owl4ever1867 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 5 minutes ago, Reesh said: Should be 3-0 up We know what will happen. And right on queue....... Quote
mkowl Posted January 4 Posted January 4 7 minutes ago, mkowl said: Going to lose this Predictable Quote
mkowl Posted January 4 Posted January 4 I mean i am going to say after 5 games in 2 weeks perhaps the way this played out is no surprise. Things we know 1) A centre half with leadership qualities is essential 2) Musaba and Gassama starting does not really work 3) Bannan is on his last legs 4) Chalobah is not going to be the answer to the Bannan conundrum Quote
mkowl Posted January 4 Posted January 4 3 minutes ago, Andyben said: Chalobah is an absolute Rolls Royce of a player. See I see more Austin Allegro, Quote
Andyben Posted January 4 Posted January 4 4 minutes ago, mkowl said: See I see more Austin Allegro, Edge Lord Quote
KrolMong Posted January 4 Posted January 4 We were riddled with horror mistakes. 1. Decision making, which has led to the pen miss. You don’t give a pen up at 1-0 to a striker who is so far off the pace that he shouldn’t be in the squad, never mind team. 2. He then did as expected. He missed the pen 3. The defending for the first was frankly embarrassing, its bounced through our centre halves. 4. For the second. It was a horror mistake from Beadle. Near post on his side and he’s shown biscuit wrists. 5. We’ve missed too many good chances outside of the pen. 6. Millwall went ale house, and then so did our back four. Bannan, Charles and then Chalobah were bollocking the defenders for consistently giving the ball away and missing the midfield in that second half. 7. I’m going to call out Rohl today as well, it needed Ingelsson due to his running power, and a slight tweak of system. We looked tired that last 20 mins To give some positives, we were good first half, Windass was running the show at times. Max Lowe was good again, Musaba was good until the back four went ale house and pulled on Millwall shirts. Valentin and Chalobah were good when they came on and had a positive impact. Pleased for Otegbayo, but good god, he was awful defensively when he came on. Simple fact is, we score the pen, we win the game. And it all went downhill from there. 1 Quote
HoylandOwl Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Frustrating to say the least today. I'm really disappointed to type this but I can't see us solving the Ugbo conundrum. it's just not worked. ANOTHER Owls failed transfer that at the time seemed like it would be the right move. Our defending again is horrific, we just cant deal with balls into the box, high lofted ones central or wide. They end up dropping and bobbling around, cause panic and then we concede. There's just no commitment to winning it and getting rid of it at the right time. Windass' attempt (although it's not necessarily his forte) to clear the first one was poor. Can't understand why he didn't try to head it if going for it, the way it went through was a bit of luck. The second one should have gone into row Z. But didnt and we got out of jail. Feels like a loss and we should have finished tonight in 7th, not 10th. Quote
KrolMong Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Chalobah was good when he came on because he stopped centre backs having to go into midfield to win headers. Up until the second goal, we had Bernard and Iorfa going in to win the first ball, and Valery in particular was not coming round to cover, this our right side having issues until the change. Chalobah came on, they could stay at home and the gaps stopped. Hes a good signing because he sits properly, but we need to spend more time on the training ground getting him, Bannan and Charles integrated because on paper, they should integrate brilliantly. Chalobah as the sitter, Charles as the legs and Bannan as the craft. Quote
DirtyOwl Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Tragic that we’ve not got 3 points from this game. Missed pen which was an absolute shocker to put it politely. 3 times we hit the woodwork & Windass hit one narrowly wide from some good play. Two awful goals to concede, both as bad as each other in terms of defending Feel like Iorfa might be missing for a few weeks with how he pulled up so confirms we need another centre back asap. Quote
Harry Lime Posted January 4 Posted January 4 11 minutes ago, mkowl said: 2) Musaba and Gassama starting does not really work Hurray. It never has and Rohl needs to learn this. They should be given a half apiece. WTF Ingelsson needs to do to get a regular start I just don't know. Quote
mkowl Posted January 4 Posted January 4 1 minute ago, HoylandOwl said: Frustrating to say the least today. I'm really disappointed to type this but I can't see us solving the Ugbo conundrum. it's just not worked. ANOTHER Owls failed transfer that at the time seemed like it would be the right move. Our defending again is horrific, we just cant deal with balls into the box, high lofted ones central or wide. They end up dropping and bobbling around, cause panic and then we concede. There's just no commitment to winning it and getting rid of it at the right time. Windass' attempt (although it's not necessarily his forte) to clear the first one was poor. Can't understand why he didn't try to head it if going for it, the way it went through was a bit of luck. The second one should have gone into row Z. But didnt and we got out of jail. Feels like a loss and we should have finished tonight in 7th, not 10th. It is creditable that Rohl and the players want Ugbo to regain confidence. But I am not hugely convinced what he is offering up front. It smacked of not respecting the opposition to give him the pen and we nearly paid the price. The whole thing about transfers is true. If a player does or does not come to us, I don't care because this is the risk with every signing. Quote
