Pilgrimage to Devon - Match thread

[Chelters]

It’s calling out for Burton O’Brien this.

[MAL]

Bannan not happy

[Canterburyowl]

Sounds like very strange subs

[owl4ever1867]

Into the last 5 minutes plus any injury time to go....

 

[owl4ever1867]

My heart was in my mouth then as it went 2-1 Plymouth.

Disallowed! Thank fuck for that.

[MAL]

Reyt defending

 

[MAL]

Fuck off

[owl4ever1867]

O fuck off Wednesday.

[Canterburyowl]

Could see it coming a mile off

[Reesh]

Fuck off

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

Moore tactics fuck up on the subs yet again

[Laceups]

DM hold your head in shame

[Mark]

Just now, mkowlthesexynewversion said:

Moore tactics fuck up on the subs yet again

Exactly. Since he's taken those 2 off we've been under pressure. I'm fuming 

[owl4ever1867]

This is on DM massively tonight, fucking idiotic decision making again.

[Andyben]

7 hours ago, Andyben said:

Let's play to our strengths, not theirs.

 

Two up top with Windass behind

 

[Winco]

Respect to them that have travelled down there to have that fucking Bellend of a manager ruin it.

imbecile 

[MAL]

Bannan is going to have a reyt go after that.

[Laceups]

I’ve defended him so often but Darren Moore you have royally fucked us tonight. Pathetic substitutions. 

[owl4ever1867]

Ipswich 2-0

Awful night for us.

[Vialli]

What the fuck is Moore thinking. Not dissed him yet but tonight.  Fuck off.

[HappyOwl]

Devastating fuckin rubbish all that hard work for fuck all 😡😡😡😡

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

Just now, Neville Facking Bartos said:

Only one team and manager tried to win that last 20-25

Silly **** 

Exactly, it is these decisions that make the difference between promotion and play offs. 

The one thing we know is we do not defend well under pressure, so they were doing that anyway thru their subs but he gave them an extra boost by removing the pace to make them think about over commiting.

Did enough to win at times, keeper played well for them, but the last 15 poor poor stuff by Moore

[HappyOwl]

Whoever went tonight refund them out of your own fuckin pocket Moore ffs.

On to the next one 😡😡😡😡😡

[Reesh]

5 minutes ago, owl4ever1867 said:

Ipswich 2-0

Awful night for us.

"Awful"

 

It's fucking October

 

[Winco]

I’d be fucking livid and proper showing off down there.

[MAL]

Well...

If you watched tonight and still think we have a chance of auto's 🤡

Before the game everybody was saying (me included) that Plymouth don't have the strength in the squad to continue a push for promotion in the auto's.

Looking at tonight we could be well wrong, unless they come up against a manager so inept that they change it like we did in every match.

That was the most ridiculous substitutions i can ever remember, how the hell are you supposed to keep hold of the ball when you take off "probably" the two most influential players on the pitch.

[KrolMong]

The game should have been sewn up on 60 mins, you cannot create and miss that many chances, and expect to win. And the subs, from our side didn’t contribute. Dele didn’t touch the ball, Paterson kept mis controlling and fouling. But the Plymouth changes did work. And I will agree, no issues with one of Bannan and Windass going off, but leave one on - we handed the impetus to Plymouth.

It was a good performance until the changes and then it went wrong. And I still don’t understand why Paterson came on instead of Gregory.

I’ll call out the good displays.

Bannan, Palmer, Bakinson and Vaulks (the latter two for 70 minutes), Heneghan and Ihiekwe. Windass was brilliant in getting behind all night but decision making was poor. Stockdale made some good stops.

I actually thought Moore got it spot on until the changes. And I also think he paid by not having Wilkes on the bench just for his pace.

Really good game that we should have won.

If we play like that first 70 minutes away from home every week, we’ll not drop many points.

[HarrySpeakup]

He thought the draw was sewn up so decided to rest them for the mighty Cheltenham 

They must both be absolutely livid … Oh and as well as all of us

What an stupid f****** idiot 

 

 

 

[Laceups]

However you dress it up if we do that if we do this…..

