Tewksbury

15 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

When you say "you" who are you referring to? Presumably the official 1867group on x rather than me individual? 

Either way the above is just another post where you say what other people are thinking and why they have done / dont know what they've done. And once again it's quite clearly garbage. 

Find it slightly odd that you suggest the group were quiet when it appeared we were going down - was it not literally the opposite of that in the main? Tbf for balance discussion and protest has been at various different stages, during different runs of form, so any kind of point or argument around then doesn't really wash. It's an interesting take, as I know some people have criticised the group for only protesting during poor league form (which wasn't true) but your take actually seems to be the opposite. 

When you say about the drum being banged and kicking off again since the weekend; what are you referring to?

On a side note; there was the collective meeting of fans groups this week (including 1867) and it was collectively positive and constructive, with all groups of the same views

These things naturally ebb and flow, usually with results.

My biggest issue is the exaggeration of anything that happens, however minor and the gaslighting.

The 2 biggest reasons for protesters at the minute seem to be his 2 outbursts this season, however they quote your version.

Chansiri saying he won't fund the club because of abuse to his family has become Chansiri has refused to fund the club. No mention of fan abuse or the fact that he paid for Rohl immediately after.

The tax bill. Why don't you pay it? Everyone knows it was rhetorical, the bill was paid the next day and was caused by a cash flow issue, presumably due to the sacking of Munoz and getting Röhl in. But this has become he has run out of money and needs the fans to pay his tax bill.

You are presumably reasonably intelligent blokes, you know these statements are being taken out of context and are actually not that bad. You've released enough dodgy statements this season to know that getting your message across isn't as easy as it looks and English is your native language.

The issue is, many of your followers don't. Your truth is their truth.

As the on field criticisms of this season are gradually becoming irrelevant, the narrative is going back to 3 years ago, but if it was that bad, where were the protests last season or the season before following relegation when things were objectively worse?

The other issue is that when any of these questions ate asked you ignore them completely and go for the low hanging fruit.

If you could address the actual issues of your detractors, then maybe they'd be a bit more civil.

I'm not even banned.

Just not allowed to post.

Apparently there are only 2 like this, so not a bad achievement, but I do take umbrage in that he said it was for posting hateful things.

Just found something lower than a Rotherham Owl.

A Rotherham Owl drinking pints for Rotherham fans paid for by a Rotherham player.

Be even funnier if one won the shirt.

2 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

I still think he should have been allowed to leave. His fall from ‘grace’ if you want to call it that, was a shame. While he’s not a club legend, his contribution to the last few seasons can’t be ignored. 

Have you read the post?

LG and Derby were as much to blame as anyone.

Just now, Andyben said:

If some thick **** from Walkley Worksop or Wakey wants to thing like that let them.

Not cha.ging or affecting my life in any way.

Social media isn't real life.

 

But it is affecting my matchday experience and enjoyment.

There's enough shit going on everywhere else without the miserable fuckers bringing it to what is for many people their only escape.

12 minutes ago, mkowl said:

I sort of agree your sentiments, but I also think it's important that the "facts" they quote are challenged. The one annoyance of being banned from Stalk is not being able to challenge the bollocks you see spouted on there. And that creeps across the fanbase. I know because my lads who do frequent the Facebook sites  etc will often quote it at me.

So no we won't get an answer from them, but we do have to challenge the narrative come what may

This is it.

I was called a "gaslighting c**t" for daring to suggest that Chansiri backed Darren Moore and doesn't generally leave recruitment till the last minute.

Showed him some facts and figures and told him he was being gaslit, just not by me. Asked who he should believe,the official accounts or some random off the Internet.

They have people's heads so messed up they don't know what's going on.

The current thing about Chansiri being broke is one of them that is widely accepted now, with absolutely no evidence.

They've managed to bring back the 'loans and freebies' narrative that was debunked 2 years ago when the accounts came out.

5 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

While it could have been better, if we’re talking literally, For me the only ‘farce’ to use your turn of phrase IMO was holding onto LG, who should have been allowed to leave.

