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This is what makes it all the more confusing. If we had not just invested in a new coaching team this would be entirely consistent with DC’s previous statement and we would know the writing is on the wall. So did he put ‘additional funds’ in for the new team or not? If not who did? Or was it just like for like with the old team so no extra funds needed? It’s all very odd.

The club has to self report if they miss a payment so it’s not necessarily due to HMRC taking action

But isn’t there a very good argument that they have triggered all this by antagonising the sole source of funding of the club? Everyone has seen how Chansiri reacts to things, this was always a very likely outcome of the protests and plenty of us were saying it. And that’s not the same as backing Chansiri, personally I’m pissed off with him and the protesters, they are both at fault.

Also I think the reason some are talking about January is that no one cares about an embargo until then. Perhaps not realising the potential more serious consequences of all this.

The club only pays two things to HMRC, PAYE/NI and VAT. For it to be VAT due earlier this month it would have been from 31 August quarter. It is entirely possible as that would be linked to the club still using the quarters from the old year end of May. Or it could just be last month’s PAYE. Or it could be old deferred amounts as mk points out. Anyway, this is clearly not a good development. The hope to cling on to is it just a short term thing and clears up over the next couple of weeks.

Wednesday 27 October 1993 Coca Cola Cup 3rd Round Middlesbrough (away) Having seen off Bolton in the second round, Wednesday were dealt another tough tie, this time against second tier Middlesbrough, who were fighting to return to the top flight after being relegated in the Premier League's inaugural season. These were the days before the Riverside Stadium, as the game was hosted at the somewhat more homely Ayresome Park. The Owls were able to welcome back Nigel Worthington to slot straight back in at left back and allow Andy Sinton to move back to his more normal wing spot. This was to prove another tough night, and not just in a footballing sense against a physical Boro outfit. The home side, managed by Lennie Lawrence, were at it from the off and John Hendrie in particular caused the Owls trouble all night. He kept Kevin Pressman busy, with Moore and Mustoe also forcing the Wednesday keeper into good saves. Most of the action occurred in the second half. After seven minutes a neat through ball from former Owls legend Chris Morris put that man Hendrie in to poke the ball past Pressman. Boro continued to make it difficult but Wednesday did have chances. Chris Waddle fired one over before seeing another effort cleared off the line and sub Nigel Jemson also failed to keep a shot down. With 13 minutes to go the game looked like it had gone for Wednesday as Mark Bright was sent off for an innocuous off the ball incident with Derek Whyte. The Boro man was himself booked, and gave away a free kick, but it seemed to be Bright's reaction that got him dismissed. Whyte admitted afterwards that not much happened but unfortunately it was enough to see the Wednesday striker earn a 3 match suspension. Minutes later Des Walker was caught with a high foot from Hendrie and was bleeding profusely, but this was apparently OK in referee Terry Lunt's eyes. But with just two minutes left, Wednesday saved themselves as Waddle hit a superb through pass to Carlton Palmer, who finished emphatically for his second goal in as many games. No extra time or penalties here, it was to be a replay at Hillsborough in a couple of weeks' time. Final score Middlesbrough 1-1 Wednesday Middlesbrough : Pears, Morris, Liburd, Mohan, Whyte, Hignett, Mustoe, Fleming, Moore, Hendrie, Wilkinson. Unused subs : Kavanagh, Barron, Collett Wednesday : Pressman, Nilsson, Worthington, Walker (Williams), Pearce, Jones (Jemson), Sinton, Hyde, Palmer, Bright, Waddle. Unused sub : Woods Attendance 14,765

I’ve seen enough struggling teams to know that a lack of confidence can exaggerate a lot of problems and make it look like the players aren’t trying. Understandably we are very fragile and if we concede the first goal the cracks suddenly open up again. The game before the first goal went in was one thing, after it was another.

The general pattern of play and shape does look better. You just can’t do what Valentin and Iorfa did there. Small margins but they are the ones that count.

That’s harsh on us. Can’t do anything about that.

Musaba looks promising until his brain starts to get involved.

