Teddy Nickelarse

25 minutes ago, Alan Finney said:

To be honest anyone could and should have seen exactly that happening, .....

To be fair anyone on here could and should have seen that reaction coming too.

Pretty much as expected except perhaps Dawson. Suspect offered terms to reflect likely experienced back up keeper. Bonus that we've  been able to cut Delgado loose. 

One or two might decline terms offered but the list is a solid core of proven championship players and trusted by Röhl. Scope to add some extra quality now that the pruning has been done.

So far, so good. 

2 hours ago, mkowl said:

I accept the thinking, but there have probably equally been times that players have been retained and its backfired. The likes of Lee and Hutchinson in recent times, decent players but with appaling injury records and general lack of availability.

Notwithstanding the assertions that it can become a powerful clique that undermines the manager - possibly both those reasons were behind Francis decisions.

I never have strong views as to an individual player, if they leave so be it, if they choose not to join so be it. 

We know though that there are necessarily going to be a raft of changes anyway. It's about balance too. Keeping injury prone players is a huge risk certainly( exceptions like Luongo/Ipswich are rare) and this makes cutting the likes of Byers loose ostensibly prudent..... and indeed raises questions over Windass. It surely makes sense though to retain a core of solid, proven performers at this level, to help smooth the evolutionary process. Too much too soon is as fraught with risk as overly clinging to the past.

22 minutes ago, Alan Finney said:

I agree with you  Teddy. Way too big a job to do all at once. What is it? Around 20 players contracted or loans that could potentially leave? Massive task to do at one hit with possibly catastrophic consequences, just too many new arrivals that just don't know each other and have to be inducted. Got Xisco written all over it.

Makes sense to retain a nucleus of some of the players that are coming out of contract.

Just hope we avoid what seemed to be panic signings just to fill holes like we appear to have done previously.

 

Yep. Most reaching end of terms will leave. Makes absolute sense though to keep good players with good attitudes to help, as you say, integrate the many newcomers that will be incoming anyway.

11 minutes ago, Tewksbury said:

Do you believe that Bannan can play in a standard 2 man midfield?

For Danny to decide how to employ him; in the team, the squad, off the bench or whatever.

We're  heading for a circular argument  though. Agree to differ on what he offers.

5 minutes ago, Tewksbury said:

Of Bannan starts, Röhl will have to.

Don't agree but what I've learned is that once opinions on players has been formed no persuasion to the contrary is ever effective. Agree to differ. 

5 minutes ago, Tewksbury said:

Has anyone thought that the reason they haven't offered contracts is to avoid this exact situation?

Of course - but not revolving solely around Bannan 

2 minutes ago, EastCraigsOwl said:

Scenario:

Bannan gets informed he's not getting a new contract. Let's say he then storms into a Teams chat saying, "aw tae fuck, man, that Gerry **** hasnae offered me a new deal. Whey the fuck diz he think he is? Ahm no happy. Efter ivrythin ah've done for this club. Fuckin' erse. Am fuckin' gutted, so ah am. Time tae cause some bother lads. Are ye all in?"

If you're a current player who DR has offered a new deal, what do you do?

a - sign the contract, join forces with Bazza and disrupt for a couple of weeks before being shown the door for gross misconduct (or, more likely, left to rot in the reserves for 2 / 3 years); or

b - appreciate that your manager rates you enough and wants you to be part of his plans. Tough shit Baz, that's football mate.

Why would we require to have that confirmed if he's under contract?

He's pretty much here until he leaves. There's nothing to confirm.

I don't require confirmation. Some evidently do especially the anti DC brigade. Just thought I'd add a bit of a positive that's all. Just something I heard from a good source. Any confirmation would likely be in the form of extended contract announcement or merely him returning from his break and getting stuck into next season's preparations 

1 minute ago, Tewksbury said:

Bannan is living off the past.

It's a different game where teamwork, physicality and discipline win games.

Yes, he can find a pass, but these days so can most midfielders, he's nothing special anymore. Definitely not special enough to have your whole team based on him, which is the only reason he's still relevant.

I expect him to be offered terms. I don’t  for one nano second expect Danny to base the whole team around him. 

