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They have an option. I've seen 2 years mentioned, maybe an American thing, maybe nothing. They tried to get him to sign an extension, but he won't so they're just trying to get what they can for him now.

That cost looks to have been inflated due to a few things. Him being sat in Sheffield. Orlando knowing about them having 22m in the bank. Fuck around factor from a few hours before. An inflated bid just to stop the bidding before time ran out. Whoever gets him, I don't think it will be us or Blackburn, it will be on much lower terms. (There are stories going round about Balckburn going for a pre-contract, and that's probably Orlando's only chance of getting anything like what Blackburn offered, so that could happen)

Stay up and we'll have much better options available to us.

We could go down in last, finish 4th in League One for the next 2 seasons and still have a higher average league position than in the 12 years pre-Chansiri.

No manager was getting anything at the start of the season. Whoever came in was getting sacked as soon as the fixture list came out.

Probably from here:

I can see him and Poveda both signing if we stay up. Remove the immediate threat of relegation, some of the loans and the ending contracts and we'll have the basis of an exciting club to come to for a young player.

Just a quick one. Wednesday are the only team in the bottom 7 to get a win outside the bottom 10, so these 6 pointers will probably decide who goes down. It also shows how important the Huddersfield game could be in the end.

There couldn't be a long term plan after spendageddon. We had numerous issues to deal with that needed sorting first. Stage 1. Old players on big contracts. Points deduction. Unfortunately, getting rid of those contracts led to relegation under the points deduction when half the team downed tools. Stage 2. The the next stage was promotion to rebuild and get back to square one. DM, a young manager who is known for playing 4231/433 attacking football and promoting youth is signed and given the job to rebuild. He's given 27 new players. He was the 16th longest serving manager in the 92 when he left. Every recruit we had was ro fit the formation that DM was signed to play, the one Xisco tried to play and the one that we're playing now. Looks like stage 2 of a long term plan to me. Stage 3. DM leaving when and how he did sort of fucked stage 3, but here we go. 3a. Drop the age. All permanent contracts went to younger players, bar Delgado, but he was seen as one who would lead the change to a new style. 3b. Change the style of play. We're doing that. 3c. Shed old contracts.No extended contracts yet for the end of this season, letting players who don't fit go. 3d. Stay up. Well. That's the fly in the ointment, isn't it. Plymouth and Ipswich did 3a, 3b and part of 3c in League One, so we're doing it now. It was supposed to happen there for us, started that way, bit DM couldn't/wouldn't carry it out while still looking for promotion. Giving up the future for points now. So, what exactly do people want?

Where are we getting this 10m leeway from? The last numbers we have are 2022 at 12.5ish million for the club. We then added a number of expensive additions to this, Smith, Ihiekwe etc. Then at the end of last season, we got rid of all the cheap players and kept the expensive ones. So we have a decent chunk of money there, with promotion rises on top. Then, because of the state we were in when DM left, we had 2 weeks to recruit and were bottom favourites. Every single player we have we will have overpaid for. Every single one. If we gave Gregory, basically a sub last season, the rumoured 12k, what the hell are the rest on? I'd say we are a lot closer than anyone realises.

This is the real reason behind the protests. Everything else is incidental and why the two groups will never understand each other. Some people see themselves as spectators who have little to no bearing on what happens on the pitch. Some see themselves as a vital part of our successes. It's why tv stuff like strictly and BHT are so popular. Because people think that they're helping their favourite win. They're part of the show. That their vote has helped Dave or whoever win the competition. It's why they all do that heart hand thingy, why they all say the fans, blah, blah, blah. The dancing or the show is incidental, it's the voting and fan involvement that drives the popularity these shows. Because it gets people invested and gives them a connection. Psychologists say, the best way to get someone to like you is to be indebted to the or get them to help you. People are tribal by nature. Everyone wants to be part of something bigger than themselves. It can be religion, a nation, a protest movement, a football team. They also want to contribute to this thing in whatever way they can. With football, you can't get on the pitch ro help, so what can you do? You show up, you sing, you cheer, because that's all you can do. But you're helping, the famous 12th man. So when Chansiri says that you don't matter, it breaks this illusion that you're part of the team, the 12th man. They don't want another owner to propel the club into Europe, they just want the owner to put his arm around them, tell them they're loved, they contribute and that they're important. That's it.

