Will Rovers return us 3 points

[mkowl]

Sounds like i was lucky to retain the honour (!) of commencing the match thread. 

With Rovers in decent form and our home performances a real curates egg, not sure the odds are favouring me remaining in situ for Oxford on Saturday (which is confusingly at 3pm on a Saturday, it will never catch on)

So the conundrum is which Wednesday will turn up, which players will turn up or flatter to deceive. There is a sense that Rohl is getting frustrated by the lack of consistency, the lack of quality, the inability to follow the initial game plan. Not to the extent of him jumping ship but I think he wants to see progression. 

I still think the problem is he thinks they are capable of much more. 

[Owling_Wolf]

I'd say we're consistently inconsistent. And on Saturday I want to see some 'Magic, our *Morris' from us.   

*Yes, I know.

[Reesh]

5 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said:

I'd say we're consistently inconsistent. And on Saturday I want to see some 'Magic, our *Morris' from us.   

*Yes, I know.

Saturday?

[Owling_Wolf]

1 minute ago, Reesh said:

Saturday?

Oops!  Wrong thread.

Oh, well: I'm early for Oxford, as that crack wouldn't work with Blackburn.  

[holmesfield_owl]

Bearing in mind we're five points I think off 6th and it's Blackburn who sit there, it is a good chance to close the gap.

My head says we lose though, we'll be wide open again and top 6 sides put chances away, we do t do it consistently. Hopefully I'm wrong though.

[Reesh]

2 hours ago, holmesfield_owl said:

Bearing in mind we're five points I think off 6th and it's Blackburn who sit there, it is a good chance to close the gap.

My head says we lose though, we'll be wide open again and top 6 sides put chances away, we do t do it consistently. Hopefully I'm wrong though.

We are amongst a clutch who are vying for the last two play off spots, our naivety is what will cost us, we spend the summer chasing Ugbo and its not worked out.

Some clubs chasing those two spots have a match winner in their squad every week like Sainz at Norwich, Lath at Boro whilst others are grinding it out like Millwall and WBA, if we are in the same place come January then  shrewd loan could make all the difference. 

[HoylandOwl]

Blackburn have won 3 of their last 5 away, and lost the other 2 IIRC.

Tomorrow night will be 3 losses. why?

We have stepped it up against the better, not ‘best’ sides at home. West Brom, Norwich spring to mind, and at some point we need to get back to winning ways at home. As we’ve only won 1 in 5… (Reesh will tell us if I’m wrong on those stats)

 

[Hirstys 12th Pint]

To pass the time before the match who has played for both ?

Will start with .......

Paul Warhurst

 

 

[Reesh]

Jordan Rhodes

Marlon Broomes

Simon Grayson

Ben Marshall

Stuart Ripley

George Hirst

 

[holmesfield_owl]

Pato out for a period of time with a knee injury, shame for him and us.

[80s Owl]

On 09/12/2024 at 09:30, holmesfield_owl said:

Bearing in mind we're five points I think off 6th and it's Blackburn who sit there, it is a good chance to close the gap.

My head says we lose though, we'll be wide open again and top 6 sides put chances away, we do t do it consistently. Hopefully I'm wrong though.

Since I've been following the club we seem to have always fooked up these "win this and we'll be there" type of games, I can see this being another, we've not done bad against these at home in recent years (the 2020 horror show aside) so hope I'm wrong.

[Reesh]

12 minutes ago, 80s Owl said:

Since I've been following the club we seem to have always fooked up these "win this and we'll be there" type of games, I can see this being another, we've not done bad against these at home in recent years (the 2020 horror show aside) so hope I'm wrong.

Their fans think the same of this game.

[DirtyOwl]

Expect some changes to the starting 11 tonight with Rohls interview post PNE. 

Will be a tough game but hopefully we see a decent reaction with Rohl outing the performance last time around. 

[JBO]

6 hours ago, holmesfield_owl said:

Pato out for a period of time with a knee injury, shame for him and us.

Is the period of time a few hours?

[Jim]

Iorfa back in, Smith and Ugbo benched.

I thought Smith ran his blood to water on Saturday so probably needs a rest. 

[owl71]

I like the balance of that side, far preferable to DR’s last couple of line ups.  Let’s see.

