Hirstys 12th Pint Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Momentarily thought about coming in from the garden then thought twice. Did not even bother with the highlights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamblor Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said: Did not even bother with the highlights. Having watched the game, I’m not sure there were any. We have Foden, Bellingham, Saka and Kane. Those four start for pretty much every club out there and need to start every game for England, with the first two being as central as possible. They also all (now) play for clubs who play against all out defence regularly, which England did yesterday. Bellingham being pushed out to the wing to accommodate Henderson is unbelievable, as was bringing Bellingham off. He’s been Real’s best player this season and deserves better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) I wouldn't have played Kane yesterday, never mind Henderson. Foden, Rashford and Grealish for Henderson Maddison and Kane respectively Edited September 10, 2023 by Andyben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 3 hours ago, Otto_Man said: Herman Maguire getting some hammer for apparently marking one of his team mates when Ukraine scored. Not seen it mind Tbh, Rice was culpable for blame, he let Zinchenko go behind him. But no, those more focussed on blaming Maguire for everything decided that it was his fault. Maguire wasn’t bad yesterday. He was better than Guehi. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Maguire s England's best centre half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 I don't gave a problem with Maguire at Centre Half. We are hardly blessed at the moment and I would probably pick him. Henderson on the other hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Maguire got really exposed at man u. Too much space in frint of him when defending, push up and exposed for pace,sit back and get slagged. If Ten Bob is playing Amrabat and Casemiro in front of him it should help, as may Onana playing 20yds higher than De Gea His strength is 18yd line defending and bringing ball out to play forward, not across the back. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrolMong Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Maguire has never let England down, and I think he’s an international defender, but he’s not going to be a regular in any top 6 side. Any team that press high, and leave people one on one, he gets destroyed. And any team that keeps possession, it means he’s got to play on the halfway line, and he struggles. @Andyben is right, he’s very very good at defending the 18 yard line. But the issue that England have is that he won’t come out, which brings his midfield players back in. Stones is FAR more adept at that type of play, and Lewis Dunk does it at Brighton. Maguire needs to leave, a lot of the players don’t trust him with the ball and he’s behind 3 others, in what is a pretty poor Man Utd side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) For the second part, @KrolMong, that's lies at Southgate feet. With Rice in his role he can drop to cover HM if he goes forward and quite easily rotate with Stones fr longer periods (HM doesn't have enough to move up to a 6). England have a forward 5 that can shift positions laterally and at times rotate vertically and really break up oppponests lines and defensive structures...IF Kane is replaced by Maddison, Grealish in a false 9, and Foden and Bellingham play as 10s (either of whom can fill the false 9 or play a very advanced central 10) with Rashford and Sakha as the wide strikers. Its crazy the options to change and mix it up during matches with those five up front But would you drop Kane? Edited September 10, 2023 by Andyben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 8 hours ago, Andyben said: I wouldn't have played Kane yesterday, never mind Henderson. Foden, Rashford and Grealish for Henderson Maddison and Kane respectively Thought I read Grealish was one of two that dropped out of the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 A sad indictment of international football, but i had no more than a passing check of the scores, including the England game over the weekend. About as much interest as I had in the rugby World Cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted September 11, 2023 Author Share Posted September 11, 2023 10 hours ago, Owling_Wolf said: Thought I read Grealish was one of two that dropped out of the squad. He had, injured at the start of last week I believe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl71 Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 10/09/2023 at 15:43, HoylandOwl said: Tbh, Rice was culpable for blame, he let Zinchenko go behind him. But no, those more focussed on blaming Maguire for everything decided that it was his fault. Maguire wasn’t bad yesterday. He was better than Guehi. I think Rice is massively overrated. West Ham are doing better since he left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 More baffling selections by Dull Gareth Henderson definitely has some blackmail going off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted October 6, 2023 Author Share Posted October 6, 2023 6 hours ago, Reesh said: More baffling selections by Dull Gareth Henderson definitely has some blackmail going off I despair 😩 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrolMong Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 There’s players on that list who shouldn’t be close. Maguire, Henderson and Philips. Trent is now not a regular. Ward Prowse has not got in and he should. Pleased to see Tomori in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 31 minutes ago, KrolMong said: Ward Prowse has not got in and he should Southgate when asked about Ward Prowse acknowledged he was doing well but couldn't find a space for him due to Rice Henderson and Phillips doing so well in the last squad camp. Then two minutes later said that he didn't pick players on name, he picked them on form. Phillips must have had a hell of a game in that 20 minute cameo in City's loss to Wolves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 He's a fucking fraud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Phillips and Henderson in that squad shows how out of touch Gareth is now, and so far from what he was when he came in. He turfed out some of the old guard, was a breath of fresh air. And he's slipped into the bad habits of so many previous managers of our national side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Fuck the