Embargo

[Chelters]

I know I tried to brush the result off a bit on the other thread but I genuinely think that these kind of things can happen from time to time and you just have to take it on the chin. Yes you shouldn’t concede six at home and yes the coaching team need to get stuck into it but it’s not like we have been playing like that consistently.

I can understand why people might put two and two together, it’s an unfortunate coincidence that it coincided with the embargo. But the embargo doesn’t give two penalties against us at a crucial time in the game that completely pulls the rug from under us. Can see why both are given but when you’re on a run of nearly 70 games without one it’s a real kick in the teeth. 

[mkowl]

42 minutes ago, Chelters said:

I know I tried to brush the result off a bit on the other thread but I genuinely think that these kind of things can happen from time to time and you just have to take it on the chin. Yes you shouldn’t concede six at home and yes the coaching team need to get stuck into it but it’s not like we have been playing like that consistently.

I can understand why people might put two and two together, it’s an unfortunate coincidence that it coincided with the embargo. But the embargo doesn’t give two penalties against us at a crucial time in the game that completely pulls the rug from under us. Can see why both are given but when you’re on a run of nearly 70 games without one it’s a real kick in the teeth. 

I am sure it was coincidence, but there is something about this time of the year where off the field matters seem to grip and impact on the field performances.

The season where covid happened - the drop off with all the points deduction shite as an example.

I guess I am just fatigued by the self inflicted wounds. This may be a storm in a teacup, but how long before the kettle is back on. 

 

[Billysboy]

1 hour ago, Chelters said:

I know I tried to brush the result off a bit on the other thread but I genuinely think that these kind of things can happen from time to time and you just have to take it on the chin. Yes you shouldn’t concede six at home and yes the coaching team need to get stuck into it but it’s not like we have been playing like that consistently.

I can understand why people might put two and two together, it’s an unfortunate coincidence that it coincided with the embargo. But the embargo doesn’t give two penalties against us at a crucial time in the game that completely pulls the rug from under us. Can see why both are given but when you’re on a run of nearly 70 games without one it’s a real kick in the teeth. 

Didnt we get a couple of pastings the year we qualified for Europe, any one remember?

[mkowl]

29 minutes ago, Billysboy said:

Didnt we get a couple of pastings the year we qualified for Europe, any one remember?

I mean it happens and it didn't go down well at the time. We just didn't have the Internet then to moan like fuck about it, just our mates down the pub. But we did moan like fuck. 

[fOWLmouth]

1 hour ago, mkowl said:

I am sure it was coincidence, but there is something about this time of the year where off the field matters seem to grip and impact on the field performances.

The season where covid happened - the drop off with all the points deduction shite as an example.

I guess I am just fatigued by the self inflicted wounds. This may be a storm in a teacup, but how long before the kettle is back on. 

 

Come on,how can off field matters affect the wildly different performance we saw yesterday either side of the break.Or,perhaps the players only received half their salary this month and decided to play for 45 minutes and then pack in.

Besides,you mentioned in the match day thread how we’ve started a second half badly a couple of times this season and lost any momentum we had.How does that tie in with off field issues?

[Chelters]

1 hour ago, Billysboy said:

Didnt we get a couple of pastings the year we qualified for Europe, any one remember?

Yep lost 6-1 to Leeds and 7-1 to Arsenal that season. We’ve always had it in us. 

[owl71]

The embargo is still in place as per the EFL web site.  As we won convincingly on Tuesday night with this unresolved I think we can conclude it had no bearing on the individual error littered second half against Watford.  We just have a youngish squad that is capable of some atrocious days.

It’s a little disappointing that it’s not been resolved yet, but not really a cause for concern.  Given that Chansiri was here a few weeks ago to discuss, amongst other things, the January transfer business, it is safe to conclude that this is just a temporary cash flow issue.  It does give an insight into where we are.  Chansiri can afford to put just enough in to keep us competitive in the Championship, and his plan is to keep doing that, in the hope that sooner or later we have that one great season where the stars are aligned.  It’s not perfect, but we’ve endured enough total shit as a fan base to have learned patience. 

[mkowl]

Taking the short term issue out of this, my view is that as Owl 71 says Chansiri has the resource to keep us reasonably steady, certainly needs a decent coach alongside it, bit of focus on the development side where upfront costs hopefully subsidise the future.

But by himself I don't think Chansiri can take us much further. Whether he accepts that - probably not. Would he accept a financial haircut to depart now - probably not. 

But if you get to the Premier League do you really get your money back, Everton being a prime example.

The danger is those cash flow issues don't recede and you end up doing a fire sale of sorts. 

[Andyben]

9 minutes ago, mkowl said:

But if you get to the Premier League do you really get your money back, Everton being a prime example.

Everton's problem is that their owner (the real one and not his driver) is a sanctioned individual so the cash dried up at a time when they'd committed to new stadium and were pushing to get into the top 6/8 on a consistent basis (and they didn't get to the PL - the PL came to them...). 