[Otto_Man]

Has Pol fucked Danny's Mrs or summat?

[Reesh]

2 minutes ago, Otto_Man said:

Has Pol fucked Danny's Mrs or summat?

Either that or Valery is giving him a reach around.

[Reesh]

Weak as fuck defending that.

[Skamp]

Name a Wham song that sums this game up.

[Andyben]

Edge of Heaven?

[owl4ever1867]

That was garbage, utter garbage.

[Beaconowl]

Games like that are why I am glad I stopped the long commute to watch matches at this time of year, especially mid-week. A 3 hour drive home after that - no thanks 

Edited December 10, 2024 by Beaconowl

[KrolMong]

There was literally one bit of poor defending in the game and it led to them scoring. Bernard was proper bullied for the goal. In fact, that number 9 put it on Bernard and won pretty much every single physical contest between them.

But, beyond that, I thought Wednesday were the better team and played well. I thought the starting 11 were all decent, although Windass was off it again. The issue was that the subs just didn’t have any form of positive impact, compounded by the fact that we got Sunday league Callum Paterson who came out with a Blackburn shirt on.

It’s just that little bit of quality in the final third again. Charles and Bannan can do all the good stuff they want in the middle of the park, but the quality isn’t quite there ahead of them.

By the way, Musaba was much better today. I thought Jamal Lowe was good today.

[KrolMong]

Just on Blackburn. Good side. Really well drilled defensively, stacks of pace at full back and they get up the pitch quick. A bit like us in that they are far better suited when teams have the ball, rather than when they don’t, hence the good away form.

[TheExile]

I don’t think Blackburn were any better than us. Both pretty blunt but once they got the goal that was it. We looked very sluggish again with no real pattern to our play. Meh 

[owl71]

It was a better performance than Saturday to be honest.  A very even game with not a great deal created by either team (xg 0.69 v 0.68 says it all).  We had a bit more of the little bit of pressure there was.  You can see why they are where they are, just a well organised side who are difficult to break down.  Agree with the above that it’s disappointing the subs had no impact. We deserved something out of the game, but after picking up 4 points from the last two games where we had long spells of being bloody awful, we were probably due one of these types of defeats.

[Harry Lime]

Sky conspiracy. They bring Gueye on and commentator says he's yet to score this season but doesn't reciprocate when Ugbo comes on. Poor show.

All in all, it was a poor display, we've got to start doing better in the final third, there's just nothing there. I was hoping Pol was going to just smash that one late on. Roll on January.

Ingelsson must think he's killed a Robin.

[TINK91]

Disappointed 😞 

I had to only follow via text tonight and have seen nothing of the game yet but going on what I've read here and elsewhere I'm not sure I want to

 

Very much mid table then 

 

[Otto_Man]

Disappointed too, played well, deserved something out of the game. I've been critical of Bannan at times this season, but he was outstanding tonight. Jamal Lowe very good too. 

Edited December 10, 2024 by Otto_Man

[Teddy Nickelarse]

4 minutes ago, Otto_Man said:

Disappointed too, played well, deserved something out of the game. I've been critical of Bannan at times this season, but he was outstanding tonight. Jamal Lowe very good too. 

Yes Bannan was our only creative spark. Him an Charles were very good in midfield but we were toothless up front. Thought Max Lowe was very good but Johnson’s form has nose dived. I'll  be interested to see the replay of the goal as from where I sit it looked like it was very poor from him allowing the player to cross.

[Owling_Wolf]

25 minutes ago, Otto_Man said:

Disappointed too, played well, deserved something out of the game. I've been critical of Bannan at times this season, but he was outstanding tonight. Jamal Lowe very good too. 

Yep. Very equal for the first half. When that big 9 came on he caused Bernard trouble and did us. For much of the time after that they old manned us and we were often naive. 

Not the end of the world, seen it plenty of times both for and against, just frustrating and a bit irritating.  Yes, I agree about the pair you praised. We move on.  

[Owling_Wolf]

1 hour ago, Beaconowl said:

Games like that are why I am glad I stopped the long commute to watch matches at this time of year, especially mid-week. A 3 hour drive home after that - no thanks 

Wouldn't have taken that long tonight: bugger all there.  

