nickswfc

4 minutes ago, nickswfc said:

 

It's just clutching

We're at a point now where a segment of fans made their minds up last season re DC, so now things are looking brighter are too stubborn to even consider changing their mind.

So they're now just looking for reasons to back up their argument, simple confirmation bias

Now we've stayed up stuff like not having a DoF, or parts of the stadium looking dated/tired are suddenly major issues...

Incredibly no one was mentioning this stuff at Wembley

I'll add in stuff like - "FFS Chansiri why didn't you buy that land opposite on Penistone Road"

2 hours ago, HoylandOwl said:

The comment about needing dialogue with the manager, the players, etc in that article…

So DR has been away, is back next week IIRC. And there has been talk of things being quite cordial already, so those are underway…. 
re the players? I’m guessing contracts. Well that’s happening now…

yes the latter COULD have happened early, but not being certain what division we were going to be in can always have a bearing on that…

As for dialogue with the fans, well, he’s damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. While communication hasn’t been sparkling, it doesn’t matter what he says anymore. I genuinely think aside from the ‘tell the world he’s selling up’ which some people want, nothing else would suffice anyway for some folks. 

It's just clutching

We're at a point now where a segment of fans made their minds up last season re DC, so now things are looking brighter are too stubborn to even consider changing their mind.

So they're now just looking for reasons to back up their argument, simple confirmation bias

Now we've stayed up stuff like not having a DoF, or parts of the stadium looking dated/tired are suddenly major issues...

Incredibly no one was mentioning this stuff at Wembley

4 hours ago, mkowl said:

At least they are demanding he "runs it properly" rather than demanding he sells - even if it left us up shit creek without a funder.

Perhaps some of the comments on here have given some sort of reality check 

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Hopefully the come down is a nice first step towards them fucking off completely

Although, it could also be an intentional thing to keep themselves relevant, because they know protests won't get any support now - so they now want to try and position themselves as a 'voice' than a protest movement

The 1867 Group told Sheffield Wednesday news: “He [Chansiri] needs to put a proper strategy in place. A proper transfer strategy, a proper business strategy. A proper club policy going forward.

Fuck me, do they hear themselves out loud when they speak.

Reminds me of a manager I once had who said the department needs to focus on "synergies" but didn't have a fucking clue when asked how.

2 hours ago, mkowl said:

I sort of agree your sentiments, but I also think it's important that the "facts" they quote are challenged. The one annoyance of being banned from Stalk is not being able to challenge the bollocks you see spouted on there. And that creeps across the fanbase. I know because my lads who do frequent the Facebook sites  etc will often quote it at me.

So no we won't get an answer from them, but we do have to challenge the narrative come what may

I wish I was banned sometimes as I can't help but get drawn into long heated arguments.

I kinda enjoy it tbf but often look back and think what the hell did that achieve and that I've just wasted a couple hours of my life.

40 minutes ago, Chelters said:

However, the group had done a decent job of getting publicity and engagement, and with that comes a level of responsibility and acceptance that what you say will influence others, particularly those that are suggestible and/or desperate for likes on social media.

Spot on

The lack of accountability and understanding for any knock on impacts or alternative suggestions just demonstrates how childish and naive this group. There's zero thought process of any collateral damage from their actions.

The simple fact they deem it their responsibility to ridicule, bait and humilate our current owner into selling but take zero responsibility in sourcing a buyer.

and now we have some young kid singing their song but its nowt to do with them apparently

The base position of a fan is to support the club, and by association fund the club, to deviate away from that should take some pretty substantial justification. Every gripe they have has been proven to have very little substance. But yet they continue with catastrophising absolutely fucking everything to make Chansiri out as some evil oppressor we must rise against. Which could actually be quite dangerous when you consider the suggestible segment of fans.

All this whilst ignoring all the many positives with our team, manager and finances.

Honestly I've never been more fucked off with a group of fellow Wednesdayites in my life.

Let's just get over the line Saturday and they'll either go away or make fools of themselves over the summer.

I can vouch for @bazapeps as I know him on a personal level, he's actually one of my best mates, we just see this issue completely differently. 

He won't condone what that kid did for the right reasons, nothing to do with the perception after the event in his case, that I can assure. 

I live in hope one day he see's the light and stops associating himself with the children's club mind.

2 hours ago, Chelters said:

If we stay up and Rohl gets decent backing in the summer, the protests simply have to stop, simple as that.

It’s not a binary argument, as I’ve said before Chansiri is not the best owner in the world or the worst, he’s somewhere in between. Sadly the Chansiri out lot just can’t allow an objective debate to risk their stated position. Having to back down on social media would be the worst thing that could happen to them, even worse than relegation.

Geoff if you’re still reading, you used to be a decent poster and yes you were instrumental to this place at one time. Just step back, calm down and look at things rationally, please.

This is what riles me up

We're at the point now anything Chansiri does that isn't an A+ will be villified and used as confirmation bias to try and promote further protests.

For example most agree ST phases aren't ideal, but they'll use every phase from now on as a way to pretend its a new reason for outrage. Using late phase South Stand for their points and ignoring the fact that every single one of us had the chance to buy at £460.

I did at first think they mean well but were just very childish, naive and misguided but now I think it's becoming clear their motive is more about their ego.

The reality is though a large section of their support was based on a big % of fans swayed heavily by the most recent results. Get over the line Saturday and it'll be quite funny watching them make fools of themselves over the summer trying to drum up support.

1 hour ago, Tewksbury said:

One of them posted that they have stuff already planned for preseason.

They're too invested now to stop, they'll all just double down.

Signings will be wrong, letting 'legends' leave due to being cheap, Lep hasn't been rebuilt, rumours about takeovers and Röhl leaving all summer.