Andyben Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Just now, HoylandOwl said: Feels like a loss and we should have finished tonight in 7th, not 10th. Just needed to score 11 goals didn't we? Quote
TheExile Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Just an example of our season in one game and why we are unlikely to achieve what we are capable of. Best side dropped points…again Missed great chances…again Soft goals conceded from very little? Of course Fu**ed off with that Quote
mkowl Posted January 4 Posted January 4 1 minute ago, Harry Lime said: Hurray. It never has and Rohl needs to learn this. They should be given a half apiece. WTF Ingelsson needs to do to get a regular start I just don't know. My contention is always about gaining control of the game. And with those 2 we seem to lose track in the game - more 2nd half today, what with Ugbo offering little as well. Agree with KM that Rohl seems very reluctant in the use of Ingelsson when to me the game is screaming for his introduction Quote
mkowl Posted January 4 Posted January 4 1 minute ago, TheExile said: Just an example of our season in one game and why we are unlikely to achieve what we are capable of. Best side dropped points…again Missed great chances…again Soft goals conceded from very little? Of course Fu**ed off with that I mean compared to last season we are perhaps being greedy in our expectations. Whilst i was disappointed with the result today, many facets of the game in the forward areas were still good. Sort out the defensive frailty and the 2nd half of the season should show continued improvement. Despite the points and league position I still consider a play off push is too optimistic, but I understand those seeing it as a good chance Quote
Tewksbury Posted January 4 Posted January 4 3 minutes ago, mkowl said: My contention is always about gaining control of the game. And with those 2 we seem to lose track in the game - more 2nd half today, what with Ugbo offering little as well. Agree with KM that Rohl seems very reluctant in the use of Ingelsson when to me the game is screaming for his introduction The problem is that team's heads don't drop as they all know that chucking a few balls into the box is going to pay off. Quote
Harry Lime Posted January 4 Posted January 4 3 minutes ago, mkowl said: My contention is always about gaining control of the game. And with those 2 we seem to lose track in the game - more 2nd half today, what with Ugbo offering little as well. Agree with KM that Rohl seems very reluctant in the use of Ingelsson when to me the game is screaming for his introduction This has been quite obvious for some time. With one of them on for each half and Ingelsson playing I reckon we quite easily win that game. Fine in the first half but neutralised in the second. Rohl has to be smarter. They lose the ball too easily, do little to get it back which puts pressure on a poorly performing defence. Great with the ball at their feet and space in front of them, but we need to stop shipping goals and we'll not do that by playing them both at the same time. Quote
Reesh Posted January 4 Author Posted January 4 4 minutes ago, Harry Lime said: This has been quite obvious for some time. With one of them on for each half and Ingelsson playing I reckon we quite easily win that game. Fine in the first half but neutralised in the second. Rohl has to be smarter. They lose the ball too easily, do little to get it back which puts pressure on a poorly performing defence. Great with the ball at their feet and space in front of them, but we need to stop shipping goals and we'll not do that by playing them both at the same time. Gassama was decent pretty much all game but you fail to see it, it's obvious why, at least try and hide your blatant bigotry. Quote
TheExile Posted January 4 Posted January 4 8 minutes ago, mkowl said: I mean compared to last season we are perhaps being greedy in our expectations. Whilst i was disappointed with the result today, many facets of the game in the forward areas were still good. Sort out the defensive frailty and the 2nd half of the season should show continued improvement. Despite the points and league position I still consider a play off push is too optimistic, but I understand those seeing it as a good chance I wouldn’t have seen it as realistic in August last year but given we were 1 point off at HT and we are in the window it’s a case of trying to strike when we can. Not just that but we have teams where we want them and then it unravels. A mid table side may be good one week and poor the next, I think we’ve been decent pretty much every game since Luton away but have the same issues with shooting our selves in the foot. A case of seeing what we could be Quote
KrolMong Posted January 4 Posted January 4 I thought both Musaba and Gassama had a positive impact on the game. It was those behind them, particularly the centre backs, who let them down by simply shitting their pants every-time the ball was around their feet in the second half. We looked like we had the starting pair from a parks game tomorrow. As soon as you miss the midfield, they aren’t a threat any more because they no matter how much they spin or show feet, they aren’t touching the ball. 1 Quote
KrolMong Posted January 4 Posted January 4 There’s two ways of sorting this. You either go and get some defensive nouse to stop the dreadful goals we concede. Or you go and get goals. I suspect that it’s going to be easier to get some defensive nouse (and cheaper). We deffo need it if Iorfa is out, and Ihiekwe is a mile off. You either need to try and score more goals, or concede less. The bit in the middle looks good. 1 Quote
