Season tickets…. Chatter and 25/26 prices

[HoylandOwl]

Well, it seems the club have been talking about a slight raise in all season ticket prices across the board. 

But at the latest fan engagement group, Wednesdayite seem have have caused a stir, by seeing if the club will offset that across the board rise, by lowering the amount of concession that is given to the over 65s (if I’ve read it right). 

Apparently The discount given to over 65s is around 45%, while our neighbours only give 25% to their older fans. 
 

https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2024/december/18/supporters-engagement-panel/

[Skamp]

Know what? This country is starting to resent the older population. Winter fuel allowance, WASPI and now price concessions.

Makes me wonder how many senior concession tickets there is vs how much extra it'll bring in. Probably the grand sum of fractionally not much  more than fuck all in the scheme of things.

Still, old folk eh? Bring out the assisted dying bill sharp.

[mkowl]

Irony is Paul Holmes of Wednesdayite is hardly a spring chicken

[Andyben]

25 minutes ago, mkowl said:

Irony is Paul Holmes of Wednesdayite is hardly a spring chicken

Well if he’s the one suggesting it I’d say it’s not ironic but probably more equitable than someone younger saying so

[Supercockle]

I don't know about others but I don't want to be judged against our neighbours. I don't see them as someone/something to emulate. I would rather pay a little more and maintain the discount for our older and younger fans. 

[M42Owl]

The current season is the first that I’ve benefitted as a concession since I was classed as a juvenile. So I’ll be a bit pissed off if I were to lose a significant chunk of that discount.

But on the wider issue of old folk getting concessions, I think the government should pay a decent living pension, then they can cut out the “perks”. Let the pensioners decide how they want to spend their income. That’s the aim of the triple lock, isn’t it, but it’s way off being achieved.

WFA:, why should all pensioners get it? Why should I, whose works pension is greater than either of my kids wages, both of whom have mortgages to pay whilst I don’t, get a fuel handout? It’s nonsensical. If you’re poor, you’re on benefits, if you’re on benefits you get WFA.

Same applies with football tickets, cricket, getting my hair cut, even Iceland and B&Q have senior discount days. But as independent businesses, it’s up to them if they want working age customers to subsidise pensioners.

Too many old folk are jumping on the victim bandwagon and demanding what they don’t really need.
 

Back on topic. I thought the engagement panel was referring to kids tickets (£50?) as much as other groups. It wasn’t clear that any sector was ripe for targeting. But whichever it is, the club needs to do much much more than tinkering with some concession prices if they’re not going to see a significant fall off in season ticket sales. Stupid kick off time, more televised matches, buying season tickets needs to become advantageous at about 10-12 matches attended. But at the same time, on-the-day prices have to be low enough to tempt the part timers and those that don’t renew. Not going to be easy.

[Otto_Man]

Increasing kids season ticket prices is the single most stupidest idea I've ever heard. They should be the last to go up.

[Reesh]

19 minutes ago, Otto_Man said:

Increasing kids season ticket prices is the single most stupidest idea I've ever heard. They should be the last to go up.

You still trying to pass as an under 11?

[mkowl]

48 minutes ago, Reesh said:

You still trying to pass as an under 11?

Just his friend 

Regards 

jimmy 

[mkowl]

1 hour ago, Andyben said:

Well if he’s the one suggesting it I’d say it’s not ironic but probably more equitable than someone younger saying so

True and perhaps does acknowledge that a lot of pensioners - not saying all - have more disposable income than a lot of folk 

[mkowl]

1 hour ago, M42Owl said:

The current season is the first that I’ve benefitted as a concession since I was classed as a juvenile. So I’ll be a bit pissed off if I were to lose a significant chunk of that discount.

But on the wider issue of old folk getting concessions, I think the government should pay a decent living pension, then they can cut out the “perks”. Let the pensioners decide how they want to spend their income. That’s the aim of the triple lock, isn’t it, but it’s way off being achieved.

WFA:, why should all pensioners get it? Why should I, whose works pension is greater than either of my kids wages, both of whom have mortgages to pay whilst I don’t, get a fuel handout? It’s nonsensical. If you’re poor, you’re on benefits, if you’re on benefits you get WFA.

Same applies with football tickets, cricket, getting my hair cut, even Iceland and B&Q have senior discount days. But as independent businesses, it’s up to them if they want working age customers to subsidise pensioners.

Too many old folk are jumping on the victim bandwagon and demanding what they don’t really need.
 

Back on topic. I thought the engagement panel was referring to kids tickets (£50?) as much as other groups. It wasn’t clear that any sector was ripe for targeting. But whichever it is, the club needs to do much much more than tinkering with some concession prices if they’re not going to see a significant fall off in season ticket sales. Stupid kick off time, more televised matches, buying season tickets needs to become advantageous at about 10-12 matches attended. But at the same time, on-the-day prices have to be low enough to tempt the part timers and those that don’t renew. Not going to be easy.

