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4 minutes ago, TommyCraig said:

You've quite clearly heard thoughtful reasoning from numerous posters on this very thread as to why DM doesn't deserve the keys to the city. Are you saying they've formed these opinions because our manager is black? 

Utter nonsense. He'll get his keys when he brings success, consistently. Like how it should be. 

 

No I gave an opinion that whatever Moore does there is a section of the fanbase that will never accept him , I dont think all of those people are racists far from it , but have seen on line evidence in the past of that happening , have read this site for a number of years am unsurprised by the thoughtful reasoning from the predictable accounts . To quantify that I have seen no racist insinuations on this site , it does however seem to have been received as such . I did also say there are no excuses for him this season 

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3 minutes ago, Dronowl66 said:

No I gave an opinion that whatever Moore does there is a section of the fanbase that will never accept him , I dont think all of those people are racists far from it , but have seen on line evidence in the past of that happening , have read this site for a number of years am unsurprised by the thoughtful reasoning from the predictable accounts . To quantify that I have seen no racist insinuations on this site , it does however seem to have been received as such . I did also say there are no excuses for him this season 

Fair enough. It think you're wrong for suggesting it. There's enough actual racism to deal with rather than imagined racism. It's virtue signalling and its plain wrong and tiresome. 

The first half of last season, most supporters were leaving the ground shaking their heads trying to work out wtaf DM was trying to achieve, he made some very naive decisions regarding selection and tactics. We picked up certainly but he didn't manage to get us over the line. 

This season were on a really good run, he looks like he's learned a lot and has definitely brought back a togetherness that had been missing. I'm enjoying it very much tbh but we're not guaranteed to go up. That's why the jury's still out for some. We've historically been a very hard to please fan base, yes, even with paler skin managers. So, a good job but not job done. 

I can't fathom how your psyche has led you to racism. 

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4 hours ago, Dronowl66 said:

I'm sick and tired about hearing about Plymouth away , yes Moore made a mistake but he has got a bloody lot right since then but still gets no credit . Take the shackles off ???????? sod that, second in League a game in hand is just fine in my book , blokes re built a shit show from day one and but for a points deduction would be doing it in a Division higher . His philosophy seems to be running right through every age group now and for once we are seeing kids coming through that other clubs are interested in , when's that happened in the last 20 years ? If he was called Albert Smith and his Grandad worked in a cutlery shop on Shalesmoor and he ( lets face it ) was a different colour he would have the freedom of Hillsbro by now .... boils my piss.... apologies for the rant I have these days now and again 

Absolute nonsense re his colour, absolutely ridiculous. 

He's done well but like it or not for many the feeling that his tinkering and negative tactics at times will cost us remains. And for me with players he has there is no need to be like that .

He had a go for 60 mins at Plymouth and we were excellent but then went into shell and if we're not careful that approach will catch up on us.

Tomorrow  result obviously important but not definitive. If we were to lose but went down swinging and play well I'll look at bigger picture. 

Obviously if play like **** and win, I'll take it😁

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1 hour ago, Dronowl66 said:

I respect your right to an alternative opinion , saving the last sentence of course ,that does you no favours 

Plenty have told what they think and why yet still you insinuate the racism thing. Fucking deplorable!

 

Monk was shit or was that a gingerism?

 

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5 hours ago, Dronowl66 said:

I'm sick and tired about hearing about Plymouth away , yes Moore made a mistake but he has got a bloody lot right since then but still gets no credit . Take the shackles off ???????? sod that, second in League a game in hand is just fine in my book , blokes re built a shit show from day one and but for a points deduction would be doing it in a Division higher . His philosophy seems to be running right through every age group now and for once we are seeing kids coming through that other clubs are interested in , when's that happened in the last 20 years ? If he was called Albert Smith and his Grandad worked in a cutlery shop on Shalesmoor and he ( lets face it ) was a different colour he would have the freedom of Hillsbro by now .... boils my piss.... apologies for the rant I have these days now and again 

 

4 hours ago, Dronowl66 said:

Players absolutely no issue but some people have never had and will never have the Manager , anyway what he has done for this club deserves a great deal more recognition than he gets 

 

1 hour ago, Dronowl66 said:

No I gave an opinion that whatever Moore does there is a section of the fanbase that will never accept him , I dont think all of those people are racists far from it , but have seen on line evidence in the past of that happening , have read this site for a number of years am unsurprised by the thoughtful reasoning from the predictable accounts . To quantify that I have seen no racist insinuations on this site , it does however seem to have been received as such . I did also say there are no excuses for him this season 

 

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I think @Dronowl66 made some decent points that have got lost amidst the potential racist claim, which I think was clumsy at the very least.