Saturday 23 October 1993 FA Carling Premiership Sheffield United (away) And so here it was...the first Sheffield derby of the season. Wednesday had certainly not had the better of the league encounters over the previous two seasons but, with undoubtedly the superior squad and the memories of the semi-final at Wembley still fresh, this season would surely have felt like the time to assert some dominance over our neighbours. However, the Owls did not arrive at this fixture in great shape, with a worrying injury list and still only one win to their name. United had not started much better but were just above Wednesday in the table, a rare occurrence in these days. This was a Blades side still under the management of Dave Bassett, so champagne football it was not, but it was a style that had brought them relative success by staying up for a few seasons, something that they have struggled to do since. Wednesday were able to welcome Roland Nilsson back from illness, but were now without Chris Bart-Williams to add to the others still out - Woods, Worthington, King, Pearson, Sheridan, Hirst, Watson. This meant that Adem Poric, following a promising appearance off the bench against Wimbledon, got his first start on the right of midfield. The game sprang into life with two goals in the first 12 minutes. It was the hosts who got off the mark first. Mitch Ward was fouled outside the box, and it was the same player who got up to swing in a free kick. Kevin Pressman and Andy Pearce managed to make a balls up of it and Glyn Hodges was on hand to slot the ball home. The Blades fans got a bit giddy as usual but only had a few minutes to celebrate as the Owls fashioned an equaliser. Mark Bright did well to hold off three players in the box and his cross was met by Carlton Palmer, who arrowed a header into the net for his first goal of the season. United got on the front foot and, with their usual complete lack of style, forced Wednesday on the back foot. Des Walker had to be quick (well, not that quick) to snuff out two chances for a tramp who was ambling round the pitch with the name 'Cork' on his back. Pressman's main task was to catch the myriad of crosses aimed in the direction of Jostein Flo. Then, in the second half......well, not much happened. It was a very scrappy affair, with the best chance arriving at the head of Flo, who was denied by a good save from Pressman. Chris Waddle slipped when it looked like he would get a run on goal, and Ryan Jones had a decent effort in the last minute, but other than that home keeper Simon Tracey was relatively untroubled. Quite why Tracey was playing ahead of Alan Kelly was always a bit of a mystery to me but there you go. The Owls were definitely the happier of the two teams given their injury problems. Bassett commented afterwards that it was 'the worst derby he had ever been involved in'. For someone who was responsible for more pairs of bleeding eyes than most managers since, that's saying something. Despite being relatively content with the result, Wednesday were still in 19th place with just the one win and another local rival coming up in the next home game..... Final score United 1-1 Wednesday United : Tracey, Bradshaw, Hartfield, Tuttle, Hoyland, Rogers, Falconer, Hodges, Ward (Davison 86), Flo, Cork (Whitehouse 76). Unused sub : Kelly Wednesday : Pressman, Nilsson, Sinton, Pearce, Walker, Poric, Jones, Palmer, Hyde, Waddle, Bright (Jemson 79). Unused subs : Williams, Woods

There’s only one player in the building who knows where the goal is this season. Time to give him a chance.

Thought from the title this was another thread about the Star. But seriously, I have never met him but do recall Beastie as a very prolific poster on previous incarnations of this forum and was a shame he left. Always sad to lose a proper Wednesdayite, hope he fights it as long as he can.

Is he in a supporting Rohl?

😀You spotted the deliberate mistake. At least I spelt it right

Saturday 16 October 1993 FA Carling Premiership Wimbledon (home) After a 10 day international break (yes they were just as annoying back then), the Owls returned to action against Wimbledon. The Dons presented tricky opposition, and were in mid table having lost just two games at this point. Whilst they had moved on a bit from the old Crazy Gang days, they were still frustrating opposition, horrible to watch and play against, with master spoilers Vinnie Jones, John Fashanu and Lawrie Sanchez still in the ranks. They were sprinkled with some quality though, particularly Robbie Earle in midfield. Wednesday were anything but refreshed by the international break as they were forced to make several changes. Chris Woods returned from international duty with a groin problem and had to drop to the bench, meaning Kevin Pressman came in for his Premiership debut. Both Nigel Worthington and Roland Nilsson returned with bugs, and Phil King was also unavailable. John Sheridan was also missing with a thigh injury. All of this meant an unlikely full back pairing of Michael Williams and Andy Sinton, with Ryan Jones coming in for his first start of the season, and Nigel Jemson on the bench following his return from a loan spell at Grimsby. Also on the bench was the Owls’ new international star signing....well not exactly a star signing but certainly an international one. Adem Poric was born in England to Yugoslav and Polish parents but grew up in Australia, and came to Sheffield for £60,000 from St George Budapest (not a Romanian club as their name might suggest). Poric was more a signing for the reserves but was plunged straight into the squad. Despite the visitors’ reputation as being difficult opponents, and the aforementioned injury problems, Wednesday made a bright start and could have been ahead early on when Graham Hyde fired over the bar. The opening goal soon arrived in the 10th minute as Carlton Palmer’s through ball put Mark Bright clear. Bright was hauled down by Brian McAllister but shouts for a penalty proved unnecessary as Chris Waddle was on hand to tap the ball into an empty net. Wednesday continued to be the better team up to half time with Sinton and Jones having chances, with the visitors not offering an awful lot in return. Whatever Trevor Francis said at half time must have been as inspiring as a Xisco Munoz team talk as Wimbledon equalised literally seconds into the second half. Vinnie Jones won a header, Earle miscued and Gary Blissett was on hand to prod home. The second half then became the expected scrappy affair as the visitors’ usual tactics came to the fore, and if anything looked more likely to score as Wednesday struggled to cope with the direct tactics. The appearance of Poric on 79 minutes for his debut gave the Owls impetus, and with just five minutes to go it was the Australian’s run down the right that eventually created the chance for Ryan Jones to score in off the post for his first senior goal. However, there was still time for the Dons to get back into it and, having forced last minute equalisers in the previous two meetings, there was an air of inevitability when it happened again as that man Vinnie Jones headed home. So it was a depressingly predictable ending and another game in which the Owls failed to hold on to the advantage. Just one win from the first 11 meant they remained in 19th place and, with injuries starting to mount, things weren’t looking great. Final score Wednesday 2-2 Wimbledon Wednesday : Pressman, Williams, Sinton, Pearce, Walker, Bart-Williams (Poric 79), Jones, Hyde, Palmer, Waddle, Bright. Unused subs : Jemson, Woods Wimbledon : Segers, Fear, Kimble, McAllister, Fitzgerald, Ardley (Clarke 88), Sanchez, Jones, Earle, Holdsworth, Blissett. Unused subs : Miller, Digweed Attendance 21,752

