Will we send Cardiff back to South Wales with the blue(bird)s?

[mkowl]

Very frustrating 2nd half, there is not much pattern with our attacking play and on the odd occasion there is a decent cross, the player receiving it has a bad touch, does not connect. 

We always seem a moment away from conceding as well. 

I guess it just boils down to that lack of quality when it's needed

[Beaconowl]

Just now, mkowl said:

Very frustrating 2nd half, there is not much pattern with our attacking play and on the odd occasion there is a decent cross, the player receiving it has a bad touch, does not connect. 

We always seem a moment away from conceding as well. 

I guess it just boils down to that lack of quality when it's needed

16 shots but only 3 on target kind of backs you up 

[KrolMong]

We just lack quality centrally in the last third. Both in terms of creating and taking chances. Lots of runners, lots of quality in terms of getting it up the pitch. But when it gets there, we lack the nouse and imagination to get that final ball right, and when we do, we miss some horrific chances.

No amount of coaching is going to convert one of our strikers into someone who is going to get even 15 goals this season.

Should have won, created lots of chances, caused Cardiff lots of problems, but just don’t execute in the final third.

[DirtyOwl]

Disappointing result but shows where we are as a club. 

We aren’t a million miles off and 3/4 decent signings we’d look more like a playoff team

[owl4ever1867]

Far the better team this afternoon, unlucky not to win, I found it's a mixture of the final 3rd not being quite good enough, plus the bounce of the ball not going our way.

Thought Gassama was outstanding in the 1st half they couldn't handle him but a tactical switch which saw them double up on him made him go quiet and wasn't as effective, when this happens we need Rohl to chance it up quicker than he does, I would've stuck Musaba on 65/70 minutes with Pol who I thought was brilliant in his short cameo he came on, gave the Cardiff defence more to worry/think about.

It's another point (even though it should've been 3) let's face it we would've lost that last season.

Onwards & upwards, we'll be just fine.

[Teddy Nickelarse]

Frustrating. Agree with others in that we do ok until the final ball or finish that is all too often poor; be it technique, decision  making or indecisiveness. The latter especially with Ugbo who must be showing something in training as DR is certainly giving him chances.

[owl4ever1867]

2 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said:

Frustrating. Agree with others in that we do ok until the final ball or finish that is all too often poor; be it technique, decision  making or indecisiveness. The latter especially with Ugbo who must be showing something in training as DR is certainly giving him chances.

Ugbo gets his 1st league goal, his confidence will go through the roof, was very unlucky in the first 50 seconds with the offside goal.

[Teddy Nickelarse]

9 minutes ago, owl4ever1867 said:

Ugbo gets his 1st league goal, his confidence will go through the roof, was very unlucky in the first 50 seconds with the offside goal.

Hope you're right. Let's  hope his first one comes soon then!

[mkowl]

Whilst it is frustrating, I don't think we are any better or worse than 18 other teams in this division when it comes to the attacking side of the game 

[HoylandOwl]

 

[Otto_Man]

3 hours ago, Reesh said:

Captain Fantastic at it again.

Shite again today, overhit majority of his passes, didn't execute the press with everyone else and on at least 2 or 3 occasions the ball broke and he neshed it. But then did a back heel and the mongs all lap it up...

[DirtyOwl]

6 minutes ago, Otto_Man said:

Shite again today, overhit majority of his passes, didn't execute the press with everyone else and on at least 2 or 3 occasions the ball broke and he neshed it. But then did a back heel and the mongs all lap it up...

He was also back up to his old tricks taking the ball from the centre backs and just generally slowing the play down. 

Credit where it’s due though, he did play a few great balls over the top for Windass & Max Lowe I think it was. Again, making things happen further up the pitch and not playing deep 

[Hirstys 12th Pint]

A quick note on Max Lowe.  Thought decent again today and just efficiently goes about his business.

[Owling_Wolf]

9 hours ago, mkowl said:

Fair to say you gotta love Sky Sports + with weather like this.

I mean I look back and just think I was a fucking idiot travelling as I did. But them making the M1 such an awful journey and the arse ache of parking, plus fuck all to do at the stadium makes that decision easy.

 

 

Pah!  👀     Self flagellation is good for the character.  

[Reesh]

1 hour ago, Otto_Man said:

Shite again today, overhit majority of his passes, didn't execute the press with everyone else and on at least 2 or 3 occasions the ball broke and he neshed it. But then did a back heel and the mongs all lap it up...

