Tylluan Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Rotherham have been 'gifted' the enhanced lighting set ups and VAR and goal line technology systems. They're not ripping it all out after the Euros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Is it like at the stain? They'll love that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, Skamp said: Is it like at the stain? They'll love that Blades had it in Prem didn't they Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Reesh said: Blades had it in Prem didn't they Id have thought so. I can just imagine those New Yorkers getting wet at the thought they now had the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Volumes on mute at the moment but that girl in the middle gets my vote to replace Lineker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holmesfield_owl Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 On 15/07/2022 at 19:50, Skamp said: Volumes on mute at the moment but that girl in the middle gets my vote to replace Lineker. Alex Scott? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheat Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 Netherlands over celebrating getting through the group stages a little imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBO Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 They were just pleased they don't have to play at that shithole again 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 England getting found out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Hanging in there though, Ty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) Quality goal from Stanway but Spain have thrown this away. Taking Esther off for a defensive midfielder helped England as Spain lost the deep lying runner Edited July 20, 2022 by Tylluan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Only one team in it after Spain scored, pretty embarrassing really as there was only one team in it before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 And your prize for winning A trip to play at the Lane If Carlsberg did shit outcomes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said: And your prize for winning A trip to play at the Lane If Carlsberg did shit outcomes I'll be there. Bizarrely currently sat in Spain watching England beat Spain 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Tylluan said: Quality goal from Stanway but Spain have thrown this away. Taking Esther off for a defensive midfielder helped England as Spain lost the deep lying runner Ty, explain to me why anyone can get credited with an ’assist’ on the winner, when it was clearly a solo effort. BBC claiming it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheat Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 16 minutes ago, Beaconowl said: Ty, explain to me why anyone can get credited with an ’assist’ on the winner, when it was clearly a solo effort. BBC claiming it Same as a goal for me. It can be a tap in where someone else did all the work, it’s still credited to the player that put it over the line. So whoever passed to the scorer gets the assist whether it’s a defence splitting through ball or a two yard tap. Not that anyone should get too excited about assists imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 6 hours ago, cheat said: Same as a goal for me. It can be a tap in where someone else did all the work, it’s still credited to the player that put it over the line. So whoever passed to the scorer gets the assist whether it’s a defence splitting through ball or a two yard tap. Not that anyone should get too excited about assists imo. The only duller stat than assists, well after possession, is expected goals. All of it is a nonsense really as boring cliche alert the only stat that matters is the scoreline when the ref blows the full time whistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Cheat, I can't explain that one but Mk is right in that the only stat that counts is the scoreline. Shots on goal is another prime example. I think Spain ended up with 28 to England's 3. The commentators were garbage though. Soon after they'd scored the Spanish 10 saw the keeper off her line and executed a fantastic lob from out wide that the keeper had to back pedal and push onto the bar. Both commentators yelling miss hit cross and she didn't mean it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted July 21, 2022 Author Share Posted July 21, 2022 Fair play England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) I still don't understand what expected goals means. I understand it in the plain English sense but thats all. Edited July 21, 2022 by Skamp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M42Owl Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Am I alone in thinking that the keeper was at fault for England’s winner. Decent run and shot, a bit of the Bobby Charlton’s, but it was hardly “top corner”. Where was the keeper? Poorly positioned way too far to the left. Should have been able to palm it away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamOwl Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 14 minutes ago, Skamp said: I still don't understand what expected goals means. I understand it in the plain English sense but thats all. I think it refers to the quality of the chances a team has had, and how many of those they should be expected to take. There’s so much subjectivity and variables involved though such as performance of the opposition goalkeeper that it makes it irrelevant for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, M42Owl said: Am I alone in thinking that the keeper was at fault for England’s winner. Decent run and shot, a bit of the Bobby Charlton’s, but it was hardly “top corner”. Where was the keeper? Poorly positioned way too far to the left. Should have been able to palm it away. I thought the same at the time. But as they say, a goals a goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted July 21, 2022 Author Share Posted July 21, 2022 The only stats that truly matter are goals for and against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M42Owl Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 13 minutes ago, Skamp said: I still don't understand what expected goals means. I understand it in the plain English sense but thats all. Expected