Yeah fair point but the evidence that was around at the time suggested everyone was trying to get it sorted but DC didn’t do his bit.

Just to be clear on the ground sale point. The points deduction was because we breached the three year loss rule under FFP. The sale of the ground, which was apparently encouraged by the EFL, was an attempt to prevent that breach and would have worked had the paperwork not been fumbled. The accounts were prepared - and signed off by the auditors - with the ground sale in the year we wanted. However the EFL smelt a rat (correctly) and determined (correctly) that it was in the wrong year. Hence we breached FFP and got the deduction. Originally there also claims of dishonesty but this was thrown out and the deduction was reduced. Fundamentally, if Chansiri had got the paperwork sorted it would have worked and we would have stayed up. Of all the mud that is thrown at DC this is the big dollop that sticks I’m afraid.

There is absolutely no comparison with the Birmingham / Rooney situation. We sacked our manager because of results and now have to go and find a new one. They sacked their manager out of choice and could therefore afford to wait until they were ready. Chalk and cheese.

Yeah that’s been going around for the last 24 hours. If so we should go and get Eustace, did a brilliant job in a similar situation last season.

That kind of thinking is bordering on the psychopathic. There is an undercurrent here that I think is very prevalent in society these days, and can be seen across football : that if you’re well off you’re fair game for any sort of abuse.

Delgado and Fletcher both dumped completely. The latter for good hopefully.

Because a lot of our fans on social media are doom merchants and sh*t stirring c*nts - and seem to revel in it - so they get the most engagement when they create articles in that vein.

Wednesday 6 October 1993 Coca Cola Cup 2nd Round 2nd Leg Bolton Wanderers (home) Having survived a bit of a scare in the first leg, the Owls were looking to finish the job at Hillsborough in the second leg of this League Cup tie. In the run-up to the game, there was some bad news as David Hirst had to undergo an operation on his Achilles, a nasty injury that was to keep him out for at least three or four months. This meant that Mark Bright and Chris Bart-Williams were looking like the first choice front two for some time to come, with Gordon Watson currently the only other option. Bolton lined up in the kit that Wednesday wore in the first leg and were still hopeful of a shock. The Owls were unchanged from the weekend defeat to Manchester United, when they had acquitted themselves well in defeat. It was to prove another tough night for the Owls as Bolton still smelt the chance of a shock. Although Wednesday had the better of the early stages, with Bright and Bart-Williams both going close, it was the visitors who had the best early chance when a stray pass from Phil King allowed Alan Thompson to run through but Chris Woods came to the rescue. Thompson then drew a good save from Woods from a free kick as Bolton showed they meant business. Wednesday were able to re-establish themselves before the break though, with Bart-Williams then Bright again going close. The Owls continued their dominance after half time but struggled to make a breakthrough, the best effort being a free kick from John Sheridan that grazed the post. There was then a scare at the other end as David Lee’s shot hit the top of the crossbar after the home defence failed to deal with a long throw. With the tie still in the balance going into the last ten minutes, the deadlock was finally broken. King fed Andy Sinton down the left wing, and from his run and cross Bright arrived between two defenders to nod the ball home. And so Wednesday were through to the third round, but only just. Another international break beckoned, with a visit from Wimbledon to come on the other side. Final score Wednesday 1-0 Bolton (agg 2-1) Wednesday : Woods, Nilsson, King (Pearce 90), Palmer, Walker, Waddle (Watson 86), Sinton, Sheridan, Hyde, Bart-Williams, Bright. Unused sub : Pressman Bolton : Branagan, Brown, Phillips, Kelly (Coyle 65), Seagraves, Stubbs, Lee, McAteer, Thompson, McGinlay, Patterson. Unused subs : Winstanley, Davison Attendance 16,139

Yeah I think he’s just one of many. Same with the journos down here, they just trawl social media and messageboards then rehash it as news, using people like Maguire to give them a flaky opinion that they think carries weight. Just the way it is now.