There might well be some who are anti him on those grounds, but I really hope that it’s a tiny minority; and it definitely does not apply to his detractors on here.

We’re on an incredible run, but as pointed out there are still references made to the last game we lost. 
 

We’re unbeaten in 20 odd games, including two against top flight opposition and he gets very little credit.

Every time we lose (or even draw) he’s been out thought by the opponent’s manager, every time we win it’s because we’ve got the best squad in the division.

That narrative is just not fair.

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9 minutes ago, JBO said:

Anybody using the term "out thought" regarding football is basically admitting they don't actually understand the game

Can we say he's been out manoeuvred by an opposition boss when their subs have won them the game, asking for a mate who doesn't understand the game (Bartos) 

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28 minutes ago, cheat said:

I think @Dronowl66 made some decent points that have got lost amidst the potential racist claim, which I think was clumsy at the very least.

There might well be some who are anti him on those grounds, but I really hope that it’s a tiny minority; and it definitely does not apply to his detractors on here.

We’re on an incredible run, but as pointed out there are still references made to the last game we lost. 
 

We’re unbeaten in 20 odd games, including two against top flight opposition and he gets very little credit.

Every time we lose (or even draw) he’s been out thought by the opponent’s manager, every time we win it’s because we’ve got the best squad in the division.

That narrative is just not fair.

I agree Cheat. However, DM has got some decisions wrong but that is normal and dare I say it statistically likely to happen over a season. However he’s basically got the majority of his decisions right with some outstanding results, eg against Newcastle and so nearly against Soton. 
It’s different challenge tomorrow, but even if we lose it doesn’t determine anything.

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On 03/02/2023 at 12:06, Dronowl66 said:

No I gave an opinion that whatever Moore does there is a section of the fanbase that will never accept him , I dont think all of those people are racists far from it , but have seen on line evidence in the past of that happening , have read this site for a number of years am unsurprised by the thoughtful reasoning from the predictable accounts . To quantify that I have seen no racist insinuations on this site , it does however seem to have been received as such . I did also say there are no excuses for him this season 

Well this is interesting. ‘A section of our fan base who will never accept him” because of his skin colour.


interesting that you make this serious claim without providing any evidence.
You don’t say who,  you don’t say when you saw or heard this, you don’t say how large or small this ‘section of our fanbase ‘ is.

In fact, you don’t specify anything supporting this pretty awful claim, that anyone could call measurable and able to stand up to any kind of scrutiny.
 

You just make a sweeping, serious and deeply unpleasant claim about your own teams fanbase. 

Im in my 40s and we’ve had black players from when I I was literally started going to games (Cunningham) and largely ever since, so four decades basically.
And I can’t once recall an issue from our fans towards black players.

Yet today in 2023 you suggest we have a racism problem, because we have a manager who is black? Do you not think this new found prejudice would appear a bit odd in view of the above? 

If I administered this site I would ask ask you to share evidence of what you claim to be true, otherwise apologise and retract it. 

Will you be doing that?
After all, such a serious thing in this day and age, should be pretty easy to exemplify would it not?

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12 minutes ago, ChineseYellowLorry said:

Well this is interesting. ‘A section of our fan base who will never accept him” because of his skin colour.


interesting that you make this serious claim without providing any evidence.
You don’t say who,  you don’t say when you saw or heard this, you don’t say how large or small this ‘section of our fanbase ‘ is.

In fact, you don’t specify anything supporting this pretty awful claim, that anyone could call measurable and able to stand up to any kind of scrutiny.
 

You just make a sweeping, serious and deeply unpleasant claim about your own teams fanbase. 

Im in my 40s and we’ve had black players from when I I was literally started going to games (Cunningham) and largely ever since, so four decades basically.
And I can’t once recall an issue from our fans towards black players.

Yet today in 2023 you suggest we have a racism problem, because we have a manager who is black? Do you not think this new found prejudice would appear a bit odd in view of the above? 

If I administered this site I would ask ask you to share evidence of what you claim to be true, otherwise apologise and retract it. 

Will you be doing that?
After all, such a serious thing in this day and age, should be pretty easy to exemplify would it not?

You don't administer this site though and never well. You're lucky to still be posting.

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