goals is an interesting stat, but it’s subjective. Who decides that a chance is 90% likely to turn into a goal or 5%? I suspect that it’s Opta that decides, but what qualifies them to decide? What criteria do they use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 minute ago, LiamOwl said: I think it refers to the quality of the chances a team has had, and how many of those they should be expected to take. There’s so much subjectivity and variables involved though such as performance of the opposition goalkeeper that it makes it irrelevant for me. It's all spotty youth playing FIFA 22 crap isn't it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) What a comeback that was last night. At half time we'd hardly had a kick. I was very impressed with Spain for about the first hour: more organised, harder working, better tactics and they got stuck into our key players quite cynically early on - Beth Mead was clogged two or three times with nominal interest in the ball. (Highly amusing that they were claiming foul play over the equalising goal, and that at least one of them could see the alleged incident from the subs bench in the stand better than multiple cameras could!) When Mead was subbed, Spain must have felt that they'd cracked it completely. At half time England hadn't had a legit effort on goal. Whilst we'd got into the game later in the 2nd half, we were still going out imminently before we suddenly scored. Our substitutes had a major effect and started changing the game from their introduction. Fitting then that it was two subs that provided the saving goal. Into extra time and it was largely England attacking but that opened space for slick Spain counter attacks. Everyone will have seen the second England goal: straight out of the Bobby Charlton 1966 playbook. And no, he wouldn't have worried about what the rival keeper did either. Wonderful to see Spain now attacking desperately, complaining about everything, long balls and being run off the ball expertly for goal kicks. The tables had turned completely! So good to see. The show goes on! Millie Bright had a major game in defence. She really has come a long way over the last few years. Keira Walsh had a massive second half after being targetted and shut down in the first. Had to go off with serious cramp long before the end but later dancing with the others so hopefully ok. Rachel Daly was also targetted at full back, double teamed, including some thuggery. Hopefully she'll be ok next round. Of the subs, Russo, highly mobile and putting herself about at centre forward was much less to Spain's liking and Toone scored the vital equaliser neatly. One player I really respect is the new skipper, Leah Williamson. Classy player, impressive character. Now we can relax and enjoy the other q/f's. Edited July 21, 2022 by Owling_Wolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 Having reflected on it for a few days, I think the manager deserves some credit, the subs really changed the game. Obviously the ones you mentioned, but Alex Greenwood (who I'm not a huge fan of) also, thought she changed the game for the better too. Being able to bring on the experience of Jill Scott and Nikita Parrish at the end to see it out too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 I'll be honest women's football isn't for me but I've watched all the England games. There's some positives like the lack of dissent and feigning injuries and the massive improvement of technical standards compared to what I've seen in the past. The keeping is still very very poor though. Negatives are the over hyping and bullshit claims by commentators and pundits alike plus the family atmosphere but I get why that is. As a tournament it has been a success and the Dutch/Swedes embraced our city, the council who last year refused to accommodate the clamour for a big screen for the men's team have been bending over backwards this time so that hopefully stays should Gaz get his team deep in the tournament in Qatar but doubt it 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 United have fallen on their feet to cop for an England semi-final on Tuesday night. Our city gets to enjoy the Swedes again, too. Let's hope it's England that prevails and we see if we can take the final prize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 No idea how this is still 0-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 26 minutes ago, Skamp said: No idea how this is still 0-0 Band putting off the strikers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 9 hours ago, Reesh said: I'll be honest women's football isn't for me but I've watched all the England games. There's some positives like the lack of dissent and feigning injuries and the massive improvement of technical standards compared to what I've seen in the past. The keeping is still very very poor though. Negatives are the over hyping and bullshit claims by commentators and pundits alike plus the family atmosphere but I get why that is. As a tournament it has been a success and the Dutch/Swedes embraced our city, the council who last year refused to accommodate the clamour for a big screen for the men's team have been bending over backwards this time so that hopefully stays should Gaz get his team deep in the tournament in Qatar but doubt it Never understood why they use the same size nets as the men's game. Women are smaller than men, Chris Turner was always considered small for a keeper and he's 5'10". The lionesses don't have a keeper over 5'8". Plus, you think it's tough finding a keeper for a lads team, it's nigh on impossible for a girls team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, Otto_Man said: Never understood why they use the same size nets as the men's game. Women are smaller than men, Chris Turner was always considered small for a keeper and he's 5'10". The lionesses don't have a keeper over 5'8". Plus, you think it's tough finding a keeper for a lads team, it's nigh on impossible for a girls team... That's surprised me. Ellie Roebuck looks miles taller than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowls Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 On 21/07/2022 at 08:27, M42Owl said: Expected goals is an interesting stat, but it’s subjective. Who decides that a chance is 90% likely to turn into a goal or 5%? I