Owling_Wolf Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Less is more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 The players we have, got us to 2nd in the league. Soooooo They can get us up too. Onwards and UPWARDS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 I think this fascination with the transfer window is somewhat misplaced. Our loan signings tend to have a 50 50 success rate at best, integration of new players may take 2- 3 weeks which given our fixture list is not a gamble we should be taking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 20 minutes ago, Dronowl66 said: Whatever your views on Chansiri the one thing that cannot be argued is that funds have always been available , how those funds have been used has been the issue in the past . Its a sad indictment that half of our fan base will be hoping we win on Saturday but also hoping for there moment in the sun If we lose and they can jump on Twatter and attck Chansiri and Moore again Sadly true. Both points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Neville Facking Bartos said: If we fail to get promoted the criticism for not strengthening this window will be fierce. It’s a gamble. The concern for me is what has influenced our decision making. Simply a case of not pulling off deals we were working on or are the funds not available? I just think the players we wanted weren’t available. But as you say, if we don’t go up, then DM’s position will be untenable to a lot of the fan base who just don’t rate him. Although, it isn’t necessarily his fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) I think we've probably been a bit unlucky this time. Some of the better sounding, younger candidates seemed to become unavailable late on. Celtic decided not to let their player out, or made that known, late on. It sounds like the young striker at QPR wasn't allowed out after Lyndon Dykes unfortunately ended up in hospital. So here's to us having better luck in getting one or two of our own back from injury a bit quicker than originally expected: Reece James especially. Edited February 1, 2023 by Owling_Wolf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 A lot of our fan base need to go for a long walk off a short pier 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Our inactivity goes both ways. We haven't lost anyone and there were nibbles. We didn't need to scramble round trying to find, possibly inferior, replacements. I did a bit of work for a couple of other clubs and the fees/wages splits parent clubs were asking for loanees was stupid across the board. Then you had agents getting greedy as well. One PL kids loan move almost didn't go through because his agent wanted £50k for 'allowing' his player to move. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, Tylluan said: Our inactivity goes both ways. We haven't lost anyone and there were nibbles. We didn't need to scramble round trying to find, possibly inferior, replacements. I did a bit of work for a couple of other clubs and the fees/wages splits parent clubs were asking for loanees was stupid across the board. Then you had agents getting greedy as well. One PL kids loan move almost didn't go through because his agent wanted £50k for 'allowing' his player to move. That last bit: what a verminous bastard they are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 While I would have liked a forward with a bit of pace and tricks, most of the wants that, and they cost the big money. I've got doubts about Moore but tbf he and DC money have brought it quality players. But he has to deliver this season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 There's a possibility we may offer Tyler Blackett a trial after Wigan left it to the last minute to say no. We may also be thinking about Lewis Grabban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBO Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 We will have tried to get the players we wanted. We will have spent all January doing that. For whatever reasons the deals didn't come off . We could have signed some players for the sake of it, players we didn't really want and would not improve the squad, just to appease the more hard of thinking elements of our fanbase. I'm glad we didn't do that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 26 minutes ago, JBO said: We will have tried to get the players we wanted. We will have spent all January doing that. For whatever reasons the deals didn't come off . We could have signed some players for the sake of it, players we didn't really want and would not improve the squad, just to appease the more hard of thinking elements of our fanbase. I'm glad we didn't do that. Jordan Rhodes No further questions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Think Jeffers was the same - **** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Bellsview said: If I was to be critical I’d say that we had plenty of time to get our house in order and deals should have been sniffed out before the window even opened. Let’s face it, Plymouth and Ipswich didn’t exactly hang about did they? If we do fail to go up automatically then I’m afraid yes, I’ll be one of those looking at this transfer window and asking questions. But if it has no bearing and we do go up, I’ll gladly hold my hands up, call it a master stroke and eat another slice of humble pie. Our squad is good enough to go up with or without this window. If we don't go up then the blame is for me down to Moore. He's done well with recruitment but I'd like us to stop fannying about and release the shackles sometimes. Him settling for a point