FA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M42Owl Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Put in a dire performance against Italy on Tuesday and we most likely will be level on points with both Ukraine and Italy. Hopefully, Henderson and Phillips won’t get a look in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 41 minutes ago, M42Owl said: Put in a dire performance against Italy on Tuesday and we most likely will be level on points with both Ukraine and Italy. Hopefully, Henderson and Phillips won’t get a look in. You mean when they're both playing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamblor Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 4 hours ago, M42Owl said: Put in a dire performance against Italy on Tuesday and we most likely will be level on points with both Ukraine and Italy. That’s technically true, but we’d have a game in hand over Ukraine, whose remaining game would be against Italy, whilst we’re playing North Macedonia and Malta. I’m no Southgate fan, but we’ve all but qualified. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Gamblor said: That’s technically true, but we’d have a game in hand over Ukraine, whose remaining game would be against Italy, whilst we’re playing North Macedonia and Malta. I’m no Southgate fan, but we’ve all but qualified. Are you sure we're allowed to be positive? I've not read the small print. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M42Owl Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Gamblor said: That’s technically true, but we’d have a game in hand over Ukraine, whose remaining game would be against Italy, whilst we’re playing North Macedonia and Malta. I’m no Southgate fan, but we’ve all but qualified. Yes, I know. But a current big lead and “as good as qualified” could be “ahead of third only on GD” in a few days. And yes, we should pick up the necessary points against N Macedonia and/or Malta, but it’s England. They’re almost as good as Wednesday for cocking it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, M42Owl said: Yes, I know. But a current big lead and “as good as qualified” could be “ahead of third only on GD” in a few days. And yes, we should pick up the necessary points against N Macedonia and/or Malta, but it’s England. They’re almost as good as Wednesday for cocking it up. Tell me about it. I don't remember the details but didn't we fail to qualify for what's now the Euros whilst World Champions? (Mind you, I think only eight nations qualified back then.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 27 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said: Tell me about it. I don't remember the details but didn't we fail to qualify for what's now the Euros whilst World Champions? (Mind you, I think only eight nations qualified back then.) Close, we finished 3rd (only 4 teams qualified in those days) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Fuck off Southgate ya posh *****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Otto_Man said: Close, we finished 3rd (only 4 teams qualified in those days) Four? 😮 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 13 minutes ago, Reesh said: Fuck off Southgate ya posh *****. I don't remember him playing for Peterborough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said: Four? 😮 I've just looked at Wiki, Otto: stunned! I thought I remembered that, though as a 14 year old I had more interesting things taking priority. Nothing I've just read fits anything I would have bet money on ten minutes ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl71 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Poor this so far. An Aussie team who’s best players are about Championship standard holding their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Against the worst England selection in living memory. Hope they get beat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, Andyben said: Against the worst England selection in living memory. Hope they get beat I acknowledge that he's giving various candidates a look but the fact they're all chucked in together invalidates it. It needs to be one or perhaps two tyros put in with the established players in order to a) judge them properly and b) give them a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl71 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Still on paper this England team should still easily dispatch this opposition. It’s a perfect illustration of the old adage that football isn’t played on paper. You need to function as a unit, however technically and/or athletically inferior the opposition may be man for man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 I was past caring about England along time ago, while he's in charge anyway. The FA this week has finished it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted October 13, 2023 Author Share Posted October 13, 2023 Henderson! Just why is he anywhere near this team? England apparently havent had a shot on target in this first half, WTAF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 This isn't a game, it's an audition. Bloody awful. Was surprised when Watkins & Grealish embraced after the goal. Jack looked 2 or 3" taller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrolMong Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 We don’t need to be experimenting with players like Jordan Henderson. No issues with Tomori and Dunk getting a go, although both were poor. Colwill was ok but long term he’s a centre half. I’m not remotely a fan of Conor Gallagher. If there was a positive it was probably TAA, as anything good came from him. But he’s not playing at club level, neither is Grealish at the minute. Maddison deserves his spot, and did ok. Was a poor performance and did show the gap between the top boys and the rest. Walker, Stones, Shaw, Rice, Bellingham, Foden, Saka, Kane - they are a long way clear of the back ups. A 100% fit Grealish, an in form Rashford (he’s a mile off) and a playing Maguire also improve things. Trippier is close too but at right back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted November 9, 2023 Author Share Posted November 9, 2023 And Henderson makes it again 😣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 Sick of this perpetual circle in the media every International Break. Why are Maguire, Henderson, Phillips in. Why is Sterling not in. Switches me off more every game. Saying that I am on lads mini break in Tenerife next week when we play Malta so might watch 10 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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