So they've had to take out massive loans to try and keep afloat.

Look at Brentford, Forest, Brighton, Fulham etc as examples of how to invest and survive as a PL newcomer

[Reesh]

1 hour ago, Andyben said:

Everton's problem is that their owner (the real one and not his driver) is a sanctioned individual so the cash dried up at a time when they'd committed to new stadium and were pushing to get into the top 6/8 on a consistent basis (and they didn't get to the PL - the PL came to them...). 

So they've had to take out massive loans to try and keep afloat.

Look at Brentford, Forest, Brighton, Fulham etc as examples of how to invest and survive as a PL newcomer

Go into admin?

[mkowl]

3 hours ago, Andyben said:

Everton's problem is that their owner (the real one and not his driver) is a sanctioned individual so the cash dried up at a time when they'd committed to new stadium and were pushing to get into the top 6/8 on a consistent basis (and they didn't get to the PL - the PL came to them...). 

So they've had to take out massive loans to try and keep afloat.

Look at Brentford, Forest, Brighton, Fulham etc as examples of how to invest and survive as a PL newcomer

The question there does Chansiri have the cash to do that ? 

Perhaps I can accept it would be easier to raise the cash - even privately - with the collateral of the TV monies. I just don;t think he has deep enough pockets to now get us to the Premier League and with the foundations a bit firmer at S6 is it a good time for him to Exit ? 

[Reesh]

18 minutes ago, mkowl said:

The question there does Chansiri have the cash to do that ? 

Perhaps I can accept it would be easier to raise the cash - even privately - with the collateral of the TV monies. I just don;t think he has deep enough pockets to now get us to the Premier League and with the foundations a bit firmer at S6 is it a good time for him to Exit ? 

But who buys him out? That is the most pertinent question of the lot, don't see many banging down the door aside from chancers and tyre kickers.

[Tylluan]

13 minutes ago, mkowl said:

I just don;t think he has deep enough pockets to now get us to the Premier League and with the foundations a bit firmer at S6 is it a good time for him to Exit ? 

It might be as good a time as any but who would he sell to?

Poundland has been trying to sell that club since the moment he realised he'd been stitched up by McCabe. I know they're carrying enough debt to fill Bramall Lane but that can always be restructured. But they're only attracting complete chancers like when Alonso came sniffing round us. 

We're debt 'free' and established with a fantastic coaching set up and a large fanbase that we're almost showroom condition but any kosher investors with proper money seem to be buying clubs a lot lower down then spending their way out of the divisions. 

[mkowl]

2 hours ago, Reesh said:

But who buys him out? That is the most pertinent question of the lot, don't see many banging down the door aside from chancers and tyre kickers.

It is a pertinent question, but perhaps you have to really want to do it and engage with the process. I know from a couple of people that it has not been the case and these are people who are not bullshitters 

[Hirstys 12th Pint]

My concern with the longevity of Chansiri's reign and funding approach is as much around the lack of infrastructure spending as much as the playing side. 

The Stadium albeit I love it and would not want to move is becoming run down and think some big expenditure will be required at some point and is this something Chansiri would commit to ? 

[Reesh]

13 minutes ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said:

My concern with the longevity of Chansiri's reign and funding approach is as much around the lack of infrastructure spending as much as the playing side. 

The Stadium albeit I love it and would not want to move is becoming run down and think some big expenditure will be required at some point and is this something Chansiri would commit to ? 

He's spent more of his own money on the infrastructure than any previous chairman 

[Teddy Nickelarse]

3 minutes ago, Reesh said:

He's spent more of his own money on the infrastructure than any previous chairman 

Certainly more than the often revered Mandaric or the despised Allen. 

He is treading a more prudent path now - quite rightly IMO - but will folk have the patience to wait until we start making serious profits from the sale of some of our younger players? Will there be fan uproar at selling the crown jewels? - very likely yes. Would the majority accept ramped up investment in infrastructure? Nope, the noise would inevitably be about not blowing it all plus another 50% on new players.

You have to laugh, ironically, at the same people who panned his early profligacy that are now the most repetitive 'not got a pot to piss in' mud slingers because of his latterly more sustainable approach.

[mkowl]

Anyway it appears one of our fans has been captured asking Where is Baldock

Fucking idiot

It's between Jn 9 and 10 off the A1, 

[Hirstys 12th Pint]

53 minutes ago, mkowl said:

Anyway it appears one of our fans has been captured asking Where is Baldock

Fucking idiot

It's between Jn 9 and 10 off the A1, 

Thought he was a Blackadder fan asking where Baldrick was.  If only Danny had a cunning plan to use Pato.

[Teddy Nickelarse]

Joe Crann reporting that HMRC bill settled and that the embargo will be lifted imminently. 