I am not sure the OT mob would want to know that I had to pay adult prices for a season ticket from the age of 14 back in 1982/83 

[Otto_Man]

30 minutes ago, mkowl said:

True and perhaps does acknowledge that a lot of pensioners - not saying all - have more disposable income than a lot of folk 

The ones that can still afford to go to Hillsborough certainly do...

[Teddy Nickelarse]

The early bird issue will be interesting especially given the number of televised games and of older ST holders (I see it round me) that don't attend midweek or in bad weather.  I'd  predict over 65's sales dropping off the cliff if the concessionary prices increased significantly more than other sectors.

[Teddy Nickelarse]

3 hours ago, Andyben said:

Well if he’s the one suggesting it I’d say it’s not ironic but probably more equitable than someone younger saying so

Good point.

[lobster]

The reason pensioners get so many perks is that UK State   pensions are among the lowest in Europe ,. It's complicated by the number of people having Private pensions which should really have no bearing. But successive Governments rather than increase the state pension to a meaningfull amount  have pushed people towards a private pension as its cheaper

As for kids concessions it won't make any difference . Kids aren't interested they would rather spend all their time playing video games . I know junior clubs that use to run 4/5 teams now lucky if they can field 2

[Paul from Wisewood]

Think the concession band should be same for all, don’t see why oap’s should get a bigger discount than students/ armed forces 

[mkowl]

i would charge students double - scruffy ***** the lot of em 

[Reesh]

4 minutes ago, Paul from Wisewood said:

Think the concession band should be same for all, don’t see why oap’s should get a bigger discount than students/ armed forces 

Students shouldn't get one..... Freeloading *****.

[mkowl]

43 minutes ago, Reesh said:

Students shouldn't get one..... Freeloading *****.

They give degrees to anyone these days 

@HoylandOwl what do you reckon

Congrats by the way 🎣

[mogbad]

7 hours ago, HoylandOwl said:

Well, it seems the club have been talking about a slight raise in all season ticket prices across the board. 

But at the latest fan engagement group, Wednesdayite seem have have caused a stir, by seeing if the club will offset that across the board rise, by lowering the amount of concession that is given to the over 65s (if I’ve read it right). 

Apparently The discount given to over 65s is around 45%, while our neighbours only give 25% to their older fans. 
 

https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2024/december/18/supporters-engagement-panel/

Although our neighbours give concessions 5 years earlier than us at 60 years old.

[Owling_Wolf]

13 minutes ago, mogbad said:

Although our neighbours give concessions 5 years earlier than us at 60 years old.

We used to do, for all my supporting life. Until 18 months before I became 60.   👀

 

Wasn't a problem.  Still an occasional '60' club visited.  

[Paul from Wisewood]

1 hour ago, Reesh said:

Students shouldn't get one..... Freeloading *****.

Well true 🤣 but don’t see how there can be different levels of concession 

[HoylandOwl]

2 hours ago, mkowl said:

They give degrees to anyone these days 

@HoylandOwl what do you reckon

Congrats by the way 🎣

Hahaha! Thanks mate. And I’ve not got a students ST and never have. 😀

[HoylandOwl]

Do I think prices should go up? No, of course not. No one wants to pay more.

Being realistic, they will likely go up even if it’s a small amount. And I’d say across the EFL most will too. Nothing really reduces these days.

Football is a business, it’s not ‘the working man’s game’ and hasn’t been for ages. The whole industry has raced away from that, and for clarity I’m not sticking up for DC or justifying them going up if they do. 

But I think expecting those who are paying less, should swallow up the costs to alleviate other rises or anything like that shouldn’t happen. Rather than be looking at ‘we’ve got the highest percentage saving for concessions’ as a negative. That should be a positive IMO rather than being used as a stick to beat the club. 

 

 

[Tank_Owl2,0]

Let’s be right, anyone that qualifies for an OAP season ticket has probably been following the club for most of their life and quite likely had a ST for some of that. I struggle to think many oldies will suddenly think it’s a good idea to get a ST so they can sit in the cold.

So, much like those that have worked and paid their taxes, I don’t begrudge anyone get a bit of discount to keep following the club when they are probably not getting any earnings coming in.

So no I don’t agree, as well as disagreeing with any notion of putting kids prices up.

 

[HarrySpeakup]

My first season ticket was when I was 12 in 1967/68 in the North Stand and was a concession at £6 6s (£6.30) which I think was half price 

[Paul from Wisewood]

8 hours ago, HarrySpeakup said:

My first season ticket was when I was 12 in 1967/68 in the North Stand and was a concession at £6 6s (£6.30) which I think was half price 

Don’t let Wednesdayite know 

[M42Owl]

9 hours ago, HarrySpeakup said:

My first season ticket was when I was 12 in 1967/68 in the North Stand and was a concession at £6 6s (£6.30) which I think was half price 

That’s a bit steep.