after conceding late against Plymouth away ended us coming home with nowt. I'd also prefer him to play his best 11 each time instead of persisting with Paterson... Also when Smith is on the pitch, get Marvin crossing the bastard ball in, play to the strengths and averages. Countless times we get a free kick and we take it further back from where it was awarded and it goes backwards, it drives me potty! Other teams steal a bit further forward and put the opposition under pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, Ozzie said: Our squad is good enough to go up with or without this window. If we don't go up then the blame is for me down to Moore. He's done well with recruitment but I'd like us to stop fannying about and release the shackles sometimes. Him settling for a point after conceding late against Plymouth away ended us coming home with nowt. I'd also prefer him to play his best 11 each time instead of persisting with Paterson... Also when Smith is on the pitch, get Marvin crossing the bastard ball in, play to the strengths and averages. Countless times we get a free kick and we take it further back from where it was awarded and it goes backwards, it drives me potty! Other teams steal a bit further forward and put the opposition under pressure. Agreed. Plymouth game worries me. It shouldn't because we're more than good enough we dhowed that down there. If Moore goes all "Carlos " and bottles it were in trouble. Believe in the players ability. It's his I doubt. While our midfield is a strength we lack real mobility and pace in there, Barnsley exposed that, and Plymouth have that as well. Play on front foot we'll be ok 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Maybe we should have recalled Brennan but is the fact that we let him stay an indication that we were looking to upgrade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 What positions do people think we should have filled? We maybe could have brought in an extra centre half, but that's it as far as I can see. Looking at players our peers have signed, who do you realistically think we missed out on? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Manager... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 We needed a reserve centre half for the bench or pushing Palmer to go back out wide, especially as Ihiekwe looks to be out longer than expected and Famewo pulled up (with cramp?) Hence looking at Hector and asking about the kid from Celtic. A quicker centre forward is always nice to have but I don't know if one would actually fit into our current style of play. I also think we have forward players in the 21s who could step up if there's a crisis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 17 minutes ago, Tylluan said: We needed a reserve centre half for the bench or pushing Palmer to go back out wide, especially as Ihiekwe looks to be out longer than expected and Famewo pulled up (with cramp?) Hence looking at Hector and asking about the kid from Celtic. A quicker centre forward is always nice to have but I don't know if one would actually fit into our current style of play. I also think we have forward players in the 21s who could step up if there's a crisis Agreed. I think we both mentioned Jebbison who at the time was hinted they would let him out on loan. Obviously unlikely to us, but his type would have been perfect. The lad will go onto bigger and better things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 I think Jaden Brown is going to be the reserve centre half and we currently have 5 strikers fighting over 2 slots. Wilks has pace and isn't getting much of a sniff, even when he does he doesn't fit in with our style. The squad looks harmonious at the mo, they all look to be playing for each other. I'm normally on the grandstand, but we sat on the north last Saturday and we visibly noticed the appreciation between the players. I take the bird in the hand and if it doesn't work, I don't blame DM... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Andyben said: Manager... Can't disagree with that but then who? Carbone seems to be lurking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrolMong Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 If we don’t lose to Plymouth, Ipswich and Barnsley. We’ll get promoted comfortably. The key isn’t necessarily the centre halves, it’s making sure that we keep the two B’s and Vaulks fit. Those three, with Adeniran in reserve will allow us to go back to dominating the ball, which against the rest of the division is more than enough. In fact, I’d simply say that if Byers, Bannan, Vaulks, Windass and Smith are fit. They play every game. I’m actually pleased we haven’t brought a body in for just the sake of it. We’ve got Flint, Palmer, Famewo, Iorfa, and James can’t be that far off. If we can always ensure three of them are fit, we’ll be fine. We can then let that midfield three run the show. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank_Owl2,0 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 I’d feel happier with another defender to call upon. Flint is a good signing but I’m still concerned Famewo will not last the season and Iorfa is still is likely to pull a hamstring if he plays every game. Let’s hope James is back soon and Brennan can be called back in an emergency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamOwl Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Brennan can’t be called back. You can only recall loans in a transfer window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank_Owl2,0 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 11 minutes ago, LiamOwl said: Brennan can’t be called back. You can only recall loans in a transfer window. Fair enough, thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 10 hours ago, Otto_Man said: I think Jaden Brown is going to be the reserve centre half and we currently have 5 strikers fighting over 2 slots. Wilks has pace and isn't getting much of a sniff, even when he does he doesn't fit in with our style. The squad looks harmonious at the mo, they all look to be playing for each other. I'm normally on the grandstand, but we sat on the north last Saturday and we visibly noticed the appreciation between the players. I take the bird in the hand and if it doesn't work, I don't blame DM... The thought of this frightens the life out of me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelters Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 I think Bakinson can do a job in a back 3, and if really needed Pato too. Plus there’s Agbontohoma if we’re looking at the youngsters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 11 hours ago, Neville Facking Bartos said: Any free transfer options out there? Timm Klose Sammy Ameobi Andre Wisdom Gaetan Bong All surely at a level to be able to contribute at League One level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Apparently Derby were back sniffing around Gregory, but we told them to do one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 20 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said: Apparently Derby were back sniffing around Gregory, but we told them to do one. Probably more to unsettle as I think they can't pay fees. Thought they were also supposed to be under wage restrictions but they don't seem that hampered this season as I thought they would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelters Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 9 hours ago, Chelters said: I think Bakinson can do a job in a back 3, and if really needed Pato too. Plus there’s Agbontohoma if we’re looking at the youngsters. Maybe not. Agbontohoma has signed for Boreham Wood on a permanent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Makes you wonder why we bother with an academy. They either get released or leave for nowt when they run their contract down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted February 2, 2023 Author Share Posted February 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ozzie said: Makes you wonder why we bother with an academy. They either get released or leave for nowt when they run their contract down. He didn't come through the academy and how do you know he left for nowt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 50 minutes ago, Reesh said: He didn't come through the academy and how do you know he left for nowt... I mean the fact he has joined Borehamwood suggests that is the level we consider he is good enough for. You enjoyed Borehamwood though even you cringed when I suggested Aziz looked like a terrorist when he grew a full on beard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Chelters said: Maybe not. Agbontohoma has signed for Boreham Wood on a permanent. https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2023/february/david-agbontohoma-leaves-owls/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Reesh said: He didn't come through the academy and how do you know he left for nowt... Nowt as in nothing or minuscule amounts, either way I can't see Borehamwood laying out a big fee that gives us a decent return on what we've laid out for the lad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted February 2, 2023 Author Share Posted February 2, 2023 13 minutes ago, Ozzie said: Nowt as in nothing or minuscule amounts, either way I can't see Borehamwood laying out a big fee that gives us a decent return on what we've laid out for the lad. What have we laid out for him? Next to fuck all is the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 I'd not seen that but, having seen him throughout the Papa Johns' campaign - Leics apart - I'm not surprised he's trying his luck at their level. Good luck to him. Surely this business of trying our hand by bringing in young players released / available to sign from other clubs' academies is a bit like panning for gold. You have a dabble with various candidates and if it doesn't work out you thank them and wish them well. Then you try again as the rewards for success could be immense. You certainly don't moan when one - another one - doesn't 'bear fruit'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said: I'd not seen that but, having seen him throughout the Papa Johns' campaign - Leics apart - I'm not surprised he's trying his luck at their level. Good luck to him. Surely this business of trying our hand by bringing in young players released / available to sign from other clubs' academies is a bit like panning for gold. You have a dabble with various candidates and if it doesn't work out you thank them and wish them well. Then you try again as the rewards for success could be immense. You certainly don't moan when one - another one - doesn't 'bear fruit'. When did we last bear fruit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 40 minutes ago, Reesh said: What have we laid out for him? Next to fuck all is the answer. Joined a few year ago, not like he'd been there since 8 yo. Stick in a first dibs clause and we're laughing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Ozzie said: When did we last bear fruit? Forget 'last', think 'next'. That's the point of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted February 3, 2023 Author Share Posted