[Andyben]

8 hours ago, KrolMong said:

By the way, Musaba was much better today. I thought Jamal Lowe was good today.

Agreed. Windass seems to be well off at the moment.

Its like he's not there to contribute just in case he can do something somehow

[HoylandOwl]

Just a frustrating game overall that last night IMO. There was a fair bit in the first half especially where we’d done the right thing, until as others have said, the final third. That being said, we worked their keeper more than Beadle had been worked and at the break. I thought we’d shaded it. 
They weren’t bad either but aside from that absolute bunker buster that rattled the bar, I don’t think they’d been too threatening. 

But, that poor final pass / decision in the final third just seemed to be lingering. They defended well; and headed almost every ball into the box away. The key was that hunger and desire by their scorer which was everything we didn’t have.. As KM mentioned, Gueye bullied Bernard off it, he wanted it more and MADE it his. We didn’t have that. 

I thought Jamal played well, but we seem to be playing a style which leaves forwards a little isolated. We don’t get the second ball as there’s not enough bodies in the box. Smith and Paterson helped a little but it was too little too late I thought.  It’s frustrating having two consecutive home games and getting a single point, and not really taking either game by the scruff of the neck when we could have won both. 

 

[HoylandOwl]

 

[holmesfield_owl]

12 hours ago, JBO said:

Is the period of time a few hours?

Bloody star, shit paper

[mkowl]

Can't comment as was out seeing Shed Seven.

But their closing track Chasing Rainbows - the words can be contrived to supporting Sheffield Wednesday at times. Never quite get there.

My biggest concern at the moment is do I feel I am missing out by not going or indeed simply watching on TV.

The football in the Championship is so sterile. The evenly matched teams mean you get the odd classic, but in the main as last night sounds barely anything happens.

 

[Owling_Wolf]

2 hours ago, mkowl said:

Can't comment as was out seeing Shed Seven.

But their closing track Chasing Rainbows - the words can be contrived to supporting Sheffield Wednesday at times. Never quite get there.

My biggest concern at the moment is do I feel I am missing out by not going or indeed simply watching on TV.

The football in the Championship is so sterile. The evenly matched teams mean you get the odd classic, but in the main as last night sounds barely anything happens.

 

Is it yourself you're trying to convince about watching Wednesday on the telly or the rest of us?  👀

[Canterburyowl]

Just listened to the Staton interview with DR post match, might be reading too much into it but doesnt sound too optimistic about being backed in Jan window. Talks about his ambitions and the club ambitions separately. DC does normally back the manager though so might be something and nothing.

[mkowl]

1 hour ago, Owling_Wolf said:

Is it yourself you're trying to convince about watching Wednesday on the telly or the rest of us?  👀

Just me 

I am genuinely worried I am losing the whelm with SWFC and football in general. I was talking to a couple of mates last week, both big rugby league fans and they were saying the same thing about their sport, their team. 

The Wednesday games used to dictate the rest of my life and now I think fuck it 

Perhaps 25 years of lets be honest shite and now whether Chansiri has the inclination / resources to take us to the next level. 

But I concede its been a whole lot fucking worse than now over those 25 years. But does anyone really enjoy watching us or indeed the opponents 

[Owling_Wolf]

25 minutes ago, mkowl said:

Just me 

I am genuinely worried I am losing the whelm with SWFC and football in general. I was talking to a couple of mates last week, both big rugby league fans and they were saying the same thing about their sport, their team. 

The Wednesday games used to dictate the rest of my life and now I think fuck it 

Perhaps 25 years of lets be honest shite and now whether Chansiri has the inclination / resources to take us to the next level. 

But I concede its been a whole lot fucking worse than now over those 25 years. But does anyone really enjoy watching us or indeed the opponents 

Fair enough.  I tell you what, I know so many people - old mates - who'd never miss a home match and who went through so much to get to certain away games back in the day.  Now it never enters their head, even with time and money, that they might go to a match.  Yet when they first gave up their season tickets they were going to get one again as soon as they retired, or as soon as they drew their pension. I think one of them's been once, with a relatives s.t., and now even turns that down. Unthinkable, once.

One was the first to get a car when young and used to drive us all over away. To be fair he lost faith in a bad Owls period and holidays a lot now but does go a couple of times a season just to keep abreast. And one old faithful who didn't have the cash to keep going for ages, now he's got funds in older age and takes himself occasionally, despite illness.  But it's those who utterly gave up: it seemed so easy for them  to do.

