Paul from Wisewood Posted January 4 Posted January 4 2 minutes ago, Harry Lime said: Rovrum.😂 Nope, that could break him. I'd keep going with him, I've a feeling that when the dam bursts he'll be away. Would they even want him Quote
Reesh Posted January 4 Author Posted January 4 4 minutes ago, Chelters said: I hate to say it but I don’t think Otegbayo is quite ready yet. Great that he scored today and he has promise but he always looks shaky to me. is Ihiekwe injured? I know he’s not the greatest at this level but he’s a good communicator and gets his head on the ball. Ihiekwe is still needing minutes before getting back in the first team per Röhl I agree Otegbayo isn't quite ready yet as he is very raw but his career trajectory has been very quick and needs to be honed. 1 Quote
Harry Lime Posted January 4 Posted January 4 3 minutes ago, Paul from Wisewood said: Would they even want him I think it's all in his head, he just needs to work his way through it. He did come close just before the penalty. Well, I'm hoping so anyway. Could be a replacement for Wilks if they send him back though. Nope, I want to hang onto him and see him come good. Quote
Tylluan Posted January 4 Posted January 4 24 minutes ago, Paul from Wisewood said: A loan? I also thought that. Give him five months in a league where he doesn't have the weight of expectation he has here. Send him back into Europe or even see if an MLS team will take him while they're still in pre-season. The lad needs to clear his head, especially after today. Walking into that changing room and then the training ground on Monday with teammates trying to put an arm round him and telling him it's ok and not to worry isn't going to work. But, if the reason behind the loan is explained and the guarantee is given that he's not just being binned off then I actually think he'd jump at the chance. Make Smith your main forward, interspersed with Lowe and Paterson and maybe a loanee. If no loanee then give McNeill more chance of game time. Or bring Bailey back. 2 Quote
mkowl Posted January 4 Posted January 4 41 minutes ago, Chelters said: I hate to say it but I don’t think Otegbayo is quite ready yet. Great that he scored today and he has promise but he always looks shaky to me. is Ihiekwe injured? I know he’s not the greatest at this level but he’s a good communicator and gets his head on the ball. I think it is very different if he comes on as part of a 3 He came on in a 2 which is more onerous. 1 Quote
Teddy Nickelarse Posted January 4 Posted January 4 2 hours ago, Reesh said: Gassama was decent pretty much all game but you fail to see it, it's obvious why, at least try and hide your blatant bigotry. 100%. Loads of tactical hindsight going on in this thread too. We lost today 'cos we hit the woodwork 3 times and missed a penalty ffs. Quote
Teddy Nickelarse Posted January 4 Posted January 4 49 minutes ago, Chelters said: I hate to say it but I don’t think Otegbayo is quite ready yet. Great that he scored today and he has promise but he always looks shaky to me. is Ihiekwe injured? I know he’s not the greatest at this level but he’s a good communicator and gets his head on the ball. Agreed. Not ready for this level yet. Can't spare him as things are but a half season loan in League 2 would be best for him. At only 19 he's one for the future.... but real potential IMO. 1 Quote
Teddy Nickelarse Posted January 4 Posted January 4 2 hours ago, HoylandOwl said: Chalobah, Bannan and Charles works very well IMO. Chalobah definitely getting up to speed now. Quote
Reesh Posted January 4 Author Posted January 4 14 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said: Shit stirring bald gimp Quote
Reesh Posted January 4 Author Posted January 4 17 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said: 100%. Loads of tactical hindsight going on in this thread too. We lost today 'cos we hit the woodwork 3 times and missed a penalty ffs. Drew 😀 1 Quote
mkowl Posted January 4 Posted January 4 12 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said: That has caused a stir elsewhere unsurprisingly. Rohl comes across as an organised chap, wants potential targets in early in the window not flapping around on the 31st Jan. Makes sense if you need strengthening then why hang around and that is 3 extra games you can utilise them. Chansiri on the other hand is more off the cuff, probably likes to be in the UK to do with transfers, presume he is due soon and certainly in 11 days. Quote
mkowl Posted January 4 Posted January 4 3 minutes ago, Reesh said: Shit stirring bald gimp Bit harsh on Tee 1 Quote
Teddy Nickelarse Posted January 4 Posted January 4 9 minutes ago, Canterburyowl said: Statons being dramatic a bit of a nob as per. Quote
mkowl Posted January 4 Posted January 4 20 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said: 100%. Loads of tactical hindsight going on in this thread too. We lost today 'cos we hit the woodwork 3 times and missed a penalty ffs. Had you left the ground when we equalised then. I mean it would be a really shit football fan forum if we didn't discuss the game and tactics. Ok we are not trained in the job but there are many years of football watching to offer considered opinions. I would say mine is as much superstition because once you fuck about with a penalty then miss it, I think most of us had that feeling what was going to happen. The fact Rob O'Neil was saying how poor Millwall were was another factor. Poor commentary today, not really fussed what Giles Coke has for his breakfast Quote
HoylandOwl Posted January 4 Posted January 4 8 minutes ago, mkowl said: Bit harsh on Tee HAHAHA! Quote
Teddy Nickelarse Posted January 4 Posted January 4 3 minutes ago, Reesh said: Drew 😀 😊 ..... just felt like a loss. All the same, woodwork 3 times, miss a penalty, main striker goalless again, defensive errors again; but blame the starting of Gassama and Musaba! Gassama frightened the shit out of their defenders who often doubled up on him. Musaba not great but not too shabby either. 1 Quote
HoylandOwl Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Looking at the fallout on social media, it's EASY to see why people are worried. We've got the '11 days' comment from DR, which people are automatically suggesting that it's down to hearing from the chairman at the forum and there's nothing going to happen before then. Maybe that's the case, but also, the transfer window is a month long. It's not beyond the pale that we've got things lined up but need the 'sign off' so it does have to wait until DC arrives. WE just don't know. I suspect DR knows what's what though. Quote
Harry Lime Posted January 4 Posted January 4 1 minute ago, Teddy Nickelarse said: 😊 ..... just felt like a loss. All the same, woodwork 3 times, miss a penalty, main striker goalless again, defensive errors again; but blame the starting of Gassama and Musaba! Gassama frightened the shit out of their defenders who often doubled up on him. Musaba not great but not too shabby either. There's a reason we're shipping goals. The defence is shaky as it is and needs protecting as much as possible. The fact that we're top of the table for points gained from losing positions is great, but how did we get there in the first place, not great. Fact is, there's room for both players, just not together. First half good, but sussed out and basically ineffective in the second. Quote
Tank_Owl2,0 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Tbf it didn’t sound promising from the way he answered. I’d normally just expect him to deflect or say we’ll see. DR will know what he’s doing though Quote
Teddy Nickelarse Posted January 4 Posted January 4 2 minutes ago, mkowl said: Had you left the ground when we equalised then. I mean it would be a really shit football fan forum if we didn't discuss the game and tactics. Ok we are not trained in the job but there are many years of football watching to offer considered opinions. I would say mine is as much superstition because once you fuck about with a penalty then miss it, I think most of us had that feeling what was going to happen. The fact Rob O'Neil was saying how poor Millwall were was another factor. Poor commentary today, not really fussed what Giles Coke has for his breakfast No. Old brain fart is all. Agree - but you don't need to be clairvoyant to predict some comments. Penalty choice was odd. I was not confident. There was a whiff of great team togetherness surrounding the calamity though - before and after. That much was good to see. Giles Coke? Quote
Teddy Nickelarse Posted January 4 Posted January 4 2 minutes ago, Harry Lime said: There's a reason we're shipping goals. The defence is shaky as it is and needs protecting as much as possible. The fact that we're top of the table for points gained from losing positions is great, but how did we get there in the first place, not great. Fact is, there's room for both players, just not together. First half good, but sussed out and basically ineffective in the second. We dropped two points because we hit the woodwork 3 times and missed a penalty not because of playing those two together. 1 Quote
Paul from Wisewood Posted January 4 Posted January 4 21 minutes ago, mkowl said: Had you left the ground when we equalised then. I mean it would be a really shit football fan forum if we didn't discuss the game and tactics. Ok we are not trained in the job but there are many years of football watching to offer considered opinions. I would say mine is as much superstition because once you fuck about with a penalty then miss it, I think most of us had that feeling what was going to happen. The fact Rob O'Neil was saying how poor Millwall were was another factor. Poor commentary today, not really fussed what Giles Coke has for his breakfast Loads left when their second went in, don’t get it, especially as we are always likely to make some sort of come back with this group 2 Quote
Harry Lime Posted January 4 Posted January 4 5 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said: We dropped two points because we hit the woodwork 3 times and missed a penalty not because of playing those two together. Not according to DR, it's the shipping of the goals that's letting us down. Have a listen to him. He'll eventually twig it. TBH I was only a bit sceptical when I saw the line up as I was thinking Millwall aren't much cop anyway. Next league game is against Leeds, I hope to god he doesn't start both then. Save them both for the second half would be my advice. Quote
Tewksbury Posted January 4 Posted January 4 14 minutes ago, Tank_Owl2,0 said: Tbf it didn’t sound promising from the way he answered. I’d normally just expect him to deflect or say we’ll see. DR will know what he’s doing though Think is, he's not daft. He knows exactly what they're angling for and he's just told them to go straight to Chansiri if they want something to bash him with rather than looking for a soundbites from Rohl. When was the last time Wednesday said they had even a sniff of a transfer before they were in the building? Our transfer news comes from other clubs leaking, or Att's Instagram. He always sounds pissed off when they ask him because they won't stop asking stupid questions that he's not going to answer. Quote
Teddy Nickelarse Posted January 4 Posted January 4 2 minutes ago, Harry Lime said: Not according to DR, it's the shipping of the goals that's letting us down. Have a listen to him. He'll eventually twig it. TBH I was only a bit sceptical when I saw the line up as I was thinking Millwall aren't much cop anyway. Next league game is against Leeds, I hope to god he doesn't start both then. Save them both for the second half would be my advice. Of course he's concerned about defensive mistakes but its clear inspite of errors, if just one if the three attempts that hit the woodwork went in, or we score from the penalty - we win. Blaming the selection if those two for the mistakes of other individuals just doesn't wash. 2 Quote
Harry Lime Posted January 4 Posted January 4 1 minute ago, Teddy Nickelarse said: Of course he's concerned about defensive mistakes but its clear inspite of errors, if just one if the three attempts that hit the woodwork went in, or we score from the penalty - we win. Blaming the selection if those two for the mistakes of other individuals just doesn't wash. OK mate. We'll agree to disagree. Well I will anyway. Let's see what happens v Leeds, or Coventry for that matter next week. Quote
KrolMong Posted January 4 Posted January 4 38 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said: Looking at the fallout on social media, it's EASY to see why people are worried. We've got the '11 days' comment from DR, which people are automatically suggesting that it's down to hearing from the chairman at the forum and there's nothing going to happen before then. Maybe that's the case, but also, the transfer window is a month long. It's not beyond the pale that we've got things lined up but need the 'sign off' so it does have to wait until DC arrives. WE just don't know. I suspect DR knows what's what though. I think it is very important to understand German mentality here. He will not be anything other honest and direct. There will be no hidden messages. He’s very much saying that you need to ask the owner in two weeks about the status of any business will do this month. Which is 100% accurate and the case. The manager targets the players, the owner/club pays for them, and how much we do/don’t invest is very much at the owners discretion. 3 Quote
Teddy Nickelarse Posted January 4 Posted January 4 8 minutes ago, Harry Lime said: OK mate. We'll agree to disagree. Well I will anyway. Let's see what happens v Leeds, or Coventry for that matter next week. Ok. Coventry will likely see a fair few changes. There will be a different approach at Leeds to today. Far different challenge. Hopefully we'll have a couple of new players in. Not heard anything yet but Valery and Iorfa went off with what looked like muscle issues. Hopefully just cramp. Quote
Harry Lime Posted January 4 Posted January 4 7 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said: There will be a different approach at Leeds to today. I know. Select a similar side as he did today and we'll get roasted. Surely Ingelsson and/or Kobacki should get a start. 9 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said: Not heard anything yet but Valery and Iorfa went off with what looked like muscle issues. Iorfa's reaction didn't look good, not sure about Valery's. Quote
Teddy Nickelarse Posted January 4 Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Harry Lime said: I know. Select a similar side as he did today and we'll get roasted. Surely Ingelsson and/or Kobacki should get a start. Iorfa's reaction didn't look good, not sure about Valery's. Would love to see Kobacki make an impact but suspect it'll not be against Leeds. Re. Valery and Iorfa - this is what Röhl said: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/scan-for-sheffield-wednesday-man-as-owls-face-double-defensive-injury-concern-4930380 Fingers crossed as they'll be needed if there are no incomings. Interesting what he said about the cup game - clearly not his priority. 1 Quote
mkowl Posted January 4 Posted January 4 2 hours ago, Teddy Nickelarse said: No. Old brain fart is all. Agree - but you don't need to be clairvoyant to predict some comments. Penalty choice was odd. I was not confident. There was a whiff of great team togetherness surrounding the calamity though - before and after. That much was good to see. Giles Coke? Was on commentary as John Pearson was ill 1 Quote
Harry Lime Posted January 5 Posted January 5 Bit gutted after watching this. I was sat here with a broad grin thinking we got a new Socrates on our hands and then I googled the old lad, sorry to say he passed away in 2011 IIRC aged 57 so RIP mate. As for Gabriel, keep them feet on the ground mate, work hard and listen to the old pro's and manager, which it sounds like you are doing, and if Bannan mentions Celtic, just tell him to FRO, it's a graveyard for young Owls players. Quote
Owling_Wolf Posted January 5 Posted January 5 5 hours ago, Teddy Nickelarse said: 😊 ..... just felt like a loss. All the same, woodwork 3 times, miss a penalty, main striker goalless again, defensive errors again; but blame the starting of Gassama and Musaba! Gassama frightened the shit out of their defenders who often doubled up on him. Musaba not great but not too shabby either. This was Musaba's best recent game by a country mile! A candidate for MOTM. 1 Quote
Owling_Wolf Posted January 5 Posted January 5 2 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said: This was Musaba's best recent game by a country mile! A candidate for MOTM. Did you go? 4 Quote
Teddy Nickelarse Posted January 5 Posted January 5 17 hours ago, Tank_Owl2,0 said: Is the pitch that bad? RS keep mentioning it, it’s ok isn’t it? Compared to pre DC days the pitch is terrific. Not as mint this time of year as some pitches we see on TV but absolutely fine to play on. Last winter I heard a P or G caller describe it as an embarrassment so made a point of going pitch side next match. Was sandy but absolutely fine then too and didn't cut up during the match either. Quote
HoylandOwl Posted January 5 Posted January 5 The bits where the keepers warm up pre game look a bit patchy, and probably worse on TV where it looks a bit threadbare (especially in front of the Lepp). Quote
Teddy Nickelarse Posted January 5 Posted January 5 Just now, HoylandOwl said: The bits where the keepers warm up pre game look a bit patchy, and probably worse on TV where it looks a bit threadbare (especially in front of the Lepp). Yes there is wear there. Half time both teams had the subs doing warm up drills in a confined area too. No surprise that there is more sign of wear in those areas Pitch is fine in general though. Quote
MAL Posted January 5 Posted January 5 Ah the pitch isn't up to standard now according to Radio Shit Sheffield I haven't seen or heard from any player, ours or the opponents, about the pitch. If there was something wrong with the pitch, you would think that the players would NOT be sliding on their knees on a regular basis. 1 Quote
Kiwi Owl Posted January 5 Posted January 5 The penalty should have been given to Ugbo had we been 3 or 4-0 up. Not at 1-0 or 2-0. Completely understand trying to get him a goal but the 2nd practically ends the game. We were dominating that match. Absolutely no need for Bannan to have given that free kick away that led to their equaliser. Glad we got a point in the end as after they took the lead, it felt like Cardiff at home last season. Should have been out of sight and won comfortably, yet somehow staring at a defeat. Finally, give Windass a go as the lone striker with Musaba and Gassama as the wide attack players at home. I remember many on here kept moaning that we had no pace. Both of those wide players caused all sorts of problems for Millwall in that first half we dominated but I'd much rather they were both wide forwards than one being the wide wing back of a 4. 1 Quote
Teddy Nickelarse Posted January 5 Posted January 5 18 hours ago, Owling_Wolf said: This was Musaba's best recent game by a country mile! A candidate for MOTM. Just seen the TV highlights and yes, fair do's, Musaba with an assist, hit the post and brought down for the penalty. Anyway just reinforced the gyst of what I'd been posting. When you factor in Gassama's eye catching work, especially first half, and that he too hit the post you'd have to say that them playing together was hardly detrimental yesterday. The goals conceded being from a free kick, miscued by Windass, and a shot that Beadle should have kept out. Quote
Owling_Wolf Posted January 6 Posted January 6 13 hours ago, Teddy Nickelarse said: Just seen the TV highlights and yes, fair do's, Musaba with an assist, hit the post and brought down for the penalty. Anyway just reinforced the gyst of what I'd been posting. When you factor in Gassama's eye catching work, especially first half, and that he too hit the post you'd have to say that them playing together was hardly detrimental yesterday. The goals conceded being from a free kick, miscued by Windass, and a shot that Beadle should have kept out. Thank you. Agreed ref Beadle but to be fair to him that was a very well hit shot. Quote
Otto_Man Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Not sure I've seen it mentioned, but anyone else think Leonard should have walked for his cynical pull back on Gassama? Really irks me when a player's already on a yellow, commits that type of foul that's a yellow any other day of the week, but they don't get cautioned because they're already on a booking. Equivalent of when a penno isn't given for something that's a foul anywhere else on the field 😡 2 Quote
mkowl Posted January 6 Posted January 6 7 minutes ago, Otto_Man said: Not sure I've seen it mentioned, but anyone else think Leonard should have walked for his cynical pull back on Gassama? Really irks me when a player's already on a yellow, commits that type of foul that's a yellow any other day of the week, but they don't get cautioned because they're already on a booking. Equivalent of when a penno isn't given for something that's a foul anywhere else on the field 😡 I mean it was very much last warning territory from the ref I do get your sentiment but equally we want to see 11 v 11 most the time and you would have to accept our players do similar. I think there was a call re Bannan at some point Pack got sent off for Pompey for doing a Bernard - though that was clear cut The one in the Fulham game not given was more Pack as well Quote
Owling_Wolf Posted January 6 Posted January 6 8 minutes ago, Otto_Man said: Not sure I've seen it mentioned, but anyone else think Leonard should have walked for his cynical pull back on Gassama? Really irks me when a player's already on a yellow, commits that type of foul that's a yellow any other day of the week, but they don't get cautioned because they're already on a booking. Equivalent of when a penno isn't given for something that's a foul anywhere else on the field 😡 Yes. My mate's lad went bananas, specifically 'cos he'd been booked already but being ex-United didn't help. Quote
Owling_Wolf Posted January 6 Posted January 6 1 minute ago, mkowl said: I mean it was very much last warning territory from the ref I do get your sentiment but equally we want to see 11 v 11 most the time and you would have to accept our players do similar. I think there was a call re Bannan at some point Pack got sent off for Pompey for doing a Bernard - though that was clear cut The one in the Fulham game not given was more Pack as well Speaking of our players, Charles has been doing it routinely in the last several games. I wish he wouldn't as we don't want him out. Quote
Reesh Posted January 6 Author Posted January 6 29 minutes ago, Otto_Man said: Not sure I've seen it mentioned, but anyone else think Leonard should have walked for his cynical pull back on Gassama? Really irks me when a player's already on a yellow, commits that type of foul that's a yellow any other day of the week, but they don't get cautioned because they're already on a booking. Equivalent of when a penno isn't given for something that's a foul anywhere else on the field 😡 Saville should have gone for the tackle on Charles, vile 1 Quote
Owling_Wolf Posted January 6 Posted January 6 1 minute ago, Reesh said: Saville should have gone for the tackle on Charles, vile Charles took clog repeatedly. One was certainly fairly evil. Quote
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