He bottled the challenge that led to their goal as well.

Edited November 23 by Reesh

[Owling_Wolf]

5 hours ago, Tylluan said:

 

It's goalie when, as in goalie when needed

Rasp!   

[bradowl]

2 hours ago, mkowl said:

Whilst it is frustrating, I don't think we are any better or worse than 18 other teams in this division when it comes to the attacking side of the game 

Very little between most of teams in this league with most of them bang average. 

I don't think any team will run away with league like previous seasons and I don't think they will be anyone getting adrift down bottom like Rotherham did last season. 

We should have taken all 3 points today, missing chances cost us once again. 

 

 

[Owling_Wolf]

1 hour ago, DirtyOwl said:

He was also back up to his old tricks taking the ball from the centre backs and just generally slowing the play down. 

Credit where it’s due though, he did play a few great balls over the top for Windass & Max Lowe I think it was. Again, making things happen further up the pitch and not playing deep 

Baz drove me daft at times today, playing deeper than the CBs at times, then wondering why he didn't have a centre midfielder to pass to.  At one point both he and Windass were interspersed with the defence.

[Otto_Man]

17 minutes ago, Reesh said:

He bottled the challenge that led to their goal as well.

Yep, worst bit is, we could still be playing now and the ref wouldn't have booked anyone, so it was no lose to fly in...

Edited November 23 by Otto_Man

[Reesh]

22 minutes ago, Otto_Man said:

Yep, worst bit is, we could still be playing now and the ref wouldn't have booked anyone, so it was no lose to fly in...

They got a booking

[Skamp]

Am I seeing right on Facebook where there's a coach going past Hillsborough at full time with the pigs ladies team in it and fans are banging on the windows shouting 'die, die, piggy, pggy, die'?

Women's team and theyre banging on windows frightening them.

Those that did, hang your heads in shame.

Pigs or not.

[Andyben]

29 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said:

Baz drove me daft at times today, playing deeper than the CBs at times, then wondering why he didn't have a centre midfielder to pass to.  At one point both he and Windass were interspersed with the defence.

[Tylluan]

8 minutes ago, Skamp said:

Am I seeing right on Facebook where there's a coach going past Hillsborough at full time with the pigs ladies team in it and fans are banging on the windows shouting 'die, die, piggy, pggy, die'?

Women's team and theyre banging on windows frightening them.

Those that did, hang your heads in shame.

Pigs or not.

If it was them then God knows what they were doing in Hillsborough. They play tomorrow in Durham and their u21s were at Stockport 

[TheExile]

Even Johnson’s crossing was poor today but what really topped it was when Jamal Lowe came on and attempted a cross so over hit it went for a throw.

Best bet was Valentin getting to the byline but we only tried that once 

[Skamp]

15 minutes ago, Tylluan said:

If it was them then God knows what they were doing in Hillsborough. They play tomorrow in Durham and their u21s were at Stockport 

[mkowl]

57 minutes ago, Skamp said:

Am I seeing right on Facebook where there's a coach going past Hillsborough at full time with the pigs ladies team in it and fans are banging on the windows shouting 'die, die, piggy, pggy, die'?

Women's team and theyre banging on windows frightening them.

Those that did, hang your heads in shame.

Pigs or not.

Perhaps we should learn from our neighbours and just dismiss actions as a bit of banter

[Teddy Nickelarse]

2 hours ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said:

A quick note on Max Lowe.  Thought decent again today and just efficiently goes about his business.

Yes he's looking like a good acquisition now that he's settled in.

[HoylandOwl]

Lowe, M. And Bernard I thought were good today. Charles gave the ball away more than I think I’ve ever seen him do, and as already mentioned, our number 10 wasn’t sparkling.

The conditions weren’t good, but we just never really got going. They were awful, save for their centre back, forget his name but was number 4, I thought he was excellent. He didn’t miss a header all game, and read most things very well too. 

It’s a point on the board, a game that won’t live long in the memory. 

[mkowl]

2 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

Lowe, M. And Bernard I thought were good today. Charles gave the ball away more than I think I’ve ever seen him do, and as already mentioned, our number 10 wasn’t sparkling.

The conditions weren’t good, but we just never really got going. They were awful, save for their centre back, forget his name but was number 4, I thought he was excellent. He didn’t miss a header all game, and read most things very well too. 

