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Appoint a couple of good people to help run the club and leave them to do it. Back the current coaching team. That will probably take care of most of it for now. I appreciate you will say what are the chances of him doing the first one as he has never managed it so far. Maybe the group should concentrate on that rather than trying to hound him out would be my response.

And another thing…(sorry) Sometimes it’s OK to just say “you know what that”s a good point” or ‘let’s just agree to disagree’. That increases credibility rather than decreasing it. You and Jake have to a certain extent on here so fair play but the discourse elsewhere certainly doesn’t.

I think we’ve introduced enough doubt on here to suggest that the debit/credit card issue is not clear cut and difficult for the club to communicate potentially. FWIW i do think there is a valid criticism in the ticket prices. But my point remains, if you’re going to stick your head above the parapet you have to be ready to be shot at. And that means being thorough, prepared and basically bulletproof. The ‘pro-Chansiri’ side (which is actually better described as ‘anti-protests’) are not the ones making claims and handing out flyers, they don’t have to justify their position the same way you do. That’s just the way these things are.

Baza you’re kind of missing the key point here, which is the same as the debate around credit cards. You are the ones making public statements, those arguing against you on here are not. So whether or not Swansea have higher prices in phase one but not phase two, or whatever, it doesn’t really matter. The point is that the burden of proof is on you guys to back up your arguments, and there seems to be sufficient doubt to suggest that our prices might not be quite as ridiculous as made out. By all means debate on a forum like this but, if you’re not sure, don’t quote it as fact to those who might be more suggestible to further the aims that are not necessarily shared by everyone else. That’s the point.

Yeah you’re probably right, I just jeep renewing it every year without really thinking about it All helps reduce those losses though!

Good news as I will going up for that one

Due to my location I just have to pay game by game when I can go but I buy a membership as well. I don’t find the costs excessive to be honest but they are overall a bit on the high side so I think there is a valid criticism, albeit not as big an issue as it is sometimes made out. But to then criticise the club making losses whilst saying ticket prices are too high is quite frankly bonkers. Goes back to what I keep saying about just having a big list of gripes with no focus.

Saturday 12 March 1994 FA Carling Premiership Southampton (away) Having hit a spell of iffy form, the Owls travelled down to the south coast hoping to kickstart the run-in with a trip to struggling Southampton. It wasn't the worst place for Wednesday to go, having remained unbeaten at The Dell since 1970. Let's be honest, the old Southampton ground wasn't exactly the best ground in the world, but it certainly had a weird charm and atmosphere about it that's missing in a lot of modern football stadiums. This game saw the first time the travelling fans had been housed in a little stand rather than an open terrace that involved looking up at the pitch if you stood near the front. Wednesday's injuries problems continued to bite, resulting in Phil King starting for the first time since early on in the season, continuing in the midfield role that he had filled when coming on as sub in the previous match against Newcastle. The Saints lined up with the dangerous Matt Le Tissier and the equally fearsome - but for different reasons - Iain Dowie. It was the hosts who started brightly with Craig Maskell - already a tormentor of the Owls this season having scored two for Swindon at Hillsborough - forcing a great save from Kevin Pressman with a curling effort. Shortly afterwards, Pressman was called into action again making a flying save from a Le Tisser free kick. Wednesday got themselves into the game a bit more as the half wore on, with Andy Sinton having the best effort from an angled drive saved by Dave Beasant, but the first half ended goalless. Gordon Watson came close to scoring before the Owls took the lead with a great goal midway through the second half. A short corner routine saw Watson's deflected effort saved by Beasant. Andy Pearce got the ball out to Chris Bart-Williams, who brilliantly danced around three Southampton defenders in the box before firing into the bottom corner. It was a superbly taken goal that would have been shown again and again if someone like Ryan Giggs had scored it. The Saints pressed for an equaliser and got Wednesday on the back foot, and in the 77th minute the seemingly inevitable happened as defender Ken Monkou scored with a powerful header. It almost got worse when Nicky Banger forced a save from Pressman in the last minute as the Owls' brittle confidence at the end of games continued to show. It was another frustrating result having taken the lead against a struggling team, and the feeling that the season was drifting away continued, but in isolation it wasn't a disastrous result in a tough game. Final score : Southampton 1-1 Wednesday Southampton : Beasant, Kenna, Benali, Wood (Banger 77), Monkou, Maddison, Charlton, Maskell (Allen 62), Magilton, Le Tissier, Dowie. Unused sub : Andrews Wednesday : Pressman, Nilsson, Coleman, Pearce, Walker, King, Bart-Williams, Sinton, Palmer, Watson, Bright. Unused subs : Poric, Jemson, Key Attendance : 16,391

