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8 minutes ago, Neville Facking Bartos said:

Not really she’s been one of the favourites from the off

Agreed. But not in the same way as Truss or Sunak. 

Let's see what tomorrow brings anyway. The heat will soon start being turned up with 'policies' being more closely examined. 

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On 13/07/2022 at 23:06, Neville Facking Bartos said:

It will be her vs Sunak in my opinion, I thought she’d get it on the news of his resignation 

I’m sticking by it 

 

Her vs Sunak or Truss vs Sunak is the most likely outcome according to polls.

Her vs Truss, I wouldn't like to put money on.

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Penny Mordaunt?  The Penny Mordaunt who, during the Brexit referendum campaign, repeatedly (and incorrectly) denied that the UK had a veto on new EU members during an interview with Andrew Marr? 🤣 Just the kind of intellectual heavyweight with a firm grasp of detail we need running the country at a dangerous time.

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24 minutes ago, Neville Facking Bartos said:

Truss ahead according to polling but Sunak should overcome that as Truss is too wishy washy on issues

Both are establishment candidates. Fresh start was required and this doesn't deliver that, from the minute either of them are installed the calls for a GE will start to cut through

Truss - Establishemnt.

Went to a comprehensive school in Leeds

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The smear campaign against Mordaunt was to keep her away from Sunek in the final two ballot. A true Conservative in name and in values. 

The Mail was well briefed although briefed inaccurately but these things tend to stick when the herd are following a particular sheep. 

 

The dog fight we see now will get very messy, very messy indeed and as JBO rightly says, we'll done the Parliamentary Party, you've opened the door to Starmer. It's his to lose and my only hope is that Labour seek to position themselves back to the far left as they see the open goal in front of them and fuck it up. Which they have a track record of doing. 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Skamp said:

The smear campaign against Mordaunt was to keep her away from Sunek in the final two ballot. A true Conservative in name and in values. 

The Mail was well briefed although briefed inaccurately but these things tend to stick when the herd are following a particular sheep. 

 

The dog fight we see now will get very messy, very messy indeed and as JBO rightly says, we'll done the Parliamentary Party, you've opened the door to Starmer. It's his to lose and my only hope is that Labour seek to position themselves back to the far left as they see the open goal in front of them and fuck it up. Which they have a track record of doing. 

 

 

 

 

Tonya Blair would have drafted in All the May bits like Ellwood and watereD Brexit down to nowt.

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Sunak is the only candidate in the Tory leadership race who seems to recognise economic reality.  
 

Truss promises large scale tax cuts and a review of the Bank of England’s mandate to control monetary policy at a time when inflation is 9.4% and public debt is 107% of gdp, and quite a few areas of public spending increases are either already locked in or urgently needed.  But she tells the Tory rank and file the kind of things they like hearing, so she’ll probably win.

Its a contest between competent but easily dislikeable on the one hand, and  hard working but clueless (though at least she can remember the details of treaties we’ve signed) on the other.  I have a feeling we’ll being seeing Keir Starmer in number 10 in a couple of years time either way.  However I am genuinely fearful of the mess he may inherit if Truss wins.

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3 hours ago, Andyben said:

So experienced then, but certainly not establishment.

What I was getting at is it was an opportunity for a fresh start. Not endorsing any but Tugenhadt, Badenoch and Mordaunt (to a lesser extent) would have ensured that. Sunak and Truss have both been integral parts of fuck up after fuck up, although you might call it experience.

 

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Petition underway by the party members to get Boris' name added to the ballot paper. They didn't choose to remove him being the rationale. 

 

Sunak may just struggle to shake off his Judas move on Johnson and/ or his smug look. 

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On 21/07/2022 at 20:51, Neville Facking Bartos said:

What I was getting at is it was an opportunity for a fresh start. Not endorsing any but Tugenhadt, Badenoch and Mordaunt (to a lesser extent) would have ensured that. Sunak and Truss have both been integral parts of fuck up after fuck up, although you might call it experience.

 

Fresh starts need to be determined by the entire electorate, not the tiny minority of obsessive oddballs who can be bothered with joining political parties.

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Why would you describe members of a political party as 'obsessive oddballs"?

People with a Sheffield Wednesday membership, are they also 'obsessive oddballs'?

Members of a Trade Union? 

WI?

At least there'll be no block votes.  The biggest danger is that a large number spoil the ballot paper by writing 'Boris' on it and the backstabbing slime ball gets in as a consequence. 

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Just over 1% of the UK population are members of political parties, Labour approx 400k, Tories 160k, Lib Dems 100k, SNP 120k, Greens 50k.  
 

Point stands about “fresh start” being nonsense.  We have a parliamentary democracy, not a presidential one.  Tories are the ruling party because they won an election.  Their leader has resigned due to his personal integrity being shattered by being repeatedly, and publicly, proven a liar.  He’s not resigned over policy, and it shouldn’t really be used as an excuse for policy u-turns because UK cabinet government has long operated under the principle of collective responsibility.  Sunak and Truss were in senior government positions when all recent policy was made.   It’s much needed house cleaning, but nobody has any right to expect a fresh start, or present it as such.

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Debatable.  Liz Truss is promising to take some huge economic risks.  Nothing about changing the BoE’s job was mentioned in the Tory manifesto in the last election.  If she gets to do these things it will be because she won an election of Conservative party members, who make up 0.25% of the UK.  Maybe her own parliamentary party will show some backbone and won’t let her carry out these ideas.  In which case we will very quickly end up with a lame duck PM, and probably another leadership election…which 160k people will get to vote in.

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On 23/07/2022 at 11:40, Andyben said:

...how did Gordon Brown become PM?

Tony gave him the nod.

Whoever wins, the first priority is ensuring that Starmer and growler don't get anywhere near power.

Work to do.

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Sunak is a little shit, but what he offers is basically the same policies, the ones the electorate voted for, with a bit less dishonesty and general sociopathic twatishness than Boris.  He should win, but probably won’t.  Truss is promising major policy shifts which she has no democratic mandate for.  If she really wants to do these things she should call a general election if she wins the leadership.

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No democratic mandate for?

Isn't she saying she'll do the things that were variously promised I'm 2016&2019?

Anyway, show me any PM that has only, and completely, implemented every part of its GE mandate.

The slab of liver in a suit has just said he'll reneg on the 10 promises he made during his own post Corbyn leadership battle hasn't he?

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They'll promise folk the world until they get elected & then come up with all kinds of shit as to why they can't 

Glad Mordaunt didn't get in, everyone has got different views but the way she treated disabled folk was disgusting 

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