All those slating the transfer window should have a listen to what Deeney and Morrison were saying about Poveda signing for us after the game. "Brave move" "What attacker wants to go to a relegation team" etc. Even Rohl on persuading him to come. It's so hard to get players to come to a team at the bottom, it's just not worth the risk of relegation if on permanent, and it's hard to get the performances if on loan.

I made a thing showing the second half of the season for the bottom 10 teams. We're 7 points from 15th with 15 games left. It shows that any one of these teams is catchable, especially the ones who have played a lot of lower teams. W-green, D-orange L-red, with a load of random stats underneath.

This is all under the assumption that the player that Warne was referring to on the last day that the "manager" had put a stop to. On the replies to Warne's original interview there were posts suggesting it was Nahki Wells. This would be more likely as the 'manager' here didn't put a stop to Gregory's deal. Of it was Wells, then Gregory was either a backup option or a cheap punt in addition to. If he was a backup, then they tried ro get him late on the last day after mucking about all the window, or if he was an addition, they weren't going to be offering a lot as they were under spending limits. Either way, the club would have been well within their rights to fuck Derby off for taking the piss.

Thank I said something very like this in the other thread. As Xisco said, "It's easy to be a fan when you're winning, but it's when you're losing that you need them the most"

That was in no way an attack, I just find 85% purchasing in the first week a bit of a stretch, and it's the number that all your assumptions are based. Chansiri said he loses a million a year on earlybird, so that works out at around 8-10k earlybird tickets based off price differences for adult tickets (think it ranged from 7k to 11k on the extremes, with 7k all the biggest difference adult ticket and 11k being the lowest difference child tickets), 14k could be looking closer to 2 million if at one extreme and I don't see him understating his losses. If it was anywhere above 1.5 he would have said so. So that's my working. It's from last summer, so may not be exact, but the rough figures are there. What is it with being called deluded this week? Spent the start of the week being called it elsewhere when I said we'd get more than 12k total attendance next season. That aged well. Also when I said another club had card merchant issues and that Chansiri had called the Star off his own back about the tax issue. As for the reasons, I'd say it's mainly pitch based. It may be the thought of playing Barrow, may be that they're waiting, we may have sold more than last year already, we'll never know. This online Chansiri revolt can be boiled down to a dozen X accounts, a site and a journo. However they are the 10-20 most active at the minute, so it's still not as widespread as it seems. It's easy to answer a twitter poll, change your photo, like and share, sing a song, wave a flyer. But getting people to actually deprive themselves of something is a whole different story. Half the ringleaders will have renewed already. As I said, there are 4 bottom 10 games before the deadline on March 8th, a lot can change in that time.

Chansiri said that he had triggered an automatic extension through promotion, but wanted a pay rise. (The 4x) He refused, they couldn't agree, so he let DM walk away. After an entire summer of social media posts of people who met DM saying he denied it, Carlton saying DM told him that it had nothing to do with money, the DM's Sky interview saying that, only to be followed by the little reported phone interview with the Star where he finally admitted to asking for the 4x pay rise, I'm with Chansiri on this one. Whole it may not be 100% true, it's a lot closer than what DM said.

80-85% seems a bit high. So only 15-20% buy season tickets in later phases or in the summer? There will be plenty of people waiting till the last minute of earlybird, to take advantage of the paypal credit terms, which would take them into July, etc. There are also games against Birmingham, Plymouth, Millwall and Rotherham coming up before the deadline, which will effectively decide what league we're in next season. If it is 85%, it also begs another question. What the fuck are fans complaining about regarding ticket prices? If that number is right, PotG should be even higher than they are. At the end of the day, even if you're bang on, 17k home fans isn't an issue in L1, there will be away fans knocking it up to 20 and as soon as we win a few games there will be a fee more. As for social media, the don't but a season ticket lot are mainly people who didn't have one and wouldn't buy one anyway along with a few who say one thing and do another. People are all for protests until it costs them something. There's also the 'silent majority' thing going on where people just aren't admitting to buying one due to the backlash. It's not dissatisfaction that's driving this, it's outright bullying. I'm more worried about the ones that have been pressured to not buy one, then when it calms down, can't afford one. I hope these scumbags will take responsibility when that happens and help these people. I suppose we'll see anyway in a couple of months.