The players we brought in have had a direct impact on our survival chances. Without Ugbo’s goals for example, we’re already relegated.  
So I wouldn’t say January was a farce in general. 

There's a @Tylluan post on LG too.

Rohl kept him on as backup when the McGuire deal fell through after Derby fucked about.

11 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

What was the attempted season ticket boycott? I don't remember seeing that? Obviously I can't have seen or noticed every single comment that goes round but me personally i've never said people shouldn't buy season tickets.

On Nixon; again can't comment on all but I don't need an Alan Nixon story to form my own personal opinions. I'd be utterly shocked if anyone did. My opinions had zero to do with what the papers had or hadn't said.

Maybe not you personally.

There was a campaign on OT and X, where they were trying to get everyone to deny Chansiri money by not renewing season tickets. I honestly can't see how you didn't see this, ot was everywhere. "If you renew, you're killing the club".

People who did renew were apologising on social media.

2 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

Quoted by who? You've literally said about how a news story about Hogan got the group going, fired up etc. That's just utter nonsense; the frustrations of fans, the group etc, have in the main appeared genuine and reasonable and certainly didn't need an Alan Nixon story. 

 

I'll be entirely honest about what I said about the transfer window - I thought it was a farce and that DR got left hung out to dry. DR was also clearly frustrated by the lack of recruitment. I absolutely did not think we got what we needed and didn't think we'd have any chance of staying up (I was wrong - hopefully). I didn't expect cash to be splashed or a mountain of transfers but hoped for more, to at least give us a fighting chance. The fact is that the 3 loan signings have been great - I had zero hope in them tbh, and I based that on their past records. DR is clearly a manager that is able to get the very best out of players and credit to him for that. 

The Nixon rumour absolutely dominated social media at the time and had people wound up massively.

DR wasn't frustrated, he was fucked. He was going round giving presentations to every player while having 2 games a week. The bloke was shattered. He said he was working to the early hours every morning.

Players didn't sign because we were a lost cause and not a good place to showcase their talents.

Not a lack of money.

This was evidenced by Poveda only wanting a loan and interviews with failed signings, like the Arsenal striker we tried to get.

There was money for McGuire, or do you think that was an act to keep the fans quiet?

So evidence says the support was there, with no evidence at all to the contrary, bar 'he looked a bit frustrated'. He did mention frustration that players were waiting on other offers, so he didn't know.

He got players he wanted in all 4 positions he needed. He got Ugbo and Beadle at the very start, which implies that everything was food to go at the start of the window. He presented to Poveda early in the window too, but Poveda waited to see. Pederson worked with Pederson before and was a known quantity.

The needed a midfielder myth.

DR said in an interview in January that he let Byers go because he wanted a 2 man midfield and there was roo much competition, so let Byers go as he had 5 players for 2 spots.

We also hired a recruitment bloke in just ro do the negotiations. You don't do that if you aren't going to negotiate.

So, overall, we had a good window, especially in regard to our league position as nobody wants to sign for a relegation favourite.

29 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

Whilst i didn't agree with a lot of what was posted on this site, i did tbf think it was ok and that the majority of posters were sound but honestly the more you read the more utter tribe like the above you see

The Nixon stuff was the basis of the 'failed window' campaign and the attempted season ticket boycott.

"Only got loans in when he had all the season ticket money to spend, Where's the 30k striker, blah, blah, blah, did it on the cheap again"

Had Nixon not done that, it would have been seen as a reasonable window as he set the expectation of a marquee striker signing which didn't materialise. 

Funny thing is, Nixon was shopping Hogan around for Birmingham because they needed the Hogan money to get Poveda in.

Edit, thought the other one didn't post.

18 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

Whilst i didn't agree with a lot of what was posted on this site, i did tbf think it was ok and that the majority of posters were sound but honestly the more you read the more utter tribe like the above you see

Did this subject not get quoted numerous times in the run up and during the January window as an attack on Chansiri?

It was the basis of the 'failed window' narrative, as everyone was built up to a signature striker signing.

Luckily Chansiri didn't listen and got Ugbo in.

