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A fair defence Ty, I am all for debate on here.

Unfortunately I am not persuaded by your argument when it comes to Warnock. 

22 minutes ago, Neville Facking Bartos said:

Sometimes to progress you have to make or accept decisions you might not agree with or like.

He’s the best person available for the situation we find ourselves in 

He is past it and even if it was tongue in cheek years ago, the fact he said he would love the Wednesday job so he could relegate us means he can fuck off and then fuck off again just to be sure.

Crikey you will be wanting Joe Elliot and Paul Heaton to do a half time gig next 

Always time to re-collect the game v Swansea in 1983 in freezing conditions

Us real men grr on the Kop all huddled together like penguins 

And in Sheffield

I didn't realise we were playing 15 other teams this weekend as well. 

3 hours ago, Chelters said:

See, it’s that kind of ignorant nonsense that does the vocal minority no favours. Anyone who thinks Chansiri sold the ground to himself because he wanted to, or that his advertising at the ground is an ego thing, is just being ignorant. 
 

That sort of shite takes away from the real debate and decreases any chance of any meaningful engagement with DC as it just proves to him that they don’t know what they’re talking about. 
 

And this is the problem. Knowing DC as we do, the louder people shout without actually having any substance and spouting inaccuracies, the worse the situation will be. They are actually damaging their own cause. 

As I have said there are a few things that have become the assumed truth 

1) He sold the stadium to himself - nope it was an intercompany transaction that we see day in day out

2) His wife owns the stadium - well not according to Companies House 

3) He has debt of £19m secured against the stadium - not according to the disclosure in the annual accounts and they have no idea the evidence an auditor would need to have to confirm that 

4) That Chansiri is plastered on the stadium to justify the sponsorship value paid into the company 

The shite spouted on Stalk is generally unchecked, a few honourable exceptions but they get hounded off there when the narrative does not fit 

As you say the other social media channels pick up on it, and this fuels the angst. 

I think there are valid criticisms of how DC runs the show for sure. I do question how you would get meaningful engagement though. 

45 minutes ago, Reesh said:

Yeah that is a fair comparison, billionaire owned dripping in PL Man City

I understand that - but even the most ardent supporters of Chansiri must question some of the ticket prices 

32 minutes ago, Andyben said:

There'll be a few letters dropping in doorsteps Friday....

Not round here the fuckers never turn up after Wednesday 

I think we are deluding ourselves if we think a new coach could make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

This is not being in support of Xisco in the slightest. A new coach could raise the standard above where it is. But I am simply not convinced there is enough in the squad in the first place to massively improve matters.

Tee and KM have identified those weaknesses. Even Vasquez, I agree is reasonable, but on crosses, on corners he looks inadequate. In a League of tight margins that is where you will concede.

It's still early in the season for sure, but we need say 51 points to stay up. 39 games to play so already we need to win 13, draw 13 to achieve that.

I can see us getting the draws, but we simply do not have the goals in us and just as relevant the ability not to leak goals to really question where those wins will arise. 

10 hours ago, JBO said:

For the avoidance of doubt I'm happy for Chansiri to sell up to whoever has the funds to run the club in the manner that matches the fans' expectations 

For the avoidance of doubt I would be happy for Chansiri to continue owning the Club if I could see a semblance of a long term plan rather than the awful scattergun approach we see. Plus if he totally re-thought ticket pricing. It was actually cheaper to go to the Etihad, including the train fare over there, to watch Champions League football

Just now, KrolMong said:

That was fucking abysmal.

Boro’ shit themselves first half and then realised we were awful and tore into us second half.

We ran out of legs, we didn’t look fit, the changes were bad. Not acceptable.

We are an absolute country mile of being Championship quality. We aren’t mobile enough, agressive enough and we don’t carry any sort of goal threat.

I get people want to have a degree of hope but I can't argue with any of your analysis.

I have my doubts about Xisco, but I can't see how another coach would be able to raise the basic standard of the players.

You can't fault their effort, they are committed, they aren't underperforming their ability. Sadly I just think that ability is marginally below the standard elsewhere in the Championship 

Just now, owl71 said:

That performance offers some reason for hope.  The biggest question after Saturdays utter shit show was how on earth are we going to create chances?  That at least got answered tonight. Yes, there are a stack of other question marks about this squad. There were decent balls into the box that didn’t really get attacked.  There were periods of defensive panic.  There were some bloody awful decisions by midfielders.  Yes we know.  But, unlike Saturday, we didn’t look like a side that will be lucky to get 20 points.

I can't see how we are going to win games - it's going to be a constant struggle to score goals. It was a good goal, Byers should have scored, but beyond that ?

At the same time the defence and keeper have a mistake in them

And when midfield does lose control then the opposition create way too many chances. We were fortunate that their final ball was as bad as ours 

But it's more I can't see how much we can up it quality wise. I just think it's a very average group of players

4 minutes ago, Winco said:

Because I thought that  was a better performance than the Ipswich game that’s all you can ask at this minute, you seem super critical when clearly it’s improved a bit.

Valentin had a blinder some of his wing work was brilliant in the first half and really our strikers should be attacking the ball more.

still look a nervous side though.

Tbh it was 5% better - but I personally fail to see where adequate quality is. Far too many weak links all around the pitch 

1 minute ago, Andyben said:

Seen enough to think we may be approaching the corner, if not quite ready to turn it, yet.

I mean apart from Boro were as poor as us and as devoid of confidence too.

Our midfield is piss poor and there is no strike force to cause issues 

There was at least a semblance of a style of play, but its all far too slow and predictable.

And better sides will carve through us far too easily 

The basic footballing skills of some of our players leaves a lot to be desired. How one decent bit of play can be immediately undone by crossing it into the Kop, that clearance at the end when you have time puts us under pressure with a free kick.

One positive was Valentin, not difficult to be MoM amongst that lot.

At least its a point but still not much to suggest that we have the quality to avoid relegation 

I think we have to accept we are just not very good 

Dracula in goal for us. Doesn't like crosses

Some deuce

It is better for sure.

I still have concerns that once the opposition get hold of the ball it's still a bit too easy to pass through the lines in midfield and slide in balls to the attacking players.

We therefore need to keep going forward and not sit back inviting pressure

16 minutes ago, Andyben said:

....I meant asking you if she owned it 

Ah I get it now. I was watching last night's Only Connect and was celebrating getting a right answer

1 minute ago, JBO said:

Doubt we'd exist tbh

No idea, he might have sold us on, he might have pulled funding, covid could have killed football, Sky could have dropped out of football, best mention Brexit

The answer is more given the money spent have we actually progressed in the pyramid 

1 minute ago, Neville Facking Bartos said:

Has he? How do you get to that conclusion then? 

Certainly not on league position

39 minutes ago, Andyben said:

Was it DC'S wife?

Stadium is owned by Sheffield 3, which is owned by Sheffield 5, that Companies House says is owned by DC 

1 minute ago, holmesfield_owl said:

Last throw of the dice?

More like it 

8 minutes ago, JBO said:

He's moved us significantly forward from where we would be right now if he hadn't bought the club

That is an impossible hypothesis to prove. 

Let's say Red Bull had acquired us