If our manager keeps getting tactically out smarted then we finish top 6 with this squad and a repeat last season.

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

I will agree up to 70 minutes it was a decent performance, game could have gone either way. Draw was probably the right score on the balance of play. 

But you have to react as a manager, and yet again Moore has floundered at the crunch moment. 

He should apologise to the players for fucking it up

[Reesh]

1,481 away fans 

[KrolMong]

I won’t defend the subs, but they should have been an absolute non factor. On 60 minutes, we should have been 4-1 up. Poor miss from Smith, Poor miss from Johnson, three worldies from the keeper, woodwork twice, poor miss from Iorfa. You cannot go away from home and create as many sitters as that and only score one. And I’m not including the ones where we have picked the wrong pass or cross when in great positions.

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

4 minutes ago, Laceups said:

However you dress it up if we do that if we do this…..

If our manager keeps getting tactically out smarted then we finish top 6 with this squad and a repeat last season.

Spot on, he is competent enough when we can flat track bully sides. This is not the end of the auto promotion chances of course, but it opens a gap points wise but hugely the confidence boost for them in their own ambitions.

I can see that a draw would have been a good result but inviting pressure settling for it was the least likely way of getting it.

 

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

1 minute ago, KrolMong said:

I won’t defend the subs, but they should have been an absolute non factor. On 60 minutes, we should have been 4-1 up. Poor miss from Smith, Poor miss from Johnson, three worldies from the keeper, woodwork twice, poor miss from Iorfa. You cannot go away from home and create as many sitters as that and only score one. And I’m not including the ones where we have picked the wrong pass or cross when in great positions.

Agreed but let's also factor in that at 2-1 up he would have pulled up the barricades.

The utter frustration is that Smith with pace alongside was scaring the shit out of them, Paterson WTF 

[Owling_Wolf]

The longer the 2nd half went on, the less legs we'd got. Several were running on empty. Bannan wasn't the same player after he went down the 2nd time.  Before the end Vaulks had got nothing left. He couldn't even catch up with play after taking a corner.  We needed more subs on, not less.  Like they changed the game with theirs.

I said to a mate about 20 mins from the end that there's just too many good players not on the field for us. We really need some of them back and playing on Saturday. 

[bricat]

Gregory should have been brought on much earlier. I'll wait for his explanations for the subs, when Mel Brooks writes his script. I think they have won every home game this season so when they load attack minded players on we should have done the same to go head to head.

Surely he has to be in the last chance saloon.

 

 

 

[Owling_Wolf]

27 minutes ago, KrolMong said:

The game should have been sewn up on 60 mins, you cannot create and miss that many chances, and expect to win. And the subs, from our side didn’t contribute. Dele didn’t touch the ball, Paterson kept mis controlling and fouling. But the Plymouth changes did work. And I will agree, no issues with one of Bannan and Windass going off, but leave one on - we handed the impetus to Plymouth.

It was a good performance until the changes and then it went wrong. And I still don’t understand why Paterson came on instead of Gregory.

I’ll call out the good displays.

Bannan, Palmer, Bakinson and Vaulks (the latter two for 70 minutes), Heneghan and Ihiekwe. Windass was brilliant in getting behind all night but decision making was poor. Stockdale made some good stops.

I actually thought Moore got it spot on until the changes. And I also think he paid by not having Wilkes on the bench just for his pace.

Really good game that we should have won.

If we play like that first 70 minutes away from home every week, we’ll not drop many points.

Bakinson was dreadful again. Folks were shouting for him to be taken off.  

[Andyben]

PAss of the match for Palmers goal

[Owling_Wolf]

16 minutes ago, KrolMong said:

I won’t defend the subs, but they should have been an absolute non factor. On 60 minutes, we should have been 4-1 up. Poor miss from Smith, Poor miss from Johnson, three worldies from the keeper, woodwork twice, poor miss from Iorfa. You cannot go away from home and create as many sitters as that and only score one. And I’m not including the ones where we have picked the wrong pass or cross when in great positions.