No but as mentioned earlier you’re throwing far too many reasons in the pot and it damages credibility. I mean if you just focussed on the one true fuck up of the ground sale issue you would come across better (by you I mean the group)

And don’t assume the credit card thing is an issue with the club. It could be the other way round. In the summer the credit card providers pay millions over to football clubs which they then have to collect from the punters. So their problem could actually be worries about Joe Public settling their bills after making the purchase on credit. How would it have gone down if the club had said this? Would they have been accused of ‘blaming fans’? See what I mean about being sure?

I agree it may not have helped but we’re all speculating and I suspect there was no answer that would have shut people up. If you’re going to publicly make noise about this sort of thing you need to be 100%. Ticket prices I agree are an issue but it has to be discussed in the context of the finances of the club. And our attendances do seem to be holding up.

I believe there is an issue at the moment with credit card providers getting spooked by football clubs as they end up footing the bill if things go wrong. I haven’t really done much research on it but I’ve seen it somewhere. But I would certainly want to be sure of my ground on something like that if I was using it as one of the reasons to justify a protest.

Fair dos to Jake and baza for coming on here with their flak jackets on and trying to engage. There’s a comment above about Chansiri not being likely to change. I agree with that, but doesn’t that in itself render the protests pointless? There is a logic gap between wanting a change in ownership and thinking protests are a good idea that I would argue has never been addressed.

To answer this point, which I know was hours ago but I’ve been busy at work, as I pointed out on here at the time one of the early intended protests would have technically been a hate crime and could have dragged the supporters’ name through the mud in the same way the Cov incident did. I appreciate the group did the right thing and pulled it, and have learned from it, but it was a big error.

Going back to the 1867 lot I think they are now damaging what credibility they had by trying to throw too many arguments in the pot, some of which are just nonsensical. Focus on a few key points : Ballsing up the sale of the ground Ticket prices Lack of structure in the club Then they might come across as a bit more objective and considered. But they have disappeared too far down the rabbit hole now and I think most fans have seen through them, even if they agree with some of the sentiment. The key question they should ask themselves is : what could DC do to put things right and stop them protesting? If the only answer is ‘sell the club’ they have zero credibility for me.

I think it’s more a case that he spent the war chest on trying to get us promoted, which then got caught by FFP - even though other clubs get given more by the PL for getting relegated. I think that’s a legitimate frustration. But his overall lack of structure around the running of the club has always been the main issue for me, everything else stems from that imo.

Of course, but I think that’s getting further out of reach for any established Championship club now.

Ironically I think the only reason we would want to get to the PL is to give us the money to be more competitive in the Championship

He’s literally giving a free kick every time a Leeds player falls over. Got no chance if we’re prevented from getting the ball back.

All started because the ref bought a dive down in the corner. Hasn’t let us win the ball since half time.

Why can’t these thick bastards understand that the North stand and ‘fake’ sponsorships are a way of DC putting money into the club that counts as income and thus reduces the losses for FFP. And then they criticise him For the losses!!!!! Yes I’m fucking annoyed about that goal.

I think there’s an element of Icky and Vaulks needing a rest after Tuesday. Let’s face it, that game was more important.

It’s a fiddly area but yes there can be both corporation tax and VAT implications of this sort of ‘fund raising’, I assume they are taking advice though, wouldn’t be smart to do this sort of thing otherwise……. To be fair if they’re spending it all there should be no real issue and they will do very well to get anywhere the VAT registration threshold.

Thought Plymouth looked up for it but we ground it out. We are not even close to being one of the three worst sides in this division, next couple of games might see us fall back a bit but then it’s game on.

I’m still trying to get my head round criticising DC for not splashing the cash, complaining that we are making a loss, saying ticket prices are too high, and moaning about being ‘in debt’. Please make it make sense.