26 minutes ago, Tewksbury said:

See, I'm not sure how much influence Röhl has on Barry staying.

BB has said that Chansiri has said that as long as he has legs, he has a contract. Barry also believes that he's too good for L1, so I can't see him accepting a supporting role, and he has enough influence in the dressing room and at the club to fuck us if he throws his teddy out.

Look at the Boro game. "It's hard to captain when you don't know if you have a contract". The only players really affected in that game were the ones mentioned above.

Also, on a personal note, the fact that he would leave if we went down, means all loyalty is now gone, offer him a contract, but offer him a low one and see how much interest he gets. I'll bet it's nowhere near what he thinks.

We're where we are due to keeping overpaid players well past time, and now it's time for the current crop.

I think it fair to say that our opinions on Bannan are irreconcilably different.

I agree with the bit in bold and have stated that whilst I expect contracts to be offered to Bannan, Palmer, Vaulks and Windass the length of term and remuneration must be appropriate. The way the wage bill has contracted in the last couple of years suggests that lessons have been learned.  They may decline terms offered. I suspect that Danny is pragmatic as well as being a very talented manager/coach and that we'll see that evidenced when the retained list is announced. 

On a tangent I think that we'll  soon hear confirmation that DR will be the one leading us forward. 

13 hours ago, Kiwi Owl said:

Michael Duff appointed as the new manager 

 

Took a few goes but think they've finally managed to get it right with this.

1 minute ago, Tewksbury said:

Is it?

 

Does Röhl clearly value, or is he making do? We're playing the way our squad dictates.

He's on record as saying he wants to play with 2 x 6s.

He wants to play a back 4.

When we've tried it, it's been a disaster, due to not having the players to fit it.

Bannan stops the midfield 2 working, it's why we have Baz and Vaulks, with Palmer floating between defence and mid. Half of our setup is covering for Bannan. But he doesn't warrant it anymore.

We have no decent LB, so wingbacks it is. If Pederson had been fit, James better, or we had signed Schultz, we'd be playing a back 4 and Johnson wouldn't get a look in.

Chansiri seems to have a very "got one at home" type of man.

So if we already have players for these positions, is he going to fund more or tell Röhl to work with what we have?

Everybody bangs on about Ipswich, but their system is based on having a system, then recruiting to fill it.

We do the opposite and if we want to move forward and see what Röhl can really do, then we need to cut nearly all the long standing players loose.

It will evolve dramatically over the next two summers with tweaks in January. With the raft of new players that we already know will need to come in we'll need solid players like Bannan, Vaulks, Palmer etc to help with the evolution though they may not be automatic first choices. I suspect that Röhl values them more than you do which is why I am co fident that they'll  be offered fresh terms - commensurate with their ages and value. We'll  know soon enough.

18 minutes ago, Tewksbury said:

This is about the Star.

Who are banging on like mad about the amount of players leaving, so to assume that they'll be ecstatic if a lot of them stay, especially the likes of Windass, Bannan and Palmer, isn't much of a stretch.

So where, again, am I telling anyone what to think?

I am making a point that a big clear out, based on Röhl's comments, will indicate that Röhl has the confidence to replace them with upgrades, a big retained list indicates the opposite. 

Personally thank that this is simplistic - apologies.

Just with players that we pretty much know will be leaving at the end of their agreements there'll be a need to recruit 9 or 10 - a big task already.  In reality there may be a couple more with contracted players- on big wages - not getting much game time under Röhl who he'd  likely prefer to move on.

Offering fresh terms to players that Röhl  clearly values would IMO just indicate a prudent evolution.

My guesses - Likely that Bakinson, Fletcher, Hendrick, Dawson, Brennan, Momo, Pederson, Gregory and Byers will be the definite leavers with their contracts/loans expiring. Smith might attract interest and be allowed to leave. Maybe even Ihekwei too. James might be easier to move on as I doubt that his wages will be as big an obstacle as the other two.

Iorfa, Palmer, Bannan, Windass, Vaulks and Bernard I reckon will be offered new deals though how many agree to stay on the terms offered will be interesting. Proven solid Championship performers.   As with Luongo a couple if season's ago I expect that there will be deadlines to facilitate  finding replacements where required. 

