North Stand

[Sheffieldblue]

Anyone else heard the probably bullshit rumours that the North Stand has failed a structural inspection and will have to be closed while remedial work is carried out.

Apparently if a foot of snow falls on the roof there is a risk of collapse.

Heard the same story from 2 unconnected sources. 

[Owling_Wolf]

Fabulous.

[mogbad]

It was on t'other site a couple of months ago. Also said we'd been quoted £17m for the work to be completed.

[Skamp]

More chance of Lord Lucan riding bareback on Shergar up and down the concourse ramp than a foot of snow at the ground.

[mkowl]

4 minutes ago, Skamp said:

More chance of Lord Lucan riding bareback on Shergar up and down the concourse ramp than a foot of snow at the ground.

I hope you are not related to Michael Fish 

[Sheffieldblue]

53 minutes ago, Skamp said:

More chance of Lord Lucan riding bareback on Shergar up and down the concourse ramp than a foot of snow at the ground.

Probably,  but if the stand has failed a safety check due to that remote possibility it will still have to close

[Harry Lime]

Just get the snow to melt then by steam tracing although I understand we don't have a great record with boilers. Love to know what has changed though, regulations or structural integrity.

[mkowl]

4 minutes ago, Harry Lime said:

Just get the snow to melt then by steam tracing although I understand we don't have a great record with boilers. Love to know what has changed though, regulations or structural integrity.

Or the fact it's over 60 years old and whilst it was cutting edge at the time of construction perhaps it was never known how long it would last

[Andyben]

Be OK once I've built that new stadium...

[Harry Lime]

30 minutes ago, mkowl said:

Or the fact it's over 60 years old and whilst it was cutting edge at the time of construction perhaps it was never known how long it would last

The age is irrelevant really and I'd expect, due to better design, understanding and materials, that if anything it was over engineered at the time. Key is inspection and maintenance which I'm sure would fall into strict periodic assessment. I'm thinking BS with this one.

[Tylluan]

We're only structurally checked once a year, in pre season, in order to get the annual safety certificate. So we wouldn't have opened the North stand if had failed then. 

We have periodic checks through the season but they're only to check stewarding standards and paperwork.

If there's anything structurally wrong at this time of the season then we're the ones that have called it in. 

https://sgsa.org.uk/regulatory-support/safety-certification/safety-certificate-monitoring/

[Andyben]

Nevs 

[Paul from Wisewood]

Periodic checks clearly not bothered about the leaking roof then 

[Harry Lime]

17 minutes ago, Paul from Wisewood said:

Periodic checks clearly not bothered about the leaking roof then 

That would be a cause for concern if the roof is leaking as it will lead to CUI ( corrosion under insulation) whereas the water gets trapped in there and rots the structure. But they'll know all this and it should/will be checked I'm sure.

[mkowl]

I don't think this is new news, it was spouted on Stalk months ago and would have tied time wise to the results of the inspection.

Can't pretend to have a clue about structural engineering but presume these inspections have various colour flag warnings.

Clearly in the case of Birmingham those risks were sufficient to close down parts of the stadium until remediation work was done. 

I mean unless folk have seen that report or know someone who knows someone and it becomes Chinese whispers (are we allowed to say that). 

My conclusion on all this is that the stadium is nearing the end of its useful life, it would cost as much to rectify as build a new stadium

[Paul from Wisewood]

8 hours ago, Harry Lime said:

That would be a cause for concern if the roof is leaking as it will lead to CUI ( corrosion under insulation) whereas the water gets trapped in there and rots the structure. But they'll know all this and it should/will be checked I'm sure.

It’s definitely leaking

[Harry Lime]

6 hours ago, Paul from Wisewood said:

It’s definitely leaking

Just hope the water can drain and get away then.

[Wor-Jackie]

15 hours ago, Harry Lime said:

That would be a cause for concern if the roof is leaking as it will lead to CUI ( corrosion under insulation) whereas the water gets trapped in there and rots the structure. But they'll know all this and it should/will be checked I'm sure.