February 3, 2023 17 minutes ago, Dronowl66 said: I'm sick and tired about hearing about Plymouth away , yes Moore made a mistake but he has got a bloody lot right since then but still gets no credit . Take the shackles off ???????? sod that, second in League a game in hand is just fine in my book , blokes re built a shit show from day one and but for a points deduction would be doing it in a Division higher . His philosophy seems to be running right through every age group now and for once we are seeing kids coming through that other clubs are interested in , when's that happened in the last 20 years ? If he was called Albert Smith and his Grandad worked in a cutlery shop on Shalesmoor and he ( lets face it ) was a different colour he would have the freedom of Hillsbro by now .... boils my piss.... apologies for the rant I have these days now and again Fuck off. Don't dare bring fucking colour in to this. You fucking idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted February 3, 2023 Author Share Posted February 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, Dronowl66 said: Charming its my opinion my dear old thing It's also bollocks, if this is the level of your contribution fuck off back to owlstalk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 33 minutes ago, Dronowl66 said: I'm sick and tired about hearing about Plymouth away , yes Moore made a mistake but he has got a bloody lot right since then but still gets no credit . Take the shackles off ???????? sod that, second in League a game in hand is just fine in my book , blokes re built a shit show from day one and but for a points deduction would be doing it in a Division higher . His philosophy seems to be running right through every age group now and for once we are seeing kids coming through that other clubs are interested in , when's that happened in the last 20 years ? If he was called Albert Smith and his Grandad worked in a cutlery shop on Shalesmoor and he ( lets face it ) was a different colour he would have the freedom of Hillsbro by now .... boils my piss.... apologies for the rant I have these days now and again Colour isn’t a consideration. If players are good enough they’re good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted February 3, 2023 Author Share Posted February 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, Dronowl66 said: Players absolutely no issue but some people have never had and will never have the Manager , anyway what he has done for this club deserves a great deal more recognition than he gets Oh eat shit. He's doing the minimum I'd expect on the budget he has. I don't care if he's white, black, pink or fucking orange, I care about his failure to keep us up and bottling going up last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCraigsOwl Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 46 minutes ago, Dronowl66 said: blokes re built a shit show from day one and but for a points deduction would be doing it in a Division higher That's not actually guaranteed. Wednesday were 3 points behind Derby. A win guaranteed safety. It didn't happen and we were relegated. Without the 6-point deduction, Wednesday would've been 3 points ahead going into the last match. Can you honestly say, hand on heart, that that bunch would've grabbed the necessary point to ensure safety? Or would Derby have collected the victory they so badly needed, sending us down in their place? Two different scenarios. Two completely different mindsets. And all pure speculation of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted February 3, 2023 Author Share Posted February 3, 2023 Just now, Dronowl66 said: Eat shit ?? LMAO yes last season was a disappointment granted but the recruitment has been very good for this level and bar one mistake we were all over Sunderland , as for failing to keep us up a points deduction and inheriting poor players and a demoralised club from top to bottom was never going to be easy . His work at all levels will bring dividends in the future , I still maintain we have never had kids coming through like we do now You're a fucking moron. One mistake? It wasn't one mistake it was a reticence to attack in the first leg and his poor decision to bring a half fit Bannan back in the 2nd leg. Oh and the kids coming through have fuck all to do with him, that age group were around long before Moore was at the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCraigsOwl Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 11 minutes ago, Dronowl66 said: True and let me be clear with the work he has done thus far and the squad he has at his disposal If he doesn't get us up this year its an abject failure and I wouldn't expect to see him here next year , This is the third time we've been in the third tier during my time following Wednesday. On both the previous two occasions, season 1 has been poor (to put it mildly), while season 2 has delivered promotion. I was disappointed last season, but contented myself that at least it was much improved on the previous 2 initial efforts. A strange logic, I accept, but otherwise I may have got angry. And I try not to let football do that to me. I decided years ago that whatever is going to happen will happen and I can't influence things. Therefore, when we lose, I never get too down. All fine and well of course, but it does mean I'm shite at crosswords. This season, I expect promotion, purely based on the past record. Again, probably a strange logic, but I'm sticking with it. Hopefully it works! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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