Saw one post saying the it was the pressure of the protests that made Chansiri appoint Röhl so they'll be claiming that too.

I really hope not - but as you say they're probably too invested now. The only reason they got any level of traction was because of results.

Get over the line Saturday and let's see them try and do something in the summer, I think it'll be quite funny when they realise how little real support they actually have.

Let's get over the line on Saturday and hopefully this group will fuck off forever

In fairness to OT, most of the posters sided with Chansiri on this one, albeit with some predictable exceptions.

6 hours ago, nickswfc said:

 

Nope, he gets critcised for appointing Xisco and criticised because it's theoretically possible Rohl could leave us one day.

I feel the need to highlight my intended sarcasm in this post

On 23/04/2024 at 17:50, HoylandOwl said:

Dc got DR in. But does he get any credit for that?

Nope, he gets critcised for appointing Xisco and criticised because it's theoretically possible Rohl could leave us one day.

11 hours ago, Tewksbury said:

It's a £25 increase each phase on the Kop, bit more on the others.

Exactly 

Every phase has been a £25/£35 increase, £1 - £1.50 per game

Probably will be for the next one too

The idea this is something to be outraged and offended by is fucking exhausting

The type of bullshit whinging you'd expect from the pigs but not us, sick of it

Not a new reason for outrage imo, minor increase on phase 3.

Multiple and short phases are the valid criticism but seeing the usual shite on twitter and OT to suit the whinging narrative. 

15 minutes ago, Tylluan said:

People will accept anything if it fits their narrative or the one they subscribe to. 

"Rohl is going to walk because of the facilities"

It's gonna be the same crap constantly from now on isn' it, every time a club gets bought or invested in it'll be used as justification for protesting.

9 hours ago, holmesfield_owl said:

It'll be the home match against Norwich I presume, they love sky cameras

Yeah thought the same.

The more I think about this, they've had to crowdfund all their protests so far and people will at some point stop donating if nothing changes. Hopefully Chansiri realises this and is why he's staying quiet.

It might pick up again if we go down - but if we stop up the liklihood is they peaked at the Birmingham game.

Does the FFP three season loss rule reset upon promotion/relegation?

7 minutes ago, Tewksbury said:

Didn't believe it, but I was told that's because I'm deluded. I'll admit I have shit missing upstairs, but I'm not that far gone.

It usually comes just before "We're the next Reading" and "There won't be a club soon"

Sounds like every Owlstalk thread.

I don't know why I put myself through posting on there sometimes, I'm like a moth to the flame.

4 hours ago, holmesfield_owl said:

Sad similar, these defeats are just going to make Rohl better and better, and still one hundred percent believe he'll keep us up 

I agree

We've had bad results under Rohl already and he has always overseen a reaction

We'll stop up

After the Plymouth win, if someone offered me that table after these two games I'd probably have taken it.

6 minutes ago, Jake said:

Im involved in construction, mechanical services in the main, I run a business and meet business owners and customers daily. I’m very much involved with business development in a customer facing role. I too have met many people like DC, in my experience the successful, respected ones delegate, maintain healthy relationships with their customers and communicate well (in the main).

In terms of new ownership, I’d like to see us not stagnate, which I feel we have done. I have no preference where the owner is from. Id like to see a vision, harmony with the supporters and I’d like day to day operations being managed by experienced footballing people. A board I feel would be a good idea, where decisions are made by a number of people as opposed to one man. 
 

I don’t have all the answers, never claimed to. I just personally feel DC has nothing to show for the last 9 years and has spent a hell of a lot of money to potentially end up back in league one. I’m willing to listen to anyone who feels he can turn this around. How?
 

 

Sorry mate but I just read all this as noise with some nice buzz words.

For people to back your cause, you need to be specific and say exactly what you want to see from the current or new owner, and crucially specify how those things are balanced with ticket prices and FFP.

1 hour ago, nickswfc said:

 

Think this is fair

As I said earlier in the thread, my experience and that of up to 10,000 others was...

"oh season tickets are back on sale"

logs on

buys season ticket with card (via PayPal)

gets on with rest of day 

Most of those people couldn't give two fucks about using PayPal or future phases.

To add to this, on the topic of phases I messaged Chansiri on LinkedIn about them, amazingly he's polite and open when not being harrassed and ridiculed.

He basically said whenever season tickets are on sale for a longer period of time people wait until the last minute to buy them, which is why he does phases. The idea is the same as any short term sale - to try and create urgency. 

I'm still not convinced it's an optimal way of selling them or the need for so many phases, but I recognise I'm in no place to kick off cause he has the data and there is obviously some logic behind the decision.

The most important fact is £460 for an adult season ticket is reasonable, whether we have a day or a year to buy one, we've done early bird for a decade, £460 is the only price that matters for comparison.

9 hours ago, Chelters said:

I think we’ve introduced enough doubt on here to suggest that the debit/credit card issue is not clear cut and difficult for the club to communicate potentially.

FWIW i do think there is a valid criticism in the ticket prices. 

But my point remains, if you’re going to stick your head above the parapet you have to be ready to be shot at. And that means being thorough, prepared and basically bulletproof.

The ‘pro-Chansiri’ side (which is actually better described as ‘anti-protests’) are not the ones making claims and handing out flyers, they don’t have to justify their position the same way you do. That’s just the way these things are.

Think this is fair

As I said earlier in the thread, my experience and that of up to 10,000 others was...

"oh season tickets are back on sale"

logs on

buys season ticket with card (via PayPal)

gets on with rest of day 

Most of those people couldn't give two fucks about using PayPal or future phases.