The one by Smith was huge: eventually proving to be game changing.  He put a huge shift in but he's got to do better with that.

Btw, their sponsor chose Cooper, their keeper, as man of the match. 

[Billysboy]

Not against Moore as much as some on here, but fuck me that defeat was so self inflicted.

 

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

4 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said:

The one by Smith was huge: eventually proving to be game changing.  He put a huge shift in but he's got to do better with that.

Btw, their sponsor chose Cooper, their keeper, as man of the match. 

Tbf Owling he was, but why can we as fans all see that whenever we settle for a draw the wheels come off. If teams attack us, we concede good chances for them to score.

They went for it, credit to their manager for building up the momentum with his subs but we boosted that momentum hugely. I don't actually have an issue with changing players due to tiredness, but if we as fans can see that pace is unsettling them why can't Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber on the sidelines keep the pace levels on.

It's so frustrating that he loses too many of this tactical tussles with other managers 

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

What gets me is that him and Jamie Smith ponder these subs for 5 minutes before making them and still manage to bollocks it up 

[MAL]

1 minute ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said:

What gets me is that him and Jamie Smith ponder these subs for 5 minutes before making them and still manage to bollocks it up 

They should have pondered for another 20 minutes or so.

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

Is there goal line technology in League 1. Presumed there was as that header was mighty close.

PS Giddings is as much at fault, he said on 75 minutes we hadn't conceded late. Writing was on the wall as soon as he said that 

[Owling_Wolf]

9 minutes ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said:

Tbf Owling he was, but why can we as fans all see that whenever we settle for a draw the wheels come off. If teams attack us, we concede good chances for them to score.

They went for it, credit to their manager for building up the momentum with his subs but we boosted that momentum hugely. I don't actually have an issue with changing players due to tiredness, but if we as fans can see that pace is unsettling them why can't Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber on the sidelines keep the pace levels on.

It's so frustrating that he loses too many of this tactical tussles with other managers 

I was surprised we didn't chuck a fresh Hunt on if actually fit now after his illness. The excellent Palmer, superb tonight, was blowing badly late on.  

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

1 minute ago, MAL said:

They should have pondered for another 20 minutes or so.

Thing is I don't disagree with making subs when tiredness hits. And taking one of them off was possibly a reasonable thing to do. 

I just dislike it was done with negative intent. It's not like I would expect in an away game against top of the table to go gung ho, more you can't hand them the initiative even more than they had 

[KrolMong]

So. We’ve now played all of the top 7.

We have got 5 points. Lost three, drawn two and won one.

[mkowlthesexynewversion]

Just now, KrolMong said:

So. We’ve now played all of the top 7.

We have got 5 points. Lost three, drawn two and won one.

Says everything

Tactically out smarted again.

He has actually said the subs were made due to fatigue but also with Saturdays game in mind 

I think the fans patience across the board ran out tonight 

[MAL]

1 minute ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said:

Thing is I don't disagree with making subs when tiredness hits. And taking one of them off was possibly a reasonable thing to do. 

I just dislike it was done with negative intent. It's not like I would expect in an away game against top of the table to go gung ho, more you can't hand them the initiative even more than they had 

Yeah, i don't disagree with what you say about tiredness, but i don't think tonight was the night.

When you are playing that well, you DO NOT RADICALISE IT!!!!

Sometimes you can make a substitute that compliments and helps their game along, tonight he ruined it.

[KrolMong]

Just now, MAL said:

Yeah, i don't disagree with what you say about tiredness, but i don't think tonight was the night.

When you are playing that well, you DO NOT RADICALISE IT!!!!

Sometimes you can make a substitute that compliments and helps their game along, tonight he ruined it.

I just wouldn’t bring Paterson on. And bring Gregory on. The issue we had was if you lose that movement and guile that Bannan and Windass offered, you need a way of getting it to stick. Paterson has an abysmal touch and is woeful at linking play, whereas Gregory will. There was even an argument for Mighten to buzz around Smith.

Just not Paterson, aside from miscontrol things, or foul people, he offered no support to Smith or the midfield three.