It’s a point on the board, a game that won’t live long in the memory. 

Agree on Charles today, but he is young and the good news is if the Arsenal scouts were there the notes would have said "not yet".

Bannan was being fellated by the Sky commentator though. The number of times the simple option is not taken.

The first half was better but we lose direction, impetus and composure during the 2nd half, we even almost contrived to give another goal away at the start.

This is where Rohl is still learning for me. We may switch formations and players but it's rarely game changing 

[HoylandOwl]

I thought Musaba made a difference when he came on, was unpredictable, direct, and almost scored a winner With what seemed like our only shot on target in the second half. 

[owl71]

Personally I don’t think Röhl had his best day.  We started with Smith and then didn’t use him when the defence were under pressure, kept playing out and then giving him balls on the ground down the channels to chase.  Gassema was playing what position exactly?  He kept drifting inside and even when he did stay on the right, was usually a long way ahead of Valery.  First 25 minutes of the second half was very disappointing.  The subs should have happened earlier.  Pol made an immediate impact, we just looked better balanced and had someone attacking the byline.  Last few minutes, after we’d taken Smith off, we started going back to front a bit more.  🤷

[Tylluan]

1 hour ago, mkowl said:

Agree on Charles today, but he is young and the good news is if the Arsenal scouts were there the notes would have said "not yet".

Bannan was being fellated by the Sky commentator though. The number of times the simple option is not taken.

Mate who went said the way Bannan played today he made Charles look like Pelupessy. 

[HoylandOwl]

22 minutes ago, Tylluan said:

Mate who went said the way Bannan played today he made Charles look like Pelupessy. 

They were as bad as each other unfortunately today. 

[Harry Lime]

They were there for the taking today and should really have been dispatched. Charles wasn't at his best, looked to lack defensive nous  for their goal which surely wouldn't have happened if Iorfa was on the pitch.

Looked good after the subs but thought they were a little late. Bannan did OK, but so he should against bottom half teams, the others have him sussed now I reckon. Be interesting to see what happens come the summer. Marv wasn't at it, Windass was angry when taken off and Jock commentators piss me off and talk shite. Pol looked great, Paterson you shithouse you 😂. Did I hear Olaf is nigh on fit again? Great to see Musaba look lively when he came on, still wouldn't start him though.

All in all, Smith and Ugbo have to start scoring soon don't they? Need a shake up in the strikers division. It just isn't happening for them. Having said that, thought Ugbo was more visible at least. Oh well.

[MAL]

4 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

They were as bad as each other unfortunately today. 

But maybe that was because he was all alone, all he could do was go Sideways or backwards because Bannan was a centre back. 

[Teddy Nickelarse]

6 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

They were as bad as each other unfortunately today. 

Johnson has been excellent this season but today he was poor, most noticeably his passing. Charles' not much better in terms of misplaced passes. 

[Teddy Nickelarse]

8 minutes ago, MAL said:

But maybe that was because he was all alone, all he could do was go Sideways or backwards because Bannan was a centre back. 

It was his passing to Cardiff players that was his problem today. Today not his day.

[Paul from Wisewood]

3 hours ago, Skamp said:

Am I seeing right on Facebook where there's a coach going past Hillsborough at full time with the pigs ladies team in it and fans are banging on the windows shouting 'die, die, piggy, pggy, die'?

Women's team and theyre banging on windows frightening them.

Those that did, hang your heads in shame.

Pigs or not.

That’s what will go in the star, in reality it was one bloke singing whilst pointing at the driver 

[Theman]

As others have said, the quality in the final third is missing, but, my son, an aspiring coach tells me, it will come 👍

[KrolMong]

Let’s be clear, Bannan stepping between the centre halves is 100000% off the training ground and is a standard thing in Europe. The basic principles are, at least in our system, are to get both full backs up the pitch at the same time, and get us playing through the lines. Bannan steps in, Lowe inverts, Johnson pushes on…

To give you an idea how well it worked, they completely changed shape after 65 minutes to STOP Bannan getting it through the lines, they went with a five man midfield and completely plugged the middle of the park.

I actually thought Bannan and Charles ran the show yesterday and it was actually those ahead of them who let us down today (although both were poor for the goal). You want your two midfield players getting good service into the forwards and wide players. That’s exactly what they did.

[HoylandOwl]

10 hours ago, Teddy Nickelarse said:

Johnson has been excellent this season but today he was poor, most noticeably his passing. Charles' not much better in terms of misplaced passes. 

