M42Owl

Many footballing memories have faded and gone, but that BDM opener is etched in the memory and is as fresh as if it was yesterday. 
 

Thanks Spider.

RIP.
 

Brum will beat Norwich on final day as they’ll be resting before the play offs.

And it’s more than likely that Hull will be out of it, and will lose at Plymouth.

But Ipswich will want to finish on a high. They’ll beat Huddersfield.

Best scenario for us is to win (obviously) and Huddersfield to beat Brum. We’ll only need a point at Sunderland, and then only if Ipswich let us down.

RIP Bri.

Conceding 6 is always bad. But angry? No.

The two teams above us had easily winnable games whilst we had one we all expected to lose. They got a point between them and we’re no further off safety than we were this morning.

Possible Injury to Poveda aside, overall, its a good set off results.

4 minutes ago, Tewksbury said:

Haven't we been playing first goal winner for a while now? That's been 90% of our games for a couple of years.

14 games since Christmas, both sides scored in only three. The only draw being 0-0.

But the two games immediately prior to Christmas, both come from behind wins (1 win, 1 loss).

We need to keep this one tight. Without coming out all Xisco, we need to frustrate and get them on the break. Ipswich score a lot of late winners / equalisers at home. We need to have something in the tank for the last 10 minutes.

20 hours ago, Tewksbury said:

The idea of the earlybird is to make it cheaper to those who are going whatever happens.

If you're going to wait till the end of the season, or longer to get a better idea of the outcome of the season, yes, you're going to pay a premium.

The fact is, if tickets were all at phase one, which the majority already are, then that's most of the club's income stream gone or they'd have to be priced higher.

Sitting on another stand is choice, not necessity, so the lowest price absolutely is the benchmark when you're campaigning on people being priced out. I can't afford to sit in the boxes, doesn't mean I'm priced out.

PotG prices is another one. It worked out cheaper last season for me with an earlybird even if you only go to 10-11 games. If you're going to less than that, then it goes from being a regular thing to occasional and again commands a premium, as all occasional entertainment does these days.

I agree pretty much with all of this, but the first two questions beg the question: why have we had three phases already?

 I acknowledge the comment mentioned above from Chansiri that long sales windows just sees people buy last minute. I slightly disagree with that as I think quite a few renew on the first day or two to “get it out of the way”.

Whether short window or long, there should be a price for those taking the gamble on what division we’ll be in next season. This ought to be Jan to Mar time. Then there’s those that buy when they know what level we’re at. This should be from when we know what level we’re at next season until say end June. And finally those that always buy last minute, or who’s found the money somehow. On sale from 1st July. 
 

So many windows, each with a significant price rise, drives PotD prices to a level many find too much.

For the avoidance of doubt, I’m an early birder.

4 hours ago, Owling_Wolf said:

Does anyone know what was the reason for the tannoy announcement at roughly the end of h.t., asking the North Stand not to throw things - I can't remember the exact wording - on the pitch or in the direction of the pitch?  

I heard the announcement and for some reason looked down to the pitch and saw the linesman.

Although nothing had been thrown, not that I saw, I assumed it was a preemptive plea based on a combination of the clown disallowing the goal and previous linesmen getting things thrown in their direction.

Why the negativity?
I’m rooting for him even if no one else is.

But when this job comes to an end, i think he’ll take a leaf out of his brother’s book and branch out into media work.

They seem to have swiftly dropped the yellow card for multiple players encroaching into the ref’s space too.

1 minute ago, owl4ever1867 said:

Bit like watching Danny Sonnor then.

Boring, dull footballer.

True. The only thing I remember him for is that quote. Did nothing memorable on the pitch.

“Jed Wallace, the West Bromwich Albion captain, has likened the off-the-field issues at Sheffield Wednesday to storylines from soap opera 'EastEnders'.”

Nothing changes. Not for Wednesday, not for nearly a quarter century anyway.

Something in recent events reminder me of a quote in the local (midlands) press that left me a bit saddened at the time, from when Danny Sonner left Wednesday for Birmingham City in 2000. Not so much the departure, but what he said.