I think the club has a one year option on Paterson, whether it's taken up may depend on how high the wages obligation is. 

It's going to be a busy summer!

1 hour ago, Billysboy said:

Oh buggar.

He'll be in charge of us next season.

2 hours ago, Tewksbury said:

He's a Barnsley fan from tik tok who's been kicking off about Wednesday since he started. He's only been on YouTube a few weeks.

He's never pretended to be a proper non biased whatever they are.

Don't take it seriously, he doesn't. 

Bet he's absolutely loving the reactions in here and OT.

Still funny though.

26 minutes ago, Billysboy said:

Probably a tip of his mate Hargreaves, "listen Rob, if somebody starts making you look a total **** just block em".

Certainly cut from the same cloth.

🤣

Apologies if posted elsewhere.

3 hours ago, Alan Finney said:

Fair play to Staton, he doesn't suffer fools for long, well I didn't last long anyway.😂That was for something pretty insignificant as well. I've had a few pops at Crann, Miller and Howson on there as well, got some back but they never blocked me so credit where due.

 

Got the same. I don't do abuse or trolling but challenging his one eyed stance with regards to DC is a hyper sensitive area for him.

What really got me angry though was him allowing the 5 minute anti-DC rant on FH then ridiculing opposing viewpoints, respectfully made, with constant interruptions and belittling. 

Staton makes me want to puke.

1 minute ago, Tylluan said:

There's already movement to fill the head of recruitment role vacated by David Downes last July, but it's dependent on a work permit. 

Dooley's COO position looks likely to be filled as well. 

You won't hear much about the new training ground as it's all going through the uni for grant purposes. 

Good stuff. Thanks.

44 minutes ago, Tewksbury said:

DC's default position is non turbulence. 

He only rocks up when it's going tits up.

29 signings for DM in League 1, mostly early.

The only time he turns up are to get the transfers through and when DM shit the bed last spring.

Recruitment plan for last summer done and dusted, ready to be implemented when the window opened, verified by David Downes, DC and DM.

The turbulence last summer was all DM.

But DM's a gentleman and he could never lie, despite the now forgotten admission that he did lie.

Yep.

9 minutes ago, Andyben said:

As soon as the fan base realise we're not a Premier League Club and won't be again, then well have a better chance of progression.

We may in the future spend a season or two in th PL but we're so very very far behind the curve now we'll never be a PL club again.

Unless of course we get a Red Bull / Mad Billionaire scenario but even then the way funding is controlled and penalised by EFL/EPL for 'new money clubs' even these examples may not be enough.

 

The fun in getting to the PL is just that - the getting there. Once there invariably the funs stops for the majority.

16 minutes ago, Tewksbury said:

 

16 minutes ago, Tewksbury said:

If as @Tylluanhas said is true, then the improvements to the training situation are already being looked at, but that won't matter.

The fanbase these days are in the Sky Sports generation, where money is everything. They want to 'win' the transfer window with fees with loads of zeros,  they want a big, shiny training ground with all the mod cons.

It's all about how much you can crow about on X, aboit being able to call other clubs tinpot, about not being embarrased because so much of your own identity is tied into the club, not about actual effectiveness.

They won't say it, but nothing less than spendageddon mk.2 will satisfy some.

We will always be compared to the exceptions, Brighton did it, Ipswich did it, etc. and never to the other 80 odd clubs who didn't. 

Today, especially, I'm not focussing on our fanbase negatives. I do believe that we do need to alter the balance of how our financial resources are employed however and hope that the embryonic plans mentioned by Tylluan come to fruition. More generally I hope that DR and DC can settle on a way forward expediently and we have a summer of non turbulence.

7 minutes ago, Tewksbury said:

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We have a massive issue at this club of everything bad automatically being Chansir/Paxo and anything good coming from the manager.

We do and its being driven and orchestrated by a nucleus of DC haters (not too strong a word). That aside I think that DR, especially, is clear in his mind that we have to improve our operation significantly aside from just the first team personnel.