Johnson has been excellent, absolutely. I wouldn’t and couldn’t deny that even if I wanted to. 

[mkowl]

1 hour ago, KrolMong said:

Let’s be clear, Bannan stepping between the centre halves is 100000% off the training ground and is a standard thing in Europe. The basic principles are, at least in our system, are to get both full backs up the pitch at the same time, and get us playing through the lines. Bannan steps in, Lowe inverts, Johnson pushes on…

To give you an idea how well it worked, they completely changed shape after 65 minutes to STOP Bannan getting it through the lines, they went with a five man midfield and completely plugged the middle of the park.

I actually thought Bannan and Charles ran the show yesterday and it was actually those ahead of them who let us down today (although both were poor for the goal). You want your two midfield players getting good service into the forwards and wide players. That’s exactly what they did.

I think that is where watching at the stadium and watching the TV pictures gives you a different perspective. So whilst Bannan and Charles were not at their best they did control the game and I agree I thought it was a lack of quality from the strikers.

Smith is becoming the Adthe of this squad, much more effective as a sub than starting. 

Gassama, if they double up then there should be space elsewhere.

Ugbo is simply out of form.

I did think removing Windass was an error, I mean he does drift out of games but he does offer potential quality in the midfield area. 

[Teddy Nickelarse]

2 hours ago, HoylandOwl said:

Johnson has been excellent, absolutely. I wouldn’t and couldn’t deny that even if I wanted to. 

Not yesterday though.

[Teddy Nickelarse]

1 hour ago, mkowl said:

I think that is where watching at the stadium and watching the TV pictures gives you a different perspective. So whilst Bannan and Charles were not at their best they did control the game and I agree I thought it was a lack of quality from the strikers.

Smith is becoming the Adthe of this squad, much more effective as a sub than starting. 

Gassama, if they double up then there should be space elsewhere.

Ugbo is simply out of form.

I did think removing Windass was an error, I mean he does drift out of games but he does offer potential quality in the midfield area. 

Succinct and accurate summary - IMO Agree too about perspectives. For me, whilst you can't beat the 'at the game' experience there's no doubt that from an analysis  point of view, TV watching trumps it. 

[Owling_Wolf]

19 hours ago, Andyben said:

Bloody hell, Bendy!  You've been U.S. president all along?   😮

[holmesfield_owl]

On 23/11/2024 at 16:58, Otto_Man said:

Shite again today, overhit majority of his passes, didn't execute the press with everyone else and on at least 2 or 3 occasions the ball broke and he neshed it. But then did a back heel and the mongs all lap it up...

I'm not not bannans biggest fan but that paragraph is absolute bullshit 

[bradowl]

I've seen loads of posts and comments on social media questioning Rohl's tactics and some saying that we was poor yesterday, I didn't think we were poor at all. 

Like Rohl's frequently said, we're slowly improving and I agree with him, massive improvements won't happen overnight and a mid table finish would be progress on last season. 

I'm sure some supporters want and expect us to be challenging top 6 but I'm afraid that is very unlikely this season. 

For a reality check the moaners need to rewind exactly 12 months to see where we were at this stage last season. 

 

[Otto_Man]

42 minutes ago, holmesfield_owl said:

I'm not not bannans biggest fan but that paragraph is absolute bullshit 

So he didn't overhit passes, he executed the press when everyone else did and neshed no challenges?

Edited November 24 by Otto_Man

[mkowl]

1 hour ago, bradowl said:

I've seen loads of posts and comments on social media questioning Rohl's tactics and some saying that we was poor yesterday, I didn't think we were poor at all. 

Like Rohl's frequently said, we're slowly improving and I agree with him, massive improvements won't happen overnight and a mid table finish would be progress on last season. 

I'm sure some supporters want and expect us to be challenging top 6 but I'm afraid that is very unlikely this season. 

For a reality check the moaners need to rewind exactly 12 months to see where we were at this stage last season. 

 

I think the frustration is the inability to turn these games into wins. That you need to do that because it's a division you can lose 3 on the bounce quite easily. Plus outside the very top of the league it is a very even quality. 

I think he could improve on the subs and switch ups. The 2nd half does tend to drift. 

But I suggested that our position will be 12th to 16th and that seems not far off really 

[Otto_Man]

The only issue with the tactics is that some of the players aren't good enough to execute them...