Unless my memory is a bit awry.
My first ST would have been 71/72. Bought as a birthday present.
I’m sure it was only £6. 

[HarrySpeakup]

Was it for a stand or the Kop though? 

[M42Owl]

Kop (or lower leppings lane).

[HarrySpeakup]

In 1967 the North Stand had only been open a few years and was the state of the art stand in the country and I’m sure it was the most expensive in the ground 

The kop was a shiilling (5p) for kids at that time so a season ticket on there then woukd presumably have been under £1

[holmesfield_owl]

Fortnight then to get season tickets at first phase, at the most expensive time of the year. Hope those wanting one get sorted or can maybe take a finance option

[HoylandOwl]

Prices are out…..

https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2024/december/20/2025-26-season-tickets-on-sale-now--/

[Reesh]

I don't agree with the u25 category, load of woke bollocks.

[HoylandOwl]

Phase 1 prices till 3rd Jan.

[HoylandOwl]

Post 3rd Jan prices

[M42Owl]

I’m not complaining at the prices even with a 17% increase.

When I renewed a year ago, I was unsure whether I’d be adult or senior. Considering the surprisingly big saving (45% off) for being a concession, I was chuffed to get it. With the increase it’s still a fair saving (35%) off full prices. With a few missed games, it’s £20/game on the North.

If the base price for adults has been frozen by increasing concession prices by the amount they have, then I’m ok with that. A 35% concession discount seems fair to me.

The timing though, or more so the 3rd Jan deadline, is ridiculous. Makes me think that the transfer budget will be closely linked to ST sales.

[KrolMong]

It maybe good to understand from the club as to why the first renewal deadline is two weeks after the announcement and so early in Jan.

That said, those phase 2 prices are only 30-45 quid more expensive for an adult, if they ran them to the end of Jan, I think it’s all quite reasonable.

[M42Owl]

I didn’t see a phase 2 deadline stated.

I’m hoping there aren’t going to be umpteen phases and that phase 2 will extend into March at least.

[Owling_Wolf]

1 hour ago, Reesh said:

I don't agree with the u25 category, load of woke bollocks.

I'd been at work nine years then!  Wtf?

[Reesh]

3 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said:

I'd been at work nine years then!  Wtf?

Same. 

[bradowl]

7 hours ago, HarrySpeakup said:

In 1967 the North Stand had only been open a few years and was the state of the art stand in the country and I’m sure it was the most expensive in the ground 

The kop was a shiilling (5p) for kids at that time so a season ticket on there then woukd presumably have been under £1

They were 2 different prices for North stand when me and my Dad were going in it in late 1960s and early 70s, seats in central areas of stand cost more than the wings at each end of the stand. 

I think they put a stop to this when attendances dropped and fans were paying for wing seats and sitting in center. 

South stand will have been cheaper because uncovered part at front and I'm sure covered part at back had a number of restricted views with roof supports along it at front. 

[Tank_Owl2,0]

Renewed. Just do it. Onwards and upwards with Capt Danny.

[Reesh]

47 minutes ago, bradowl said:

They were 2 different prices for North stand when me and my Dad were going in it in late 1960s and early 70s, seats in central areas of stand cost more than the wings at each end of the stand. 

I think they put a stop to this when attendances dropped and fans were paying for wing seats and sitting in center. 

South stand will have been cheaper because uncovered part at front and I'm sure covered part at back had a number of restricted views with roof supports along it at front. 

That was part of the engagement panel notes as why they don't do it now.

[Hirstys 12th Pint]

I think the timing and very short window is a way of increasing prices as a lot will be buying in phase 2 who have previously done early bird.

Club can point to adult prices being held if people bought at the earliest opportunity. 

[M42Owl]

22 minutes ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said:

I think the timing and very short window is a way of increasing prices as a lot will be buying in phase 2 who have previously done early bird.

Club can point to adult prices being held if people bought at the earliest opportunity. 

I think this is partly behind the increase for concessions. Almost all comparison (mostly negative comparisons) involve the standard adult prices. Generous discounts for concessions are generally ignored. So, despite an increase for some, the club can say (and most analysis will support) that prices have been frozen.

[Emre]

7 hours ago, Reesh said:

I don't agree with the u25 category, load of woke bollocks.

👍 Financial reasons have meant I haven't been going for the last few seasons and that's not necessarily Chansiri's fault, it's just how football is nowadays but I do think that U16's should be reasonably priced. 

[bradowl]

3 hours ago, Reesh said:

That was part of the engagement panel notes as why they don't do it now.

When I was a nipper I can remember my Dad lifting me over turnstile just to save a shilling. 😂

[Paul from Wisewood]

It’s like they’ve just plucked numbers out of the air between phase 1 and 2, adult  goes up £40 on the north but concession goes up £60 

[Owling_Wolf]

25 minutes ago, bradowl said:

When I was a nipper I can remember my Dad lifting me over turnstile just to save a shilling. 😂

But they kept sending you back afterwards?  😛