suspect that it’s Opta that decides, but what qualifies them to decide? What criteria do they use? Previous data decides. You look at past matches - I assume the model for this looks at a huge number - and the proportion of times a particular situation led to a goal will be the contribution to xG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Fowls said: Previous data decides. You look at past matches - I assume the model for this looks at a huge number - and the proportion of times a particular situation led to a goal will be the contribution to xG. I mean I understand the concept, but its still a stat for the sake of a stat. I can come away from a game and ponder how did we lose that, or jeez we got away with that. These stats will show my judgement was right but its that way round. It may provide an excuse for the manager that is it. What these stats never show is the last 5 minute impact. The previous 85 minutes you can have all the stats you want, but they go out the window 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCraigsOwl Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 22 hours ago, Reesh said: The keeping is still very very poor though. As a tournament it has been a success and the Dutch/Swedes embraced our city, the council who last year refused to accommodate the clamour for a big screen for the men's team have been bending over backwards this time so that hopefully stays should Gaz get his team deep in the tournament in Qatar but doubt it Agree re the goalkeeping, hence why I don't watch it. The outfield players can be as skilful and tricky as they like but if the lassie between the sticks is worse than anything I've seen in goals for Wednesday, the whole game becomes a bogey so they can forget it. As to your second point, are you doubting the Council will show the same attitude re the big screen or that Southgate will take England deep into the tournament? Or both?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowls Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 6 hours ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said: I mean I understand the concept, but its still a stat for the sake of a stat. I can come away from a game and ponder how did we lose that, or jeez we got away with that. These stats will show my judgement was right but its that way round. It may provide an excuse for the manager that is it. What these stats never show is the last 5 minute impact. The previous 85 minutes you can have all the stats you want, but they go out the window Speaking more generally, data driven analysis is at its most useful when it goes against what you think or previously thought. It does not mean that you should immediately change your opinion, but that you should try to understand why the difference exists. xG (or most of its components) isn’t useful for me, but if a club aren’t using data in their analysis of performances they’re at a severe disadvantage. I’ve only used data that describes people and whilst one person is not necessarily predictable, groups of people with similar characteristics are - hugely so. Applying that to football, a game can have a mistake, a bit of quality, or a controversial refereeing decision that decides the game and whilst they can’t be predicted, over several games their impact is lessened. It gives you another way of looking at the game, or a series of games, without necessarily focusing on results. As a fan though, it either confirms what you saw, or maybe gives you a hint that you might be a little biased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sentinel Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 (edited) On 09/07/2022 at 22:26, Skamp said: Interestingly, and hardly a surprise to many, but lots of the women admiting to be gay. Unlike the men's game where the silence is deafening. It's a testosterone fuelled physical game, all this 'there should be more gay footballers' is utter crap (yes there will be some but not the stupid % the LGBTQ+GODKNOWSWHAT think there should be), and (IMHO) if women are testosterone fuelled they are more likely to be gay. Mrs Sentinel taught cabin crew at college where they also had a hairdressing course and floristry, and she said to a man all the blokes on those courses were gay-because they aren't testosterone fuelled careers, rather the opposite. 🤔 Edited July 26, 2022 by The Sentinel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sentinel Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 On 11/07/2022 at 10:44, Andyben said: See, that's what gets me - why do people think that there should be more gays in football? If we accept that, for example, hairdressing as a profession tends to attract more gay men - isn't the reverse possible when it comes to football? Nail on head mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl71 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Interesting. The players sing the national anthem, whilst most of the fans don’t. It’s usually the other way round with the men’s team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Lovely taken goal that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Get in!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 GTFI! C'mon England, lets finish it off and go all the way for a change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, Reesh said: Lovely taken goal that Best balanced woman player I've seen, Reesh. Having a dream tournament so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Only thing shitter than England that half are my seats in this shit hole of a ground. Thank God I booked them last October...🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, Otto_Man said: Only thing shitter than England that half are my seats in this shit hole of a ground. Thank God I booked them last October...🤔 Make sure you have a shower with your clothes on later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 2-0!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said: Make sure you have a shower with your clothes on later. First time my daughter's been to the stain and she's disgusted. Says the toilets don't flush and are full to the brim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Cheeky little fuck of a goal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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