Because R is next to E and I am afflicted with sausage thumbs and an overly aggressive autocorrect.

It's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy with Chansiri and his statements. His default state is in the background, not saying anything. It's only when it's going wrong or he feels personally attacked that he releases anything. Look at this season. Carlton. If he hadn't said anything, Carlton would have been taken as the whole truth. They would have taken his silence as admitting it. DM, same thing. The threat ro withdraw funding, his family was being abused so he fought back. I completely back him for this, but strangely, the reason for this outburst is never, ever mentioned. Tax bill. It appeared on the RFL website, so we had the ph9ne calk to the Star. If he just said it's a cashfliw issue, it would have been fine, but because he was under attack, he started with the 'you pay it then' stuff, even though it was paid almost immediately after. As ir stands, with the current protest movement, which I do not think is as organic as is said, we're in a race to the bottom.

I did some fag packet maths on this last season when he said he lost a million a year on early birds, and it worked out at about 10k, based on the average adult prices. So the numbers don't seem to be that different. So, with the churn rate, you're suggesting that potentially 4k have left and the other 4k will come from 1k new/returners and 3k normal season ticket holders? Is this coming from anywhere in particular or just hypothetical. Is therecany reason for it to be over 10%

We have proved, that when up for it, we can compete with most teams in the league. It's just whether they are up for it.

Their careers are being artificially extended by SWFC. For the last 2 seasons, the entire team has been based round playing to the strengths of Bannan, Windass and, when he played, Gregory, while covering for their weaknesses. Every other player on the team was a foil for that, so these three looked great. We're seeing now that when trying to fit in a more 'normal', modern style they are ranging from average to outright bad. So, Röhl has tweaked the formation ro include them, from the 4231, to this more 424 formation based on Bannan and Qindass linking up. Take Windass out it fell apart. We had most of the players to play it conventionally without them, but they play. Bannan and Windass have taken as many shots at goal as Gassama, Musaba, Cadamarteri and Smith combined. In a team where the main issue is converting chances, that's an issue. But they play. Neither player has played particularly well, there have been much better performers, but they play. As it stands this club is basically a vehicle for Bannan and Windass to so what they do, with a team built around them. Bannan is the best player. Because the team is designed that way. He gets the ball. Wherever we are, whether appropriate or not, he gets the ball. He's taken 150ish set pieces, with no result. (Vaulks has taken roughly the same, with 3 goal contributions). We have a handful of players playing not for the team, but for themselves. Bannan, Windass, Palmer, Gregory, probably Marv. Watch them play. It's like watching the kids football when you have a group of friends playing. Everything to each other. If it's not possible, begrudgingly to someone else. Usually someone double marked. I'm surprised Gassama and Musaba are still walking after some of the hospital passes those two have had. Pol spent 2 games doing star jumps unmarked on the right wing before getting a pass from Palmer. We are never going ro progress while that lot are still here, but if rumour is to be believed, Bannan and the senior players have too much power, with Chansiri on speed dial. Hopefully he's seen the light and Röhl is here to change that.

He has the cushiest number in football. It gets mocked all the time, but this club needs a proper reset. "But we had a clear out" So why the fuck are half of them still here? Blame the manager's all you want, but I'll die on the hill that the biggest contributor to the Pulis and Xisco failures was that BB and friends weren't part of their long term plans so they mugged them off and got them sacked. Same thing will ( and maybe has) happen to Rohl when they find out his plans for next season. Lose tomorrow, get the kids in and everyone with a contract next season then send the old guard on a 3 month tour of local hospitals and kids charity things. May as well make some fucker happy this season.

If they're English, they'll use the town where they're from or 'local lad' or whatever. Here's one on Richard Wood: https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/too-old-too-slow-cant-pass-doncaster-rovers-captain-and-ex-rotherham-united-sheffield-wednesday-defender-on-how-critics-spur-him-on-4509531 In it he's described as 'the 38 year old', by his former clubs, name and 'Ossett born' It's just to stop saying 'Wood this' and 'Wood that'. (Used this article because it wasn't paywalled)