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/New+lease+of+life+for+soap-sick+Sonner.-a063930934

“Sonner arrived at Blues on a free transfer this week from trouble-torn Sheffield Wednesday which, he says, was more like a soap-opera than a football club. “

@infoman

We are staying at Cribbs-causeway just off M5 J17. 
What are your thoughts on using buses to/from Ashton Gate?

Best we’ve played over 90 minutes since Peterborough.

I’m not sure whether they were bad or we were good. Probably a bit of both, but they seemed like our ideal opponents. By that I mean that their forwards got nothing from Bambo, Bernard and Iorfa, and their defence couldn’t handle the pace of Musaba. Bannan and Byers ran the midfield. Everyone won their individual battles. Even Smith, notwithstanding the goals, won more duels than normal.

Man of the match contenders:

Paterson: at his best with some gamesmanship thrown in.

Smith: two goals

Iorfa: a monster. At the level when we first got him. Those surging runs. Mugging Hugill near the end. This is the Iorfa we need week in week out.

But my vote goes to Musaba: a bit frustrating at times, but the first consistent demonstration of the pace that we expected when he signed. He should look for the pass more, but his pace was what gave the advantage. 

3 hours ago, Neville Facking Bartos said:

 

Apparently out last goal was the tennis ball game, might not be a bad idea after all 😂

Weren’t we leading at the time of the tennis balls?

Such a long time ago I’m not certain. But if I’m right, surely that points against more tennis balls as the last one led to our goalless run?

9 hours ago, HappyOwl said:

I know their are loads of opinions on the ticket priority points system but I’m a bit pissed off that this one sold out the day before I could get tickets 

I missed hull away as I was in holiday been to cardiff Swansea and Leeds and going to Plymouth but missing out tomorrow 😡😡

Yes I probably could have bought tickets off people that were selling on but that defeats the reason for TPP

Anyway will watch from home 🙌🙌🙌 and still looking forward to it might start on the cans from 9 o clock just to make the experience of travelling 😂😂😂

UTO 

I’m in a similar position. Been to Cardiff, Swansea, WBA, off to Plymouth. Wondering whether I’ll get a Bristol City ticket with hotel already booked. But I’m reluctant to help someone else’s points harvesting. And the more I see posts like this, the more I think one minor tweak to the TPP process would solve the problem.

No TPPs if a game (away game) is sold out. 
Points only available for games where everyone has an equal chance of getting a ticket.

It won’t be immediate, but it’ll soon end points harvesting.

Your “reward” for buying a ticket at a sold out match: you see the match live. 
Your “reward” for buying a ticket for e.g. midweek at Plymouth: you see the match live and get 10 points.

1 hour ago, Ozzie said:

What makes you think we'll be bottom ? 

IMO Moore would've been on the verge of the sack now if he'd stayed, multiple times last season he could've easily gone. We were overturned by Ipsnitch and Argyle then we scraped into playoffs. 2 games has turned Moore into some God like manager. He was God awful most of the time. Ok we went on an unbeaten run, but fuckinghell some of the games were horrific to watch.

 

I don’t think we will be bottom. I was replying to the post immediately above mine by Andyben which said “I'd rather be bottom with this management team, than 18th with Moore“.

Having re-read it, I realise that I probably misread it, thinking he meant he’d rather we “finish” bottom as opposed to “currently” be bottom.

I can see the argument for one step back then two steps forward, which some have been advocating, but I’ve had my fill of league one football for a while. I’d prefer finishing 18th with Moore, than finishing bottom with the new/better coaching team. I want championship football next season and to build from there without taking a step back.

I don’t think staying up is beyond us. But neither do I think we’d have been relegated with Moore in charge.

How long before they are all broadcast live, one at a time?

Saturday kick off at 11:00, 1:00, 5:30, 7:30
Sunday kick off at 12:00, 2:00, 4:00, 6:00
One each Friday and Monday evening.

Leaves Saturday 3pm free for the rest of us.

It’ll need the FA to stand up to the EPL to keep Sat 3pm free from live TV though, but I don’t think they’ve got the wherewithal to do that.

At this stage of the season maybe, but next May I’d rather be 21st with Moore than bottom with the new lot, or with Colin, or with Pep or anyone you care to mention.