And the purpose of insulation in the North Stand roof would be???????

 

Edited December 9, 2024 by Wor-Jackie

[Andyben]

2 minutes ago, Wor-Jackie said:

And the purpose of insulation in the North Stand roof would be???????

 

Isn't the roof a single skin?

Sounds like them nevs/closet pigs stirring again... @Paul from Wisewood

[Reesh]

3 minutes ago, Wor-Jackie said:

And the purpose of insulation in the North Stand roof would be???????

 

Must never have sat in it....

[Wor-Jackie]

5 minutes ago, Reesh said:

Must never have sat in it....

I used to have a season ticket on there with my Dad for years pal (gangway J).

As AB alluded to above, it will more than likely be single skin and not insulated as there's no heated facilities below.

[Skamp]

[Reesh]

22 minutes ago, Wor-Jackie said:

I used to have a season ticket on there with my Dad for years pal (gangway J).

As AB alluded to above, it will more than likely be single skin and not insulated as there's no heated facilities below.

I meant Harry Lime.... 

[Harry Lime]

1 hour ago, Wor-Jackie said:

I used to have a season ticket on there with my Dad for years pal (gangway J).

As AB alluded to above, it will more than likely be single skin and not insulated as there's no heated facilities below.

I wouldn't know what's been used but a structure like that should be able to stand for centuries I'd have thought as long as all the steelwork connections are well ventilated, inspected and painted regularly, like the Forth Rail Bridge. Being a suspended roof i'd have thought that it is.  So, all in all, I reckon it's just a load of cobblers that some pig has dreamt up. Certainly hope so, £17m doesn't bare thinking about.

I'd love to see the old drawings though.

[holmesfield_owl]

6 minutes ago, Harry Lime said:

I wouldn't know what's been used but a structure like that should be able to stand for centuries I'd have thought as long as all the steelwork connections are well ventilated, inspected and painted regularly, like the Forth Rail Bridge. Being a suspended roof i'd have thought that it is.  So, all in all, I reckon it's just a load of cobblers that some pig has dreamt up. Certainly hope so, £17m doesn't bare thinking about.

I'd love to see the old drawings though.

17m.spunds like a right made up figure. If it were remotely true SAG would have had the stand closed down ages ago, they'd say there was a risk of snow in August given the chance!

[mkowl]

Be interesting what the expected life was.

Once we factor the fat lads bouncing that has probably knocked a few years off that life span

The older stand it replaced only lasted 60 years 

[Andyben]

3 minutes ago, mkowl said:

The older stand it replaced only lasted 60 years 

But that wasn't replaced for any reason other than size and the need to roof the stand.

[HoylandOwl]

The concourse has been the subject of much chatter for years now. It’s not wide enough to let enough folks out in an emergency etc etc, hence the capacity of it being limited and that and needed significant investment to change that.

That’s what Richard Stanmore who was running the safety side of things a number of years ago said. 

That’s not happened, so is it ‘falling to bits’ or still ‘in need of investment’? 

[Tylluan]

Being the first full pitch length cantilever stand is it listed? 

[mkowl]

8 hours ago, Tylluan said:

Being the first full pitch length cantilever stand is it listed? 

Shit are the foundations gone as well.

 

[Skamp]

13 hours ago, Tylluan said:

Being the first full pitch length cantilever stand is it listed? 

I don't think that it's 'remarkable' enough to attract any form of building status tbh.

[Harry Lime]

7 hours ago, mkowl said:

Shit are the foundations gone as well.

 

Funnily enough I was thinking about the foundations yesterday, Then I realised that there can't be anything in this cobblers or the Star, 1867, the trust and the other shite, I mean site would be continuously harping on about it and how DC should have checked them when he bought the club.

[Owling_Wolf]

On 09/12/2024 at 16:31, holmesfield_owl said:

17m.spunds like a right made up figure. If it were remotely true SAG would have had the stand closed down ages ago, they'd say there was a risk of snow in August given the chance!

Don't you show off your technical language around me, you. "spunds" indeed!    🤨