18 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

Whilst i didn't agree with a lot of what was posted on this site, i did tbf think it was ok and that the majority of posters were sound but honestly the more you read the more utter tribe like the above you see

Did this subject not get quoted numerous times in the run up and during the January window as an attack on Chansiri?

It was the basis of the 'failed window' narrative, as everyone was built up to a signature striker signing.

Luckily Chansiri didn't listen and got Ugbo in.

18 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

Whilst i didn't agree with a lot of what was posted on this site, i did tbf think it was ok and that the majority of posters were sound but honestly the more you read the more utter tribe like the above you see

Did this subject not get quoted numerous times in the run up and during the January window as an attack on Chansiri?

It was the basis of the 'failed window' narrative, as everyone was built up to a signature striker signing.

Luckily Chansiri didn't listen and got Ugbo in.

20 minutes ago, Reesh said:

Rumour is they want Will Still from Reims as the next manager but would cost £5m compensation unless they waited til this summer, others are linking them with Röhl

Seeing as that recent financial breakdown video has Steve Bruce's compo at £6.5m, Still will be the cheap option.

Could see that plan changing.

There's been a drastic improvement over the last few weeks.

Just watched the Wednesday Week podcast with the bottom 4 and Ash has spent the entire thing banging on about the chaos in ownership and parroting all the lines, Chansiri refuses to fund the club, can't pay the tax bill, any TV money going to pay debts so maybe can't support Rohl, Rohl leaving like DM because of Chansiri.

This is the issue.

Unless you dig, this is the truth as this is all you hear.

32 minutes ago, Andyben said:

nope, it means the PL becomes a closed shop and we all just wither and die

Too many Championship clubs getting bought.

With it based on league lowest TV earnings, any club with decent gates will be profitable. 

What was the stuff with the red bibs about?

This explains the glut of American funds looking for clubs recently.

If this passes, it will then filter down the leagues, meaning that every professional club becomes a money printing machine.

Also means that there's actually no reason for Chansiri to sell if this is on the horizon as once it kicks in all that sweet, sweet Cat A ticket revenue goes straight into his pocket.

Here's the link to the official club one.

https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2024/april/vote-for-your-202324-owls-player-of-the-year/

Now that they've all backtracked and now think that DM isn't the messiah and they wanted him out all along, are we going to ignore how well Chansiri has done in getting rid of him, and how well he did in buying a team that DM could get promoted with?

9 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

Interest in what? What were you expecting in terms of interest in recent weeks? Genuine question that btw as i'm not following.

Agree that there's plenty of idiots that only see the short term picture and get particularly blind sided by just results. Also plenty that aren't like that too. 

The problem is that most if the idiots believe all the half-truths you've put out and now think that Chansiri's the devil incarnate, who's going to asset strip the club and put us into admin.

Those idiots are your core support.

20 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

Just having a catch up on here after a weeks week.

In the past there was some decent discussion; whilst I didn't agree with a lot of the comments, at least there was largely polite discussion. That seems to have now gone completely.

One thing I think that's plain wrong and unfair (and tbf Nick has called this out) is a number of people associating the little idiot & his Dad with all things protest and all folk that protest / would like the owner to move on. 

How can you not associate it?

He was singing your theme tune.

I do think we'd achieve a lot more if the conversation was a bit more rational, but people's backs are up.

5 minutes ago, BraddersTim said:

The guy on X who does the tactical analysis stuff, did something about how Pol and Musaba rotated into the false 8 position against WBA, amongst other things.He called it "advanced coaching for the Championship". 

I've forgotten the guys name, but his threads are really detailed and interesting to read with plenty of insight.

5 minutes ago, Reesh said:

Rohl seems to agree with you, we need better than Palmer and Bannan if we want to push on!

Rohl said he wants to play a back 4 with 2 6's.

So that means Palmer, Bannan and Marv out. When he's tried it with them, we got spanked.

It may end up being better for the club just to have a clean break, as they'll be bench fodder at best, so avoiding the type of shite surrounding Gregory this season. (why pay him if he's not going to play, we'd have won that if he'd played, etc.)

On another note, 'servant', 'loyal'.

Offer any of them 25% less than another club will give them and see how much they love the club.