3 hours ago, Reesh said:

Wilf Rostron even?

Such a long time ago, at least I didn’t mix him up with Wilf Smith. Easily done at my age.

My first memory of watching us at Vicarage Road was when Graham Taylor was in charge. In a style similar to that which I think Xisco wanted for us, Watford ripped us apart on the counterattack. Speed down the wings with John Barnes left and ? Callaghan right with Wilf Rostrum overlapping and, I think, Blisset and Jenkins (fast, big, powerful) up front. Four nil at half time.

I remember thinking at HT, that if we get a quick goal we might still get something out of the game. And straight from the kick off, the defence opened up and Ticker Taylor ran through on goal.

He missed. The hoped for comeback petered out. FT 4-0. But I have a weird affection for the game as it was my first hearing, at a match, of “always look on the bright side of life”.

On one level, the footballing level, I agree with Maguire: “proper fans” don’t boo players. Not individually anyway.

Boo a team at full time if they’re poor or uncommitted maybe, but not an individual. There might be an argument that booing a player is the kick up the backside he needs. I don’t go along with that. Booing individuals damages confidence that is probably fragile to start with and is most likely to make performances worse.

Then there’s the non-footballing level, where a player does or says something away from the pitch (Ched, Greenwood, Hughes spring to mind). But there are areas that are less clear cut: I suspect most Jewish or Arab players are currently treading a fine line between staying silence and expressing their reasonably held views.

But on to Henderson. And I think this is where players live in another reality. It’s fine, in my opinion, for any player to express strong support for LGBQ+ or not. But if Henderson was sincere in his support for the LGBQ community then he wouldn’t have gone to Saudi - it’s not like he’s struggling with the cost of living crisis. So he’s shown himself to be a hypocrite and he deserves all the booing he gets. It’s nothing to do with his football (although being selected before better players doesn’t help). It’s not even his expressed views. It’s his sudden apparent change in those view when big money is involved; it’s his hypocrisy.

And Southgate and Maguire, presumably when asked, could hardly call Henderson a twat, but equally they don’t need to give such fulsome support for him. That why I think they’re not living in the real world. They don’t see that Henderson has done anything deserving of criticism. And the only way for most of us to deliver that criticism is via a few boos. Top footballers (and managers) are in their football bubble and nothing else matters. Social media accounts and support for any oppressed group or cause is mainly to boost their likes and their ego and their sponsorships.

Maguire and Southgate need calling out for supporting Henderson almost as much as Henderson does for his hypocrisy.

* There are some, perhaps many, exceptions: Grealish and Defoe, but at the top of the game, I think they’re probably in a minority.

2 hours ago, Gamblor said:

That’s technically true, but we’d have a game in hand over Ukraine, whose remaining game would be against Italy, whilst we’re playing North Macedonia and Malta. I’m no Southgate fan, but we’ve all but qualified. 

Yes, I know. 
But a current big lead and “as good as qualified” could be “ahead of third only on GD” in a few days.
 

And yes, we should pick up the necessary points against N Macedonia and/or Malta, but it’s England. They’re almost as good as Wednesday for cocking it up.

Put in a dire performance against Italy on Tuesday and we most likely will be level on points with both Ukraine and Italy. 
 

Hopefully, Henderson and Phillips won’t get a look in.

13 minutes ago, Neville Facking Bartos said:

It's all well & good the fans being patient (most won't be mind) if the Chairman isn't. Wouldn't be surprised to see play offs mentioned at his PC 😄

Ignoring Stuart Gray and Steve Bruce, Chansiri has seen the back of six managers. Only Pulis and Xisco could you say he was impatient with, and not many would argue with the decision to get rid of those two after such a short time.

So think Chansiri’s record is mainly one of patience - Carlos, Jos, Monk and Moore - all given plenty of (too much, some would say) time.

 I’m usually one of the last calling for a manager to go, yet it’s only Stuart Gray that I think Chansiri got rid of too soon. I think Chansiri’s instinct is (was?) to give his man time, but he’s been overly influenced by impatient vocal fans.

Mid-week. Lots of travel. And we’re a bit crap.

But, new manager (maybe) and only 1648 tickets.

I’m in the Friday morning slot, will I get one?