This will be a great disappointment  to some.

 

Edited November 14 by Teddy Nickelarse
Link added

[Reesh]

27 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said:

Joe Crann reporting that HMRC bill settled and that the embargo will be lifted imminently. 

This will be a great disappointment  to some.

 

Yesterday there was an article on the Star website painting a bleak picture if the hmrc cash wasn't paid....

[Teddy Nickelarse]

14 minutes ago, Reesh said:

Yesterday there was an article on the Star website painting a bleak picture if the hmrc cash wasn't paid....

Thanks for that, I hadn't seen it. Yes it would have been bleak if it hadn't  been paid before the end of the month. 

 

[Billysboy]

20 minutes ago, Reesh said:

Yesterday there was an article on the Star website painting a bleak picture if the hmrc cash wasn't paid....

Saw that, they'll be sick as fuck now especially as pigs takeover has hit another snag.

[Reesh]

6 minutes ago, Billysboy said:

Saw that, they'll be sick as fuck now especially as pigs takeover has hit another snag.

HRH will be hoping the snags keep coming if they keep up the chase for promotion but if they fuck it up they'll be in a pinch.

[Andyben]

4 minutes ago, Reesh said:

HRH will be hoping the snags keep coming if they keep up the chase for promotion but if they fuck it up they'll be in a pinch.

Probably better vakue me buying them and folding the club.

 

[mkowl]

2 hours ago, Reesh said:

Yesterday there was an article on the Star website painting a bleak picture if the hmrc cash wasn't paid....

The rule out of interest is being 30 days late over a 12 month rolling period, could invoke the 3 window ban (but you can appeal) 

So good news it is paid but can't afford any more blips, though with season ticket renewals to come then cash flow should pick up. Not really sure when the Sky monies are actually paid over the course of a season 

 

[Tylluan]

6 hours ago, Billysboy said:

Saw that, they'll be sick as fuck now especially as pigs takeover has hit another snag.

 

6 hours ago, Reesh said:

HRH will be hoping the snags keep coming if they keep up the chase for promotion but if they fuck it up they'll be in a pinch.

Don't how true this is but was told on Monday that the next payment to Macquarie is due in February.

If true, could it mean a few players out the door in January or another restructure of the loan in the hope of promotion 

[HoylandOwl]

Just glad it’s all been sorted now, as it was expected to be

[mkowl]

Many of the posters on Stalk seem genuinely upset the HMRC bill was paid.

The last part of their current thread still gives glowing credit to the Mandaric era. I do get it to an extent, because we were in a total mess.

However the glossing over of several aspects of his reign, namely the lack of spending on infrastructure, the 3rd party loans from interesting sources, the non transparency of the ownership etc. I lose track when the game was that was postponed due to a frozen pipe. We forget the pitch was awful. 

The Chansiri era still represents a missed chance and the lurking doubt the next crisis is just round the corner. 

But for me nothing has changed in that regard since the mid 90s. I actually begin to doubt whether it will ever happen in the next 20 years.

We live in some false hope that someone out there sees the history, the tradition, the fan base and with a bit of money and some decent business skills could see and seize that opportunity. We have said that for 25 years whilst teams whizz past us.

The next stage we can only guess at, but the reality will probably be a continuation of that 25 year rut

[Owling_Wolf]

7 hours ago, mkowl said:

Many of the posters on Stalk seem genuinely upset the HMRC bill was paid.

The last part of their current thread still gives glowing credit to the Mandaric era. I do get it to an extent, because we were in a total mess.

However the glossing over of several aspects of his reign, namely the lack of spending on infrastructure, the 3rd party loans from interesting sources, the non transparency of the ownership etc. I lose track when the game was that was postponed due to a frozen pipe. We forget the pitch was awful. 

The Chansiri era still represents a missed chance and the lurking doubt the next crisis is just round the corner. 

But for me nothing has changed in that regard since the mid 90s. I actually begin to doubt whether it will ever happen in the next 20 years.

We live in some false hope that someone out there sees the history, the tradition, the fan base and with a bit of money and some decent business skills could see and seize that opportunity. We have said that for 25 years whilst teams whizz past us.

The next stage we can only guess at, but the reality will probably be a continuation of that 25 year rut

If one thing we've to base our hope on is the fan base, god help us, what with all the stories in the press & media based upon various semi-regular, grotesque 'happenings' by individuals in that fan base!   Not to mention the noisy campaign against the owner last season.  

[HoylandOwl]

Viva La tennis balls. 
or summat. 

[Harry Lime]

3 hours ago, Owling_Wolf said:

Not to mention the noisy campaign against the owner last season.  

Quite. If you didn't know any better you'd think it was being done on purpose to deter any potential buyers or investors. The plan being is to get rid of the current owner, get a newbie in and if he doesn't comply with the thoughts and wishes of the rebellious element they'll just do the same to him.