Edited December 11, 2024 by Owling_Wolf

[MAL]

1 hour ago, Owling_Wolf said:

Fair enough.  I tell you what, I know so many people - old mates - who'd never miss a home match and who went through so much to get to certain away games back in the day.  Now it never enters their head, even with time and money, that they might go to a match.  Yet when they first gave up their season tickets they were going to get one again as soon as they retired, or as soon as they drew their pension. I think one of them's been once, with a relatives s.t., and now even turns that down. Unthinkable, once.

One was the first to get a car when young and used to drive us all over away. To be fair he lost faith in a bad Owls period and holidays a lot now but does go a couple of times a season just to keep abreast. And one old faithful who didn't have the cash to keep going for ages, now he's got funds in older age and takes himself occasionally, despite illness.  But it's those who utterly gave up: it seemed so easy for them  to do.

My thoughts are...

It's not easy to stay away...

But is very easy to stay away, once you have done it and got into a different routine.

 

I have always said (Not just football, it's all sorts of things), once people stop going/doing it, it's very very hard to get them back, pubs are the main thing that springs to mind.

People find other things to concentrate their time on, other things to spend their money on.

Once it happens, there is not many that will change back.

They might go now and again, but the total dedication will have gone.

 

[Reesh]

11 minutes ago, MAL said:

My thoughts are...

It's not easy to stay away...

But is very easy to stay away, once you have done it and got into a different routine.

 

I have always said (Not just football, it's all sorts of things), once people stop going/doing it, it's very very hard to get them back, pubs are the main thing that springs to mind.

People find other things to concentrate their time on, other things to spend their money on.

Once it happens, there is not many that will change back.

They might go now and again, but the total dedication will have gone.

 

That is where I am now. I spent the Preston game walking the dog round Langsett reservoir then headed to the Dog and Partridge on the Woodhead for summat to eat and to thaw out, stayed over. Didn't miss the match one bit.

[Owling_Wolf]

5 minutes ago, Reesh said:

That is where I am now. I spent the Preston game walking the dog round Langsett reservoir then headed to the Dog and Partridge on the Woodhead for summat to eat and to thaw out, stayed over. Didn't miss the match one bit.

Nice part of the world, that. Including that pub. Warmed up a few times in there after walks out on the moors over the years.  

[Reesh]

5 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said:

Nice part of the world, that. Including that pub. Warmed up a few times in there after walks out on the moors over the years.  

Wasn't nice walking on the moors in the pissing rain to be honest mind the mutt loved it.

[Andyben]

9 minutes ago, Reesh said:

Wasn't nice walking on the moors in the pissing rain to be honest mind the mutt loved it.

She'll fucking kill you if she hears you talking about her like that Pal

[Reesh]

19 minutes ago, Andyben said:

She'll fucking kill you if she hears you talking about her like that Pal

She doesn't read on here....

[Owling_Wolf]

28 minutes ago, Reesh said:

Wasn't nice walking on the moors in the pissing rain to be honest mind the mutt loved it.

I once got off a bus at the top off that hill, (Woodhead summit), to walk to Castleton. I'd not gone far when the snow slipped off of a steep bank & deposited me in a raging stream.  Got one boot full of ice water.  That wasn't much fun either.

Cut it short and finished in Hathersage instead.  

[mkowl]

1 hour ago, MAL said:

My thoughts are...

It's not easy to stay away...

But is very easy to stay away, once you have done it and got into a different routine.

 

I have always said (Not just football, it's all sorts of things), once people stop going/doing it, it's very very hard to get them back, pubs are the main thing that springs to mind.

People find other things to concentrate their time on, other things to spend their money on.

Once it happens, there is not many that will change back.

They might go now and again, but the total dedication will have gone.

 

Exactly that 

i have fast become the person I never thought I would. Loss of family in Sheffield played a large part, once the secondary purpose went you had no guilt trip. I am not going to pretend the M fucking 1 and age with the driving is not a factor. I have seen a lot worse football but what I see these days, from both sides, hardly inspires me

I do think the new TV deal could expedite many others to take that first hard step