playing 20yds higher than De Gea

His strength is 18yd line defending and bringing ball out to play forward, not across the back.

KrolMong · September 10, 2023

Maguire has never let England down, and I think he’s an international defender, but he’s not going to be a regular in any top 6 side. Any team that press high, and leave people one on one, he gets destroyed. And any team that keeps possession, it means he’s got to play on the halfway line, and he struggles.

@Andyben is right, he’s very very good at defending the 18 yard line. But the issue that England have is that he won’t come out, which brings his midfield players back in. Stones is FAR more adept at that type of play, and Lewis Dunk does it at Brighton.

Maguire needs to leave, a lot of the players don’t trust him with the ball and he’s behind 3 others, in what is a pretty poor Man Utd side.

Andyben · September 10, 2023

For the second part, @KrolMong, that's lies at Southgate feet.

With Rice in his role he can drop to cover HM if he goes forward and quite easily rotate with Stones fr longer periods (HM doesn't have enough to move up to a 6).

England have a forward 5 that can shift positions laterally and at times rotate vertically and really break up oppponests lines and defensive structures...IF Kane is replaced by Maddison, Grealish in a false 9, and Foden and Bellingham play as 10s (either of whom can fill the false 9 or play a very advanced central 10) with Rashford and Sakha as the wide strikers.

Its crazy the options to change and mix it up during matches with those five up front

But would you drop Kane?

Edited September 10, 2023 by Andyben

Owling_Wolf · September 10, 2023

8 hours ago, Andyben said:

I wouldn't have played Kane yesterday, never mind Henderson.

Foden, Rashford and Grealish for Henderson Maddison and Kane respectively

Thought I read Grealish was one of two that dropped out of the squad.

mkowlthesexynewversion · September 11, 2023

A sad indictment of international football, but i had no more than a passing check of the scores, including the England game over the weekend. About as much interest as I had in the rugby World Cup

Beaconowl · September 11, 2023

10 hours ago, Owling_Wolf said:

Thought I read Grealish was one of two that dropped out of the squad.

He had, injured at the start of last week I believe

owl71 · September 16, 2023

On 10/09/2023 at 15:43, HoylandOwl said:

Tbh,

Rice was culpable for blame, he let Zinchenko go behind him. But no, those more focussed on blaming Maguire for everything decided that it was his fault.

Maguire wasn’t bad yesterday. He was better than Guehi.

I think Rice is massively overrated. West Ham are doing better since he left.

Reesh · October 6, 2023

More baffling selections by Dull Gareth

Henderson definitely has some blackmail going off

Beaconowl · October 6, 2023

6 hours ago, Reesh said:

More baffling selections by Dull Gareth

Henderson definitely has some blackmail going off

I despair 😩

KrolMong · October 6, 2023

There’s players on that list who shouldn’t be close.

Maguire, Henderson and Philips. Trent is now not a regular. Ward Prowse has not got in and he should. Pleased to see Tomori in there.

Tylluan · October 6, 2023

31 minutes ago, KrolMong said:

Ward Prowse has not got in and he should

Southgate when asked about Ward Prowse acknowledged he was doing well but couldn't find a space for him due to Rice Henderson and Phillips doing so well in the last squad camp.

Then two minutes later said that he didn't pick players on name, he picked them on form. Phillips must have had a hell of a game in that 20 minute cameo in City's loss to Wolves.

Andyben · October 7, 2023

He's a fucking fraud.

HoylandOwl · October 7, 2023

Phillips and Henderson in that squad shows how out of touch Gareth is now, and so far from what he was when he came in.

He turfed out some of the old guard, was a breath of fresh air. And he's slipped into the bad habits of so many previous managers of our national side.

Andyben · October 13, 2023

Fuck the FA

M42Owl · October 13, 2023

Put in a dire performance against Italy on Tuesday and we most likely will be level on points with both Ukraine and Italy.

Hopefully, Henderson and Phillips won’t get a look in.

Owling_Wolf · October 13, 2023

41 minutes ago, M42Owl said:

Put in a dire performance against Italy on Tuesday and we most likely will be level on points with both Ukraine and Italy.

Hopefully, Henderson and Phillips won’t get a look in.

You mean when they're both playing?

Gamblor · October 13, 2023

4 hours ago, M42Owl said:

Put in a dire performance against Italy on Tuesday and we most likely will be level on points with both Ukraine and Italy.

That’s technically true, but we’d have a game in hand over Ukraine, whose remaining game would be against Italy, whilst we’re playing North Macedonia and Malta. I’m no Southgate fan, but we’ve all but qualified.

Owling_Wolf · October 13, 2023

1 hour ago, Gamblor said:

That’s technically true, but we’d have a game in hand over Ukraine, whose remaining game would be against Italy, whilst we’re playing North Macedonia and Malta. I’m no Southgate fan, but we’ve all but qualified.

Are you sure we're allowed to be positive? I've not read the small print.

M42Owl · October 13, 2023

2 hours ago, Gamblor said:

That’s technically true, but we’d have a game in hand over Ukraine, whose remaining game would be against Italy, whilst we’re playing North Macedonia and Malta. I’m no Southgate fan, but we’ve all but qualified.

Yes, I know.
But a current big lead and “as good as qualified” could be “ahead of third only on GD” in a few days.

And yes, we should pick up the necessary points against N Macedonia and/or Malta, but it’s England. They’re almost as good as Wednesday for cocking it up.

Owling_Wolf · October 13, 2023

8 minutes ago, M42Owl said:

Yes, I know.
But a current big lead and “as good as qualified” could be “ahead of third only on GD” in a few days.

And yes, we should pick up the necessary points against N Macedonia and/or Malta, but it’s England. They’re almost as good as Wednesday for cocking it up.

Tell me about it. I don't remember the details but didn't we fail to qualify for what's now the Euros whilst World Champions? (Mind you, I think only eight nations qualified back then.)

Otto_Man · October 13, 2023

27 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said:

Tell me about it. I don't remember the details but didn't we fail to qualify for what's now the Euros whilst World Champions? (Mind you, I think only eight nations qualified back then.)

Close, we finished 3rd (only 4 teams qualified in those days)

Reesh · October 13, 2023

Fuck off Southgate ya posh *****.

Owling_Wolf · October 13, 2023

1 hour ago, Otto_Man said:

Close, we finished 3rd (only 4 teams qualified in those days)

Four? 😮

Owling_Wolf · October 13, 2023

13 minutes ago, Reesh said:

Fuck off Southgate ya posh *****.

I don't remember him playing for Peterborough!

Owling_Wolf · October 13, 2023

8 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said:

Four? 😮

I've just looked at Wiki, Otto: stunned! I thought I remembered that, though as a 14 year old I had more interesting things taking priority. Nothing I've just read fits anything I would have bet money on ten minutes ago!

owl71 · October 13, 2023

Poor this so far. An Aussie team who’s best players are about Championship standard holding their own.

Andyben · October 13, 2023

Against the worst England selection in living memory.

Hope they get beat

Owling_Wolf · October 13, 2023

6 minutes ago, Andyben said:

Against the worst England selection in living memory.

Hope they get beat

I acknowledge that he's giving various candidates a look but the fact they're all chucked in together invalidates it. It needs to be one or perhaps two tyros put in with the established players in order to a) judge them properly and b) give them a chance.

owl71 · October 13, 2023

Still on paper this England team should still easily dispatch this opposition. It’s a perfect illustration of the old adage that football isn’t played on paper. You need to function as a unit, however technically and/or athletically inferior the opposition may be man for man.

Andyben · October 13, 2023

I was past caring about England along time ago, while he's in charge anyway.

The FA this week has finished it

Beaconowl · October 13, 2023

Henderson! Just why is he anywhere near this team?

England apparently havent had a shot on target in this first half, WTAF

Owling_Wolf · October 13, 2023

This isn't a game, it's an audition. Bloody awful.

Was surprised when Watkins & Grealish embraced after the goal. Jack looked 2 or 3" taller.

KrolMong · October 14, 2023

We don’t need to be experimenting with players like Jordan Henderson. No issues with Tomori and Dunk getting a go, although both were poor. Colwill was ok but long term he’s a centre half.

I’m not remotely a fan of Conor Gallagher.

If there was a positive it was probably TAA, as anything good came from him. But he’s not playing at club level, neither is Grealish at the minute. Maddison deserves his spot, and did ok.

Was a poor performance and did show the gap between the top boys and the rest.

Walker, Stones, Shaw, Rice, Bellingham, Foden, Saka, Kane - they are a long way clear of the back ups. A 100% fit Grealish, an in form Rashford (he’s a mile off) and a playing Maguire also improve things. Trippier is close too but at right back.

Beaconowl · November 9, 2023

And Henderson makes it again 😣

Hirstys 12th Pint · November 10, 2023

Sick of this perpetual circle in the media every International Break.

Why are Maguire, Henderson, Phillips in. Why is Sterling not in. Switches me off more every game.

Saying that I am on lads mini break in Tenerife next week when we play Malta so might watch 10 minutes.

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