mkowl Posted January 4 Posted January 4 3 minutes ago, KrolMong said: I thought both Musaba and Gassama had a positive impact on the game. It was those behind them, particularly the centre backs, who let them down by simply shitting their pants every-time the ball was around their feet in the second half. We looked like we had the starting pair from a parks game tomorrow. As soon as you miss the midfield, they aren’t a threat any more because they no matter how much they spin or show feet, they aren’t touching the ball. The long standing conundrum for any manager getting the balance between attack and defence. But to me they are luxury players having them both on the pitch. Great when you are on top and playing in their half. Less so when you don't have the ball. I am going to say as well Bannan is no more than a 60 minute player at best these days. As he gets tired then we lose that control Quote
mkowl Posted January 4 Posted January 4 4 minutes ago, KrolMong said: There’s two ways of sorting this. You either go and get some defensive nouse to stop the dreadful goals we concede. Or you go and get goals. I suspect that it’s going to be easier to get some defensive nouse (and cheaper). We deffo need it if Iorfa is out, and Ihiekwe is a mile off. You either need to try and score more goals, or concede less. The bit in the middle looks good. You have to sort the defence end of. And we are not talking about needing to compromise the midfield or attacking approach to change that, simply players that can defend consistently for 90 minutes Quote
mkowl Posted January 4 Posted January 4 At least Rohl is not hiding from the defensive issues. Message really for the owner Quote
HoylandOwl Posted January 4 Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Andyben said: Just needed to score 11 goals didn't we? Joint 7th but 8th then 🤣 Quote
Harry Lime Posted January 4 Posted January 4 37 minutes ago, Reesh said: Gassama was decent pretty much all game but you fail to see it, it's obvious why, at least try and hide your blatant bigotry. Thought they were both decent first half and both poor the second although Gassama was the better of the two. Me thinking like that doesn't make me a bigot, racist or anything else you care to mention. Thought I'd put that to bed previously regarding my wife. I'm a meritocrat, best person for the job always, especially when it comes to the football club I support. Fact is this is pretty obvious to me, if it isn't obvious to you, then fair enough, we can agree to disagree can't we without the name calling which I always thought was the remit of the Socialist's amongst us. Also, just like to add, it's neither of them's fault for playing, it's Rohls fault for picking them, and before you say anything, no, that's not because he's a German whatever they did to my grandparents chippy. 1 Quote
Reesh Posted January 4 Author Posted January 4 Just now, Harry Lime said: Thought they were both decent first half and both poor the second although Gassama was the better of the two. Me thinking like that doesn't make me a bigot, racist or anything else you care to mention. Thought I'd put that to bed previously regarding my wife. I'm a meritocrat, best person for the job always, especially when it comes to the football club I support. Fact is this is pretty obvious to me, if it isn't obvious to you, then fair enough, we can agree to disagree can't we without the name calling which I always thought was the remit of the Socialist's amongst us. Also, just like to add, it's neither of them's fault for playing, it's Rohls fault for picking them, and before you say anything, no, that's not because he's a German whatever they did to my grandparents chippy. Socialists are ***** as well Quote
Harry Lime Posted January 4 Posted January 4 35 minutes ago, mkowl said: But to me they are luxury players having them both on the pitch. Spot on. Don't see why he just doesn't play one first half then when the opposites change things round to stop him at half time just stick the other one on. Sorted. Quote
Harry Lime Posted January 4 Posted January 4 2 minutes ago, Reesh said: Socialists are ***** as well Well, that at least we can agree on. Quote
Tank_Owl2,0 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Unlucky but 2 points dropped. We could run out of defenders at this rate. I think both the performance up to them scoring and the coming back from behind were pluses again today. Particularly given the number of games the nucleus of the team have played in this period. What do we do with Ugbo, do we keep starting him like today, I don’t think he was as bad as some make out, but you have to hit the target with a pen. Quote
Tank_Owl2,0 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Is the pitch that bad? RS keep mentioning it, it’s ok isn’t it? Quote
Reesh Posted January 4 Author Posted January 4 2 minutes ago, Tank_Owl2,0 said: Is the pitch that bad? RS keep mentioning it, it’s ok isn’t it? Nowt wrong with it. 1 Quote
Tank_Owl2,0 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 I’m not worried about playing Gass and Musaba now, unlike earlier in the season because they are better drilled. Gassama at the minute is unplayable at times, I just wish he tried to turn their left back a few times, especially because he was on a yellow. He’s probably feeling it though and has taken a few knocks over the festive period. 1 Quote
Paul from Wisewood Posted January 4 Posted January 4 2 hours ago, Harry Lime said: Ugbo's at rock bottom now, there's only one way to go. A loan? 2 Quote
Harry Lime Posted January 4 Posted January 4 3 minutes ago, Paul from Wisewood said: A loan? Rovrum.😂 Nope, that could break him. I'd keep going with him, I've a feeling that when the dam bursts he'll be away. Quote
Chelters Posted January 4 Posted January 4 I hate to say it but I don’t think Otegbayo is quite ready yet. Great that he scored today and he has promise but he always looks shaky to me. is Ihiekwe injured? I know he’s not the greatest at this level but